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Players and coaching staff to be paid;
'Yes agree they do need to be paid from somewhere'

rent to be paid to the host club;
'From all accounts this has been done already so no more need at present'

away match travel;
'not when players drive themselves - no expences paid'

insurances;
'covered with affiliation fees'

kit and equipment purchase
'minimal cost throughout the season'

cleaning and replacement;
'kit washing about £8 a kit, but could be shared around and done for nothing by supporters or even the managers misses'

affiliation and entry fees, players registrations etc;
'all paid at the start of the season'

non-football staff wages (if applicable);
'very low, ball boys ect'

police costs;
'what when the crowd is only 35'

There is no income from the bar or burger stand,
'agree'

and on attendances like that the programme can't make a profit unless it's a photocopied A4 sheet!
'programme costs should have been accounted for at the start of the season when the advertising was sold, it should be possable to print a 40 page programme and make a profit on the sales of 40'

35 x 8 was 280 when I was at school, it may have changed since of course!
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£8 to watch a game at that level is ridiculous and is,I'm sure, a contributory factor in the low attendances. I think it was £4 to watch Eton Manor V Enfield Town yesterday at just one league lower...and I only paid £15 to watch Fulham V Liverpool in the Premiership.

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I think you will find there is little choise when it comes to Attendance prices in the Ryman League as they have a minimum price level for their division that club must stick to.

This is £6.00 for Division One North.

Cheshunt had to increase there price from £4.00 to that this season a 50% increase.

I agree the high price may well be keeping supporters away but I doubt it is in any large numbers to make a differance, the price was £7.00 I think last season, so putting in up a quid could be looked at as exceptable.
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But how can you justify putting up the price even by £1 when you are playing at a lower level this season?

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I think you will find there is little choise when it comes to Attendance prices in the Ryman League as they have a minimum price level for their division that club must stick to.

This is £6.00 for Division One North.




How can their be little choice......how about this...£6.00,£6.50,£7.00,£7.50. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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come on...

1) we have no right to have a go about what another club charges unless it affects us.

2) what would you do in their position. The only people who are going are the fnas who would probably pay a lot more than that to try and keep the club going. We all contribute to ETFC. They dont have alot of other options to raise money.

3) Let it lie. there is no point in this constant carping (from either side). Its done - move on

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I wasn't carping, I tried to make that clear. I was genuinely interested in the finances of a senior football club in a general sense, and as I understand that Freebird has some knowledge of the subject through his involvement in several clubs, I intended to be chatting amicably with him on the subject. I trust my comments were taken in that spirit.

He has clarified that he has taken into account the fact that a number of large expenses have already been paid and he was looking at the rest of the season: I was thinking of the season as a whole. But therefore, these figures only stack up for this season and demonstrate that you can't get by on a gate of 35 without additional income.

Freebird I still feel you're a bit optimistic on a couple of points - equipment surely involves more than kit washing. Balls (match and training), training kits, bibs and things, cones and those little round things, practice goals, all sorts of things. These have to be maintained, cleaned, replaced, insured and so on. How economic is a print run of 50 programmes? It's not just a tenth of 500 programmes!

Well ok you won't have any/many police costs - unless you get a home cup draw against someone considered nasty!

But the set up you described is not really that of a senior club,and surely could not be sustained for long.

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I wasn't carping, I tried to make that clear. I was genuinely interested in the finances of a senior football club in a general sense, and as I understand that Freebird has some knowledge of the subject through his involvement in several clubs, I intended to be chatting amicably with him on the subject. I trust my comments were taken in that spirit.

That was the some from this end it makes a change to have a coverstaion on he and me not get slagged of after a few posts.

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[b][i]Freebird I still feel you're a bit optimistic on a couple of points - equipment surely involves more than kit washing. Balls (match and training), training kits, bibs and things, cones and those little round things, practice goals, all sorts of things. These have to be maintained, cleaned, replaced, insured and so on. How economic is a print run of 50 programmes? It's not just a tenth of 500 programmes!

Well ok you won't have any/many police costs - unless you get a home cup draw against someone considered nasty!

But the set up you described is not really that of a senior club,and surely could not be sustained for long.

Most of the other kit you mention can last a club a season if it is looked after, Balls washed after games and stored will last most of the season, all the other stuff the same they are all designed to last knowing what they are being used for.

My sunday side has Footballs 3 years old, kit 2 years old and bibbs and cones from over 5 years, Goals noet 10 years old and the same with corner flags.

Medical kit is the only thing that really need changing on a regular basis. I cannot comment of the age of all the stuff a Cheshunt but some seem to be over two years old.

As for programmes if you have seen an EFC programme this season they are not like ETFC ones on glossy paper they are photocopied on a good ccopier and inside a pre printed cover.

This type of printing could be as low as 0.5p a copy so printing a 40 page programme which is
10 A4 double sides = 20 copies
= 10p pre intert
cover overprinted = 2p
so approx 12p per programme
printer adds approx 50p to 60p a copy as he is typing and printing and the final cost comes out around 70p to 75p you then sell the programme for £1.50p
making 75p profit. rough calculations but not far out from experiance.

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Freebird.....When we all used to watch EFC in the glory days of winning Alliance(conference) championships and winning f.A throphies.

Could you or I imagine that we would be talking about the club,as we have done on this thread.... being run,as a sunday league team would be.

I believe the people that have contributed to decimation of Britains finest non-league team,should forever hold thier heads in shame.

Thats not just Lazarou(although he is the main culprit)......I'm talking about,Enfield council and individual councilers...government officials....Lazarou's cronies...the F.A....Laing Homes....Saracens...Jose O'ware...etc.

The whole bloody lot of them have contributed to the clubs downfall.

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Totally Agree

and over the next few days, I belive things will change for the best for ever.



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Look like Freebird was right, things are looking up for Enfield, FC

New Managment
New People Running the Club
TL on his way out ?



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yeah, your merging with Barnet, right?

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Where did you get that idea we hate them more than YOU

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glad to see things have improved.....

like your esults right!

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I don't think anybody should be taking the mike about the demise of EFC. This was a team I supported for nearly 20 years. Most of which were good years. I see no pleasure in the club present state. Although I hope it isn't the case I struggle to see how the last few remaining supporters can keep the club going. Where is the money going to come from ? Does Tony Laz still have some sort of involvement ?

Any answers ? Good luck anyway.

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i still only managed to cheer against the old club once,that was when we beat them,and would rather now just keep a distance from them as our old friends at the club try to build a future.it will be hard for the few but hopefuly worthwhile in the end.

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Sheargar - there is no money, no future, no hope. A history that is fading along with the cotten mills, mining and the scottish national team.

yes we have all been there and supported EFC; some of us have woken up smelt the coffee and moved on...

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>>Freebird

When you suggest that a senior football club can run on an average gate of 35 for home fixtures you surely jest.

That is around £6500 a year or, if you prefer, a season. When you suggest that the club do not even pay expenses for the players you are truly playing in the Corinthian spirit. You will have no players on contract so will have difficulty knowing who is in the side and has not gone to another club.

The last two clubs, to my knowledge, that function in such a manor are Corinthian Casuals and Clapton. Now what league are they in?

If EFC is to run as an amateur club then it will die as it does not have a tradition of amateurism.

This is not a dig this is just a realistic appraisal of the situation that EFC finds itself in.

I suggest you devote that £6500 to advertising for someone to buy the club.

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Average gate of 35. Cobblers. Only 1 or 2 games this season have had an attendance that low.

And there are people putting money into the club, and the players are being paid.

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Average gate is 53 which means income is about £500 per home game. Can't be easy to balance the books.




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