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I'm talking about the lack of willingness of EFC fans to talk about their club on THEIR forum.

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As for the other lot, they seem to be getting a little bit hysterical at the thought of the real Enfield FC starting to recover.


With the greatest of respect, a recovery is out of the question even with Lazarou out of the picture. It's too far down the road for that.

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"Isn't the statement: 'I believe the wait is nearly over'. the biggest IF BUT and MAYBE you can get." Not to anybody with an ounce of sense, its not, Lovely Stuff.
"Oh....what a relief WE don't have to put up with that type of bulls**t anymore." This is very true, Lovely Stuff, so why are you getting yourself so upset about Enfield FC business. There have been some really nice postings on this Forum, wishing Enfield well with whatever happens now, but you are continuing to try to stir things up. Southport has said that the new management team has been named on other forums, you yourself have put it on this forum earlier, and Syrup has said look in the local press today. What is your problem?

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As for the other lot, they seem to be getting a little bit hysterical at the thought of the real Enfield FC starting to recover.


With the greatest of respect, a recovery is out of the question even with Lazarou out of the picture. It's too far down the road for that.
[color:"blue"]Oh, so you have decided its out of the question, for Enfield to recover, have you. God help ETFC when they get in any sort of trouble, with pessimists like you about. One loss on their forum and look how the rose tinted glasses have come off. Even if EFC did'nt recover, which I happen to think it will, then at least the people who are trying to save it, can hold their heads up high. They will have tried their best. Even with the winging and bitching of others who it has nothing to do with. Then the wingers would be here with their crocodile tears, bleating about how they are sorry it happened. I can't understand why the nasty postings are still continuing. Before it was "Oh, if TL was not there, we would be happy for Enfield." Maybe it has been promised before, it may or may not be different this time. All we can do is wait and hope, so why carry on attacking the people who are trying to get somewhere. Is'nt it about time all this bitterness stopped. [/color]

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Hollie - u seem to be the one with a problem.
We live in the boro' and like football, so only naturally we make comments.

Whether EFC fade and die or survive, after the attitude of u and ur buddies, I don't give a flying fig, but it doesn't stop me taking an interest, and despite FB's best attempts at introducing a fascist state, freedom of speech still exists

you really need to calm down.

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POWER TO THE SOUTHPORT!

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I think the problem is we remember how great the club once was......How respected and feared the club was over the last 30,40,50 years....and how proud we were to be supporters of it.

Over the last five years,every bit of respect the club had,has been eroded with awful results,demotion,joke attendances,Managers and players wearing the EFC badge that had no right to be associated with the great players and managers of the past.

To me and the vast majority of people,Enfield F.C
died the day the club left southbury Rd.

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I think the problem is we remember how great the club once was......How respected and feared the club was over the last 30,40,50 years....and how proud we were to be supporters of it.

Over the last five years,every bit of respect the club had,has been eroded with awful results,demotion,joke attendances,Managers and players wearing the EFC badge that had no right to be associated with the great players and managers of the past.

To me and the vast majority of people,Enfield F.C
died the day the club left southbury Rd.


I fully agree except for your final comment. There was still SOME hope for a short time after the club left Southbury Road. However the constant lies and broken promises that we experienced whilst ground-sharing simply became too much. It was assumed that the fans would put up with this indefinately but we have proved this not to be the case. The formation of ETFC showed just how strong supporters power can be. I admit the 'break-away' was a hard decision to make but, looking at was has happened since, was definately the right one.

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As far as I can see this is just delaying the inevitable, please tell me if I'm wrong.

So, the fans have taken/are taking over. Unless they are ridiculously wealthy and don't mind throwing alot of money away, how are they going to support the club in the long term?

Obviously the aim would be to get EFC back playing in the borough. This simply can't happen in the foreseeable future with there being no ground available. So, surely they've got to stay at borehamwood - how can this be financed next season?

Maybe EFC could drop out of the Ryman and play at Haringey, but there's certainly no long term solution there.

Unfortunately I agree with Neil. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems to be too late to save EFC. I will be impressed if they see out the season, and if they do they've already lost half their team and look set for relegation. Furthermore, there is realistically only room for one 'Enfield' football team in the borough. ETFC have filled this void.

Hollie, your ignorance seems to know no bounds. It's like trying to reason with a brick wall. ETFC have nothing to fear from EFC and why would we be bitter? Just because your son plays for the reserves or whatever you seem to think you have more of a right to pass opinion than those of us who spent many years following the club up and down the country. Likewise, we have no more right than you! This is a forum where anyone can add an opinion.

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Well put Gonzo, I must say. The voice of reason. <img src="/images/graemlins/top.gif" alt="" />

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As far as I can see this is just delaying the inevitable, please tell me if I'm wrong.

So, the fans have taken/are taking over. Unless they are ridiculously wealthy and don't mind throwing alot of money away, how are they going to support the club in the long term?

Obviously the aim would be to get EFC back playing in the borough. This simply can't happen in the foreseeable future with there being no ground available. So, surely they've got to stay at borehamwood - how can this be financed next season?

Maybe EFC could drop out of the Ryman and play at Haringey, but there's certainly no long term solution there.

Unfortunately I agree with Neil. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems to be too late to save EFC. I will be impressed if they see out the season, and if they do they've already lost half their team and look set for relegation. Furthermore, there is realistically only room for one 'Enfield' football team in the borough. ETFC have filled this void.

Hollie, your ignorance seems to know no bounds. It's like trying to reason with a brick wall. ETFC have nothing to fear from EFC and why would we be bitter? Just because your son plays for the reserves or whatever you seem to think you have more of a right to pass opinion than those of us who spent many years following the club up and down the country. Likewise, we have no more right than you! This is a forum where anyone can add an opinion.


your wrong there you have now been told......russ

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Gonzo - your comments seem to be aligned to those a couple of weeks ago in the letters page of the Gazette.

A few days ago Lee Harding was rumoured to be the "White Knight" except it looks like he has taken a detour; soi is there someone else in the weeks with SERIOUS money to run a football club? (think not)

If EFC want to be a supporters run club, then I am sure there is room for them @ ETFC; no gloating, no people bashing just, come along and get on with putting top class non-league football on in the boro, again.

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I have been involved with the youth section at Enfield for a few years now and have posted on the forum in the past in relation to youth section matters that I thought might be of interest.

This time I am prompted to write (against my better judgment probably) as a result of the nature of some of the exchanges that have been taking place on the forum of late.

It seems to me that you have to start from the premise that Enfield FC has a proud and respected heritage and is something worth preserving.

You then move on to the undeniable premise that Enfield (the borough) can only support one semi professional team.

Those who formed the Town struck a great blow for supporter power (which is where power should be) - and the success and vibrancy at ETFC is a great tribute to them. But equally, those who stayed did so out of loyalty to a club supported for many years - and the wrench was just too great to contemplate. Can each side of the divide not accept and respect the stance of the other?

If we are not yet at the stage - then we soon surely will be - when the person responsible for the decline of EFC and its present sorry state will himself be history.

Would this not be the opportune time to bury any hatchets that need to be buried; swallow any pride that needs to be swallowed; and get on with the far more important business of trying to rebuild and preserve that once great name?

Or are the individual petty grievances/feuds/point scoring and general mud slinging demonstrated here of more importance?

If the answer to the last question is yes then it is indeed a sad day - but those concerned will be as much to blame for the demise of a great non league institution as Lazerou and the connnving councillors who got us to this state in the first place.

Yours in football.

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Gonzo, you can call me ignorant, if you like. You seem to think you know all about me. Sadly, for you, you are totally wrong. If you think that name calling etc, will get anybody to make a statement, out of anger, you are also very wrong about that.

Terry, I agree with all you have said, and from now on, I will not bother to reply to any of the snide comments on here. I will just smile at their ignorance and carry on supporting EFC.

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Don't you think a person who has only recently started supporting EFC might be a slightly more 'ignorant' of the facts ,than people with 20/30 years of watching EFC under their belts.


Don't you just love these 'Jonny-come-lately's' who jump on board the 'good ship EFC' when their reletives play for them....then disapear just as quickly when their reletive moves on to pastures new.

Remember the prolific poster MR BENSON....now what ever happened to him.


P.S....Terry,if those running EFC were as leval headed and magnanimous as you seem to be...then maybe people whould be more sympathetic towards them.

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It seems to me that you have to start from the premise that Enfield FC has a proud and respected heritage and is something worth preserving.

You then move on to the undeniable premise that Enfield (the borough) can only support one semi professional team.

Would this not be the opportune time to bury any hatchets that need to be buried; swallow any pride that needs to be swallowed; and get on with the far more important business of trying to rebuild and preserve that once great name?

Terry, the problem seems to be that of maintaining both EFC and ETFC. If the borough can only support one semi-pro team how can both have any chance of surviving?

When the supporters voted to form ETFC I was one of the few who voted against such a move in favour of toughing it out. I reluctantly moved over to ETFC after it was suggested that eventually the two clubs would merge and EFC would be run by the supporters. From what I can see this seems to be the only hope for EFC but completely against the interests of ETFC.

I can't see the ETFC supporters allowing any kind of merger now - they have their own history and identity.

Likewise, the EFC fans clearly want nothing to do with these 'traitors'.

Without a vast influx of supporters I don't see how EFC can become self-sufficient. The ETFC supporters aren't now going to jump ship and rejoin EFC.

Of course the sensible thing to do would be for all the supporters to unite behind either EFC or ETFC. Unfortunately nostalgia dictates that hatchets won't be buried. At this stage ETFC appears to be in the stronger position (barring a few financial difficulties) so the great history of EFC won't save it. ETFC don't need a merger to survive so the only way we can ALL move forward together is for EFC to approach ETFC. From what I can see all they have to offer though is the name "Enfield Football Club".

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Enfield Borough can obviously only support one club. It is obvious that ETFC is going to be that club. But the name Enfield FC still has resonance beyond the tainted name of Lazorou. Surely a way of combining in the future may be possible. After all the Enfield Supporters Trust was set up to ensure that originally EFC survived. I even put money into ETFC when first formed but after realising the schism that was happening between it and the old club and the abuse heaped on those left behind pulled out.

Finally where is the account with the money from the ground sale. But is it with Laz or is it retrieveable if he isn't in charge. If it is there that is an asset that is of benefit to all of us. Though not for personal use obviously.

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I would like to see only one club representing ENFIELD,if that involves what is left of EFC being incorporated into ETFC,i wouldn't have a problem with it.

But i feel those left at EFC would rather see the club die,than approach ETFC.

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Lovely stuff, please read my previous post, where I told another know it all, that YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME. Also, as I previously said, I am not going to bother to get into slanging matches with any of you, anymore, but I will enlghten you a little, so that maybe you can stop making yourself sound like an idiot. I have grown up with EFC, my Father was always a great supporter of them, My eldest brother, who is now over 60, had trials with them, we went to watch loads of their matches at Southbury Road when I was young. I have'nt been able to get to any games since i grew up, for my own private reasons. I grew up in white Hart lane, and also support Spurs, I have'nt been to any of their games either, so if you want to call me a 'johhny come lately' thats up to you. You have obviously wasted your time, to TRY to find out things about me, when you could have just asked. So, well done, yes, my son has played for the Reserve team. He could have gone to ETFC or EFC. He chose EFC. His choice. I hope that he will leave EFC one day, obviously, to play in a much higher division. That will not change my feelings for EFC though. I am 100% behind the people trying to save the club, and wish them all the very best.

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Hollie,

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here. Lovely Stuff hasn't gone to any lengths to find out anything about you - you told us your son played for the Reserves in an earlier post.

I do agree that there seems little point in EFC and ETFC fans squabbling amongst ourselves - there's only one person to blame for that though and after all we've all been through it's very difficult to believe at this stage that he's no longer involved. We can but hope - then some very difficult decisions might need to be made all round.

I can tell you one thing though - we at ETFC are very happy with our lot and the way both the club, and the team, are run. Personally I would like to see both clubs come together again in the future - but I think we are probably a long way from that if, indeed, it ever will happen. It's probably true that there is only room for one 'top' team in the borough - and, at the moment, that's all there is.

Best of luck to anybody that genuinely has the interests of EFC at heart.

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