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As an Enfield FC fan who moved out of the borough several years ago I have been following events from afar with real sadness.<BR>I watched many great games at Southbury Road and enjoyed some excellent FA Cup journeys around the country.<BR>Supporting Enfield was fun. <BR>I decided to support them because they were the nearest club to where I lived.<BR>The whole point about being a football fan is sticking with your club through thick and thin, through the highs and lows.<BR>This is why I am disappointed with the majority fans who have formed a 'rival' side and are now treating EFC like some sort of enemy club.<BR>You can't blame fans like me for not wanting to support a new club - especially one that calls itself Town, which automatically excludes people who live in the borough of Enfield but outside the "Town".<BR>I can't believe supporters are turning on each other over this. Barnet is our traditional enemy - not fellow E's fans.<BR>What happens if EFC draw Barnet in the FA Cup next season? Will Town fans stay away?Will Town fans be supporting Barnet?<BR>I'm appalled at the fact that the great club of EFC has been stabbed in the back, not only by its chairman, but now by its own supporters.<BR>I shall continue to support EFC from afar, and I can only hope that if the club does sort out its problems, then the orginal fans will come back. Or maybe one day the two clubs will merge. Who knows?<BR>By the way Barnet lost on Saturday - isn't that cause for celebration anymore?

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I agree with your sentiments, but everyone involved with ETFC at all levels has made their decision for their own reasons, the same as those who have stayed with EFC. There will always be those on both sides who disagree so strongly with those with the other team that they feel they have to point out the error of their ways at every available opportunity. But I think the majority of fans of both teams are happy for the two teams to exist regardless of the history that surrounds the current situation.<P>The club was named after a poll of the members of the supporters trust (as far as I know), which had members from across the borough and beyond. Therefore, the decision was made by the supporters. Besides, People across the world support that team from Manchester, don't they?

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This is all fair enough, except for the fact that the 'Town' internet voices seem to constantly put EFC and those who have stayed with them down.<P>It's interesting what you said about the vote thing. I joined the supporters trust and voted against the split etc etc. And so far I've met about four other people who I have never met before who said they also voted against the split...which is a bit freaky as apparantly there should only be about 60 of us against several hundred others and yet I keep bumping into people who were anti- the whole thing!<P>(By the way I was in Barnet after Enfield's home match against Grays and Barnet's lose to Boston, and Bostong were rather vocal in the Firkin - with no Barnet response, I think the fun's gone out of football in North London a little!) <P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badger:<BR><STRONG>I agree with your sentiments, but everyone involved with ETFC at all levels has made their decision for their own reasons, the same as those who have stayed with EFC. There will always be those on both sides who disagree so strongly with those with the other team that they feel they have to point out the error of their ways at every available opportunity. But I think the majority of fans of both teams are happy for the two teams to exist regardless of the history that surrounds the current situation.<P>The club was named after a poll of the members of the supporters trust (as far as I know), which had members from across the borough and beyond. Therefore, the decision was made by the supporters. Besides, People across the world support that team from Manchester, don't they?</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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As far as I remember, the poll on the new name was only a straw poll. It certainly was not official or properly organised. It was just set up to test what name supporters would want for the new club if it were set up. Enfield Town got the most votes, and Enfield Borough and Enfield Spartans also got quite a few, but were unavailable because they were already registered with the Middlesex F.A. So Enfield Town was chosen without a proper poll as the only available popular name.<P>As for Enfield and Enfield Town fans disliking each other, I suspect that those which have strong feelings against the supporters of the other club are much more likely to express those feelings as those which either wish the others well or do not care about them.

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I have always said the supporters are the club and the majority of the supporters are now supporting Enfield Town. I personally no longer consider Enfield FC to be the club I supported for 20 years plus. The team with the spirit and feeling of the team I supported for nearly a quarter of a century now play in Brimsdown and its not the Rovers. I personally now want to see Enfield disappear and go and take great joy in seeing them struggling because they are not the team I supported and therefore have no loyalty to them.<P>THM

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But you see THM that is my point. It is not the club you supported anymore because YOU and others like you have decided to leave. If you had stayed and seen things out the club could have kept its soul.<BR>As I said, I no longer live in London and haven't been able to watch the Es for some time - but it fills me with great sadness to think that attendences have dropped to 80 odd for home games.<BR>I'm going to stay loyal to the club I've supported since I was 10. Nothing lasts forever and I know that one day there will be a new chairman and new hope. And to the other EFC fans who are sticking with the club through the worst period of our history - thank you. <BR>Thank you for not turning your back but instead doing what football fans are supposed to do - support their club.

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So we should have 'stayed and seen things out' should we? Look at what happened at Maidstone, another club raped by their Chairman. They 'saw things out' and had to start again at a league far below the standard of the E.S.L.<P>It's not as if we just got the hump with the way things are going and formed ETFC to put two fingers up at Lazarou. The choice to break away was a heart-breaking one for many of us but I believed then and still do that it is the ONLY option if I want to continue following an Enfield team that I recognise as a true vehicle of the history and passion given by Enfield teams and supporters of the past.<P>Only the most blinkered Enfield fan could honestly say they think things will turn out alright with Lazarou at the helm. Why do you think he turned his back after agreeing to hand over the reins to the trust last season? It's because he still sees money to be made. Let us not forget Lazarou is the man who got upset when his plans to buy Meadow Park were scuppered because he'd 'had an excellent offer to build flats on it.'<P>I hold no ill-feeling to those who choose to stay with EFC but watching Enfield under Lazarou isn't watching EFC to me, it's a demorilising display of what he's done to a club which now has no future and no hope.

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I agree with THM and Faithful. In my opinion, the old EFC had already lost its 'spirit' when the decision was made to move on. That's why I changed to Town. It was obviously a hard decision to make, because as you rightly say if you choose to support a club, you should be with them through thick and thin. But when it no longer feels like the same club, what can you do? Perhaps if you'd been able to come to matches over the last few seasons your opinion would be different. Perhaps you'd be one of the ones who stayed. All I can say is that I have made the right decision for me.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by <EFC & Proud>:<BR><STRONG>Nothing lasts forever and I know that one day there will be a new chairman and new hope. </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But will there ever be a new chairman. The people left are not enough to run the club because except for a few exceptions they haven't got the commitment. Even one of the main anti ETFC people on this website doesn't go that often (Freebird). <P>Who is going to buy a club with no ground and very few supporters?<P>THM

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I really understand where a lot of ETFC supporters are coming from and it sickens me that fellow fans are so angry with the Lazarou regime that they had to leave.<BR>But I just can't leave. <BR>In answer to The Faithful's comments, every situation is different and there are plenty of clubs who have been in Maidstone's situation, where things have been sorted out and relegation to a lower league hasn't happened.<BR>The fact is that Enfield is still in the same league it has been in for pratically all of the 1990s - I know this year the team look like going down but even so, at present nothing has changed. <BR>How a team called Enfield Town, and playing in the Essex Senior League, with no guarantee of prmotion, is recognised "as a true vehicle of the history and passion given by Enfield teams and supporters of the past" is really beyond me.<BR>But I don't want to criticise ETFC fans because they have made their decision to leave and they have every right to do so.<BR>I can only put across the reasons why I am staying, and believe me no-one could be unhappier with the current regime at EFC. <BR>I remain, perhaps blindly, optimistic. I look at a club like Harlow, historically in many ways similar to Enfield in the fact that it had a proud Conference history and also one year got through to the fourth round of the FA Cup.<BR>A few years ago that club was also in turmoil, stuck at the foot of Ryman League Three. Today it is turning itself around and is pushing for promotion to the Premier League.<BR>Miracles can happen and every footballing dynasty comes to an end eventually, including Lazarou's.<BR>The question I want to know is if, and I admit it is a BIG if, EFC start doing well again will ETFC fans ever come back?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> The question I want to know is if, and I admit it is a BIG if, EFC start doing well again will ETFC fans ever come back? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That's something I've asked myself before now as well, to be honest. I suspect there are those that will, but not until Laz has gone. Even then, it will depend on how long they've been at ETFC and how well they're doing. It's something for each individual to decide if the moment ever comes.

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I suspect the answer is no - people have rediscovered that watching is fun and WE own this club. Not one person but us!

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I'm with you on that one, PP. I can't really see me changing back. But there's always a few. If you go back five years, could you have imagined that you'd have changed allegiance by now? Still, a lot of water has flowed and all that.

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Not a bad set of messages for once. Good views from both clubs supporters I think. We all have our reasons for going with EFC or ETFC. I've stayed with EFC because I've always supported them. Obviously those who've pulled away have got good reasons. I live in Ipswich so have thought about giving up for a long time. I could easily have found a club nearer from home that won more games and of course that would be more fun than following Enfield over the last few years. But I've stuck by them not because of Laz but because there my team and if I had changed before the feelings of letting the side down would be unbeleivable. Thatswhy I'm sure it has been relatively easy for the mass defection to occur as by all going together there is less feeling of possibly being wrong. I can't say I have great hopes for the future. I gave up using hope, football and enfield in the same sentance in 1994.<BR> As for my thoughts on the season so far. The team is better than last year and does not give up if behind, but this run of results is bound to make confidence suffer. As for ETFC the season is bound to get tougher as those Essex pitches turn into quagmires but it is probably between youselves and Bowers. They looked good the other night when they thrashed Basildon in the League Cup.

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It looks like we won't know the full extent of the split for years to come.<BR>For any of these matters to be resolved there has to be extensive change at EFC.<BR>Of course by then ETFC may have caught up and surpassed them. Who knows.<BR>However it has been refreshing to see that my original fears of ETFC fans treating their EFC counterparts like hated rivals, are perhaps unfounded.<BR>I think both sets of fans on this message board have mutual respect for each other and even though I won't ever stop supporting Enfield I wish the Town all the best.<BR>My hope is one day the clubs may unite, perhaps under the original name of Enfield Spartans, and once again be a non-league force.<BR>And if Tony Lazarou is reading this I have one thing to say. You should be ashamed of yourself that you have allowed this split to happen. <BR>The only way you can rectify the situation is by putting more money into the club and finding EFC a ground in the borough.<BR>In the mid 90s under Graham Roberts and then George Borg we were becoming a great club again - unless you have aspirations to reach those heights once more then it is pointless you staying. If you have no ambition then do the decent thing and go.<BR>At the moment only you have the power to make or break the club and to me it looks like you've gone a long way to destroying it for ever. What a legacy to be remembered for!

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It's interesting to see all of the opinions expressed and particularly those of people who live outside the borough. I too live outside Enfield now and have done for eight years.Enfield FC is still my team because it always has been and it represents my past in a small way.I can understand why Town fans have lost patience but I cant just ignore the players who are still battling their socks off for Enfield. If I was supporting tham last season how I can I stop supporting them this season? (I went to Bedford tonight - a local derby for me! - and we were truly unlucky not to win). By all means criticise Lazarou but please leave off the team and players. <img src="graemlins/zornig.gif" border="0" alt="[zornig]" />

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by <Northampton E>:
<strong>It's interesting to see all of the opinions expressed and particularly those of people who live outside the borough. I too live outside Enfield now and have done for eight years.Enfield FC is still my team because it always has been and it represents my past in a small way.I can understand why Town fans have lost patience but I cant just ignore the players who are still battling their socks off for Enfield. If I was supporting tham last season how I can I stop supporting them this season? (I went to Bedford tonight - a local derby for me! - and we were truly unlucky not to win). By all means criticise Lazarou but please leave off the team and players. <img src="graemlins/zornig.gif" border="0" alt="[zornig]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote><p>I have now been living outside Enfield for 32 years, and I supported Enfield until the split. Apart from the fact that Enfield now play in Borehamwood, I had been particularly upset about Enfield breaking many of the ties they had had with the community. The commitment of the founders of Enfield Town to building ties to the community was an important factor in my decision to support the new club. I felt that the visions embodied in Enfield Town together with the energy, skill and enthusiasm of those involved in it made it the sort of club I could be proud to identify with, much more so than with the club I had been supporting for most of my life. The ownership structure is another feature which helped me identify with Enfield Town.<p>I have not stopped hoping that Enfield do well after all those years of supporting them, but I feel now that Enfield Town is my team.




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