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Unfortunatley, the USA as the only superpower is always going to be hated and seen as a repressor.

However, it is the job of the Bush and his boys to manage this perception and unfortunately all they have done is confirm the world's perception of the US and justify the hatred.

To compound this they have been totally incompetent. Does anyone really believe that Clinton would have ignored all that intelligence and allowed it to come to this - 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq? I don't think so, he may have had his faults but he kept a tight ship.

If the US is to redeem itself at all it needs to firstly hand over Iraq to the UN, agree to pay all UN peace-keeping costs and to declare that no US companies should profit from contracts arising out of the unjust war which the US government initiated.

It then needes to look seriously at its Middle Eastern policy, and to stand up to Israel.

An interesting point I noticed while in New York recently, was the number of Arabic immigrants. It'll be interesting to see if policy shifts when they and their children become voters, or whether the rich Jewish lobby can maintain the status quo.

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The US has to support Israel seeing they are the Country that was instrumental in the first settlements(Britain was strongly against them!), and the Birth of Israel as a Country!

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Fleetfan, I disagree.

The US supports Israel because of powerful Jewish lobbies on the East Coast.

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I agree. It is about time that the US and the rest of the UN put pressure on Israel to abide by UN decisions and start demonstrating that it is a civilised country and stops abusing human rights and borders.

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The US supports Israel because of powerful Jewish lobbies on the East Coast.


But, as you mentioned earlier on this thread, there are now many Arabic people living in New York. Indeed, I read a report recently in the Herald-Tribune which described the arrangements New York Muslim taxi drivers have made so that they can keep to their prayer times. There are certainly more Jewish politicians than Muslim politicians on the East Coast, but the difference in the number of voters must be narrowing.

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Yellow Bungle said:hand over Iraq to the UN


I agree - it's about time the UN actually did something. They appear to be turning into the League of Nations.

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Glad I started another thread that got you all conversing !

Have been away from here for a few days, so I'll start looking for another !

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I protest, this is most unfair.

The UN is the finest body in the world at wringing its hands, monitoring situations, passing resolutions, condemning actions and forming committees, sub-committees, scrutinising committees and steering groups. It also formulates strategies, frameworks and guidelines and has generated more acronyms than anyone else in history.

A remarkable achievement, I am sure you will agree.

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I protest, this is most unfair.

The UN is the finest body in the world at wringing its hands, monitoring situations, passing resolutions, condemning actions and forming committees, sub-committees, scrutinising committees and steering groups. It also formulates strategies, frameworks and guidelines and has generated more acronyms than anyone else in history.

A remarkable achievement, I am sure you will agree.



I wondered what the Euro Parliament based itself on! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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you want to be careful with comments like that whilst Invis is around. He wants to see the UK as part of a vast communist European super state with just one party and where we all have to vote for that one party to give it credibility!

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But there'll be free Shreddies for all...

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you want to be careful with comments like that whilst Invis is around. He wants to see the UK as part of a vast communist European super state with just one party and where we all have to vote for that one party to give it credibility!


Sounds good to me.
Pro Euro

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I prefer the term "socialist" actually.

And I am definitely in favour of one big party!

We'd all be in a state afterwards.

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I saw on the late news last night, 3 Greek (/) civilians being lined up with the usual standard 3 hooded basta*ds standing behind them.

Apparently, 72 hours have been set before the knife comes out again.

I am not going on - It makes me SO annoyed.

Just leave it to say, it proves that all those pinko poofter 'don't lets go to war/ anti Bush' brigade should now be sent out to the middle East to do ALL the civilian work ! Maybe then they'll realise what it was all about in the first place.

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Like you BJR we are all entitled to our own views. Bush / Blair are still wrong, whatever you say. The Usa / Brit public agree that's why they would be out if an election was held now.



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.............And Finsbury Park Mosque will probably be the new site for our Houses of Parliament to move from The Palace of Westminster !!

(N-U-R-S-E ?? Double dose, tonight, please !!)

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S'funny, but I think these terrorists are scumbags, and am very much against outsiders attempting to alter the fabric of British society and culture, YET am also against the US & UK involving themselves further within the Middle East.

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I have only one thing to say to all of you.....OIL!!!!!!..thats why we are bothered with the Middle East!

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OIL drink 'ter that, USA !!

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Your round JR! <img src="/images/graemlins/doah.gif" alt="" />




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