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All those racist people out there need to stop hating because he is young talented and succesful he would want to represent britain because he was born here but still has love for his own country so WHAT THE [****!!****] IS YOUR PROBLEM U WHITE [****!!****]STAINS!!!!!!
U DONT PHASE HIM U NARROW MINDED DICKHEADS!!!!!!
I AM YET TO SEE A WHITE PERSON REPRESENT BRITAIN SO U SHOULD BE GRATEFUL IF HE WANTS TO WEAR A PAKISTANI MOUTHGUARD WHAT IS IT TO U?
IF I EVER SEE SOMEONE MAKE A RACIST COMMENT AGAIN I WILL TRACK U DOWN AND [****!!****] SLAUGHTER U!!!!!!!!



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Why does he have a Pakistan Mouthguard?

Would he be represent Queen and Country without funding? Obviously talented but suprised at the Pakistan Mouthguard and Flags.


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If you are not going to embrace the country that embraces you...........GET OUT and go to the country you say you love!

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Hence the American Citizenship JR!

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If you are not going to embrace the country that embraces you...........GET OUT and go to the country you say you love!


I take personal resentment to that statement. I love my country (England), and I am extremely proud to be English. That does not stop me from being with my American wife, and living there. I can't count the amount of American's that would love me to be back there, after my visit a few months ago.

That statement is pure rascism against anyone that isn't American. That statement tells me I am not welcome in America, and I know different.

There is no way I am going to sing the American anthem, but I will stand for the English anthem. Your statement is total crap to me. I enjoyed America, but there's no damn way I will sing an anthem of a country I was not born in, just because I live there.

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Not racist at all!
You didn't become a citizen.........You obviously didn't intend to stay here!

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You are obviously stupid, dense, or otherwise. My wife is American; she lives in America, was born in America, and holds an American passport. I thought I'd made that clear. I intend to be with my wife, wherever she is. Be it America, be it Chile, be it Nicaragua. Wherever my wife is, I want to be there. My wife is American, so I WILL be with her.

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The whole point Bloodlust is making is that we will be together. It doesn't matter if it is in England or in America.. or Outer Mongolia for that matter. Whether we choose to stay here in the States or go back to England, he is English and I am American. Whether he chooses to become a citizen here or I choose to become a citizen there, or we leave things as they are is beside the point.

When I was in England, I was welcomed with open arms by everyone I met. But I never felt the need to sing the anthem, because I am American. While he was here, he was welcomed with open arms, and there are countless people who can't wait for him to return. Again, that is no need for him to feel a need to sing the anthem of a country he was not born in. A person can love being in the country he or she chooses to live in and remain loyal to his or her home country.

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I am not stupid or dense...but you are obviously ignorant!!!!!!!!!If you don't intend to become a citizen, okay........But if you do, and you take the Oath of Alegance, then you are a Hypocrite as well!

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I Still love Britain.........My Wife is American and this is where we settled, so i took citizenship. America adopted me, so i became a citizen and will sing the Star Spangled Banner(and be proud to do so) from now on!

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Hang on a mo... Who said I don't intend to become a citizen? I do intend to become a citizen, but there is no way I will ever sing the American anthem. I am English, and will always be English. I never said I don't intend to become a citizen.

I merely said that there is no damn way I will sing an anthem that doesn't belong to me.

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I was born in America, and I love America, but I don't feel a need to prove it by singing the anthem. It is what is in your heart that matters, not what you sing. He can love America and enjoy citizenship but still have loyalty to his country. His reason for coming here is ME, not the country. As stated above, we want to be together. This just happens to be where we are going to be.

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I suggest you don't take the Oath of Allegiance then, because you have to renounce Allegiance to any other country. If you take it and don't mean it,...What's the point?

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What is wrong with having dual citizenship? If we would decide to end up moving to England, that is what I would want to do. There is nothing wrong with his wanting to be loyal to the country of his birth and loving this country too.

Again, it would be different if the move was just to leave one country to be in another. This is about us being together.

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Dual Citizenship was never mentioned
If you take the Oath of Alegiance........You can't hold Dual Citizenship.

The oath of allegiance is:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

In some cases, INS allows the oath to be taken without the clauses:

". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law. . ."

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Slightly flawed, don't you think? There isn't a chance in the slightest that I'm gonna turn my back on my country of birth, just because something says I should, and I seriously doubt many people would. Then there's the 'god' part of it, which is another matter.

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No i don't think it is flawed....Your reasoning is the very thing that gets people upset, using a country for your convienience. The very thought in the original thread.
If you don't believe, or intend to live up to the Oath........You shouldn't take it!

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How is he using a country for his convenience?

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In some cases, INS allows the oath to be taken without the clauses:

". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law. . ."


The fact they allow it to be taken out shows me they don't expect someone to fight for America. Since that is the case, then there is no problem with a person feeling loyal to his or her birth country. If it was an all or nothing situation, they would leave that part in for everyone.

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I posted that part....Who is talking about fighting........YOU.......I was talking about the allegiance part.......But you twist everything again...........
The part about fighting was optional in case people had to fight against Relatives in their old Country.............I wish you would check your facts before posting, it has nothing to do with Allegiance!

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it has nothing to do with Allegiance


It doesn't?

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"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen


Very odd, because I see that word in that very sentence!

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Twisted it again..........The fighting opt out clause has nothing to do with Allegiange..........Neither have you!




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