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yes but as our home ground is at ware at the moment only an idiot would think efc would give etfc home advantage

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And these days you're only getting about 50 more fans than us, what happened to those glory days eh- or have all your 'loyal' supporters started going to Cheshunt?


Seems maths isn't your strong point.

Town home average - 238
Enfield home average - 94

238-94=144

Figures from TonyKempster.co.uk

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We all know there are several ways to add up crowd figures THM. Take off the complimentaries and season ticket holders and is that still a massively impressive 238? Makes a mockery of the '600' away fans don't it?

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In comparison to 94 yes it is impressive. Especially as we have only played two home league games on a Saturday. I have never ever suggested 600 travelling. There will be the usual circa 150 away Town fans plus say 50 extras plus neutrals. I suggest a crowd of no more than 500ish especially on a Sunday.

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I suppose season ticket holders do actually go to the games on the odd occassion though, don't they?

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Why is playing in the Borough of Enfield 'conceding home advantage'?

Neither club has its own ground, so why does one have advantage over another? In fact I'd suggest that ETFC's away form remains better than at 'home' over the last year or so.

Surely its as easy for fans to travel either way, unless there might be more going in one direction than the other. Still, to compensate, I'll do you a map each.

Perhaps we could also increase the gate prices to make you feel even more at home-just for the day!

Last year, the big concern was the difference between the 500+ at Brimmo and ETFC's usual gate. You claimed they were 'your' (lost) supporters. Why not make it easy for you to 'find' them again?

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You know what I meant! What about you- are you coming down on the 12th then?

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Regarding attendances. ETFC's attendance at home against Diss Town last month in the Vase was 328. With 317 watching the FA cup 2ndQ against Thame Utd.

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I'm certainly planning to, MKJ.

I seem to recall I still owe you the beer I didn't buy you at the Mddx County Cup Final the season before last......

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Regarding attendances. ETFC's attendance at home against Diss Town last month in the Vase was 328. With 317 watching the FA cup 2ndQ against Thame Utd.



That's roughly what I expected. Not bad attendances, but a little disappointing considering those were both 'big' games. We were getting those sort of attendances at Borehamwood & St.Albans (when it was just EFC that is).

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2nd Qualifier of the FA cup.
1st round of the Vase.

Not exactly BIG games. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/doah.gif" alt="" />


The truth is that a lot of Town fans are fed up with the ESL and as such only about 250 attend regulary.With 100 always going away.For any game that's half attractive ,like FA cup FA vase qualifiers,Town get over 300 at home.With attractive games like cup finals(seven so far) and games against local rivals..etc. Town normally get up to 600 in attendance.

Regarding attendances at the Wood.I went to every game there before the split,and it was rare to get over 300 for any game. I think the average attendence was about 200. (nearly all of which now go to the Town).

Don't get me wrong.I'm glad that EFC are getting bigger crowds as well.But as home teams in league games don't have to pay the away team half the gate(as they do in FA competitions) some attendance figures are not always accurate [I'm not talking about EFC,but in general].When a team has to pay the away team a percentage of the gate,you then get the real attendances.Having said that,a lot of clubs in FA competitions craftily knock 50 or so off the gate, so that they don't have to pay the away team as much.

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LS that is scandolous! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />

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2nd Qualifier of the FA cup.
1st round of the Vase.

Not exactly BIG games. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/doah.gif" alt="" />



Slightly more appealing than a league game against Bowers & Pitsea though. The point I'm making is for the 'only club in Enfield' you're not exactly filling the ground, despite all the improvements, and you should be getting better gates. Maybe you should ditch the ESL and come back to the real E's Lovely Stuff. Or you can hang around and wait for Danny Clarke to return (again)... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

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I think the question should be 'How many would EFC get at Brimmsdown against the likes of Bowers & Pitsea.???? ETFC are getting five times the amount EFC would get.IF the 'proper EFC of old' had slipped into the ESL ,i'm sure they would be getting no more than 250.It doesn't mean they wouldn't get 600 in the Ryman prem or 800+ in the conference ,does it.


I'm afraid if EFC did manage the unimaginable and start climbing the pyramid.I couldn't see their attendances rising much. Check out Cheshunt's crowd of 66 in the Ryman prem last week.

Lets face it .The people of Ware will not come to watch a team representing Enfield.And the casual supporter will not fancy the 25 miles round trip for every home game.

I've noticed at ETFC (this year especially) that fair percentage of the crowd are kids.I was a kid when i first started watching Enfield fc at Southbury road.A good percentage of any clubs crowd are made up of local families and kids.How are EFC crowds going to increase in the comming years.Your only hope is a mass exodus from ETFC ,and that will never happen.

Saying that.Will EFC be able to cope with another defeat at the hands of your newly formed [local <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smilewinkgrin.gif" alt="" />] rivals.

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We are the proper EFC of old you cheeky chappie. I was going to write a long reply to what you wrote but I can't be bothered coz it's total b*****ks... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wavey.gif" alt="" />

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Unforunatly EFC became only the shell of the once great club it was ,once it left Enfield (southbury Rd). And then when virually all the fans and board members were forced to form another Club in order to try to keep its spirit alive . It remained 'Enfield FC' in name only. No more,no less.

What is happening now at EFC is admirable and relations with other clubs and performances are a lot better than when Laz/Back were there.But except it was a new start with the name EFC ,rather than pretending the club now is a straight 'blood line ' from the real/proper/old EFC.

Yes,results this year,coupled with ETFC's sucess has brought some pride back into football in the borough.But i refuse to accept that those shamfull scorelines conceded by EFC in recent years had ANYTHING to do with the great club of the past that i used to watch.Try to look forward and start a new era with the name 'Enfield FC'. Every past Enfield fan has the right to that history that we witnessed in the 30/40/50 years of watching 'The pride of non-league football'. Before Laz turned up and forced people to make tough discisions in the quest to retain/regain a non league team that the borough could be once agian proud of.

We all want ENFIELD to be a force in Non league football again. Some of us just have different idea's on how that can be best achieved.

Make no mistake though. the fans were forced to form another club in order to maintain the fanbase. It was being whittled away week after week at Boreham wood.If we would have left it much longer ,there would have been no one left to CARE about football in Enfield.


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LS why is it that down at the town the majority talk a load of bucking follox i say may the best team win you dont have to fear us bring your supporters all 600 of them (ops)sorry its not that many is it lets hope its a great game oh yes bring plenty of tissues with you your need em lol
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LS why is it that down at the town the majority talk a load of bucking follox

Because it's a football club and footie fans leave their brains on a hook by the turnstile when entering the ground. And often forget to pick it up again on the way home!

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Don't get me wrong.I'm glad that EFC are getting bigger crowds as well.But as home teams in league games don't have to pay the away team half the gate(as they do in FA competitions) some attendance figures are not always accurate [I'm not talking about EFC,but in general].When a team has to pay the away team a percentage of the gate,you then get the real attendances.Having said that,a lot of clubs in FA competitions craftily knock 50 or so off the gate, so that they don't have to pay the away team as much.

Ah. So FA rules can go hang if it's just a league game! The relevant bit is Rule I.1.(h). BTW, depending on the club's turnover it may need to be registered for VAT. Admittedly, VAT officers are more likely to turn up for a "big" game to do a head count than a cold, wet weekday evening in December, but the bit about splitting the net gate receipts with the away team doesn't really make up a club's corporate mind on whether or not to commit fraud!

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as i said cyclops a load of bucking follox russ




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