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Sounds like we had a MOLE




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Christ almighty you lot, get a life!

You know very well what happened, when and why. The meaning of the phrase in the ETFC programme is so clear a six year old could understand it, but you seem to having trouble with it.

Can't you ever stop whining, grow up, accept it happened, and come to terms with it?

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Derek

Whilst you are on the subject of "Club Histories", I notice that your site's history of EFC refers to Jim Chandler having "resigned" from the club.

You will off course now be aware of the true circumstances behind this..... therefore, should this not be changed to "unfairly dismissed"?

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Good call Mr X

And why you are about it tell us the real reason you stopped supporting EFC for a number of years.

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For all you nitpickers out there, this is the ETFC history from the website. To write our history we have to state why we were formed in the first place. To just write 'we were formed on 23rd June 2001' does not explain WHY we were formed. This version has been available for all to see since May and apart from the treble winning bit, has been accessable on the net and in various sections of the media for the past year. It makes me wonder why it has taken so long for anyone on this board to complain if they have an objection to it. Just get over it OK?

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Enfield Town FC were formed on 23rd June 2001, although the club can trace its roots back to September 1999 when Enfield FC became homeless following the sale of the Southbury Road stadium, their home since 1936. After a period of ground-sharing with no less than six different clubs the Enfield FC chairman settled on a long-term ground share with Borehamwood in Hertfordshire. Support soon dwindled and, worried that their club may never return to the borough, a group of supporters forced the local council to tackle the problem.

A joint 'task force' was set up, with the local council and supporters of the club joining the Enfield FC chairman in the search for a new home. After many months of negotiations three sites were identified but when the chairman failed to act upon their findings, the supporters began to make plans to take over the club and run it themselves.

It was at this point that the supporters on the task force, with the considerable help of Supporters Direct, formed The Enfield Supporters' Trust and with the Enfield FC chairman still showing a reluctance to negotiate they issued an ultimatum and threatened to break away and form a club of their own.

The proposals to form a new club, Enfield Town FC, were put to the 'Trust membership on 5th June and in anticipation of getting the go-ahead, the 'Trust committee carried out some preparatory work in finding a home and a league in which to compete. Their work proved to be invaluable for when the result of the ballot was announced on 23rd June the membership had voted overwhelmingly in favour of the proposal and Enfield Town FC was elected into the Foresters Essex Senior League two days later, having secured a ground-share deal with local Minerva League club Brimsdown Rovers and thus fulfilling their first aim to bring the new club home to the borough of Enfield.

A period of intense activity followed, during which the new club began to take shape. Many of the personnel involved behind the scenes were previously with Enfield FC and together with various people recruited from amongst the supporters they achieved the remarkable feat of seeing the new club play its first ever game only thirty-one days after being formed.

Local interest in the new club was such that over one hundred season ticket sales were recorded during the pre-season and after attracting a crowd of three-hundred and fifty for the inaugural fixture, a 'friendly' against Brimsdown Rovers, the first ever home league fixture exceeded all expectations by attracting a crowd of five hundred and sixteen.

On the pitch, under the guidance of manager Jim Chandler, an ex-Enfield manager and extremely popular with the supporters, Enfield Town FC made a superb start to the season. After leading the league in the early months they were gradually caught by Leyton and the battle for the championship became a two-horse race. Enfield Town had to settle for the runners-up spot in the end, but it was in cup competitions that they really excelled, finishing their first-ever season with no less than three trophies to add to the Foresters Essex Senior League runners-up shield.

They triumphed in the Cherry Red Books Capital Counties Feeder Leagues Trophy by beating Pitstone and Ivinghoe three goals to one at Ware FC in March 2002, and two months later they won two more trophies within the space of four days when they defeated Leyton in the Essex Senior League Cup and Ryman League Wealdstone in the Middlesex Senior Charity Cup, both games being decided by penalty kicks after finishing one goal apiece after extra time.

In addition, Enfield Town player Daniel Clarke won the Essex Senior League's top goal-scoring award while, with 83 goals, the club broke the league's goal-scoring record of 82, set by Tiptree United in 1977/78.

The club worked hard to forge links with the local community throughout the season, running coaching camps for juniors and participating in many local events, as well as joining the Campaign to Kick Racism out of Football.

Looking ahead to the future, the club are in negotiations with the local council over finding a long-term home within the borough and aim to expand to include reserves, youth and junior teams, as well as a ladies section. In the short term they have secured the further use of the facilities at Brimsdown Rovers and are supporting that club in its ground upgrading plans.

The club remains under the ownership of its supporters and is living proof of the ability of these people to create and successfully run a senior football club, offering inspiration to the many other supporters' groups throughout the country who wish to have a greater say in how their club is run.



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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote free bird:</font><hr />
On the subjuect of the same history being used by both clubs.

This was going on for years with the Wingate part of Wingate and Finchley and the Wingate part Leyton Wingte both using the same history up to the split.

There split was differant in the way it was there 1st Team going with Finchley and most of the Reserves going in the end to join Leyton.

Enfield Town and AFC Wimbledon can say they split but claiming the old clubs history not sure about that you normally start again.

As for Tony Lazarou's companies have nicked the history of the club run by Tommy Unwin's company whas your point companies pass hand all the time and the history goes with it.

I have not seen what Enfield Town are using this season but last season there was mentions of the club starting when the trust was formed, correct me if I'm wrong but was the trust not started when you were Enfield fans and the Soicerty started as Enfield Town fans



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Rob,

Don't forget that if you are trying to say that Enfield Town FC can't have the same history as Enfield FC because we aren't (any more) the same club, you might as well say that Enfield FC's history prior to 1974 belongs to the the club before Tommy Unwin turned it into a Ltd company and that the history of Tommy Unwin's club belongs to that company and not Tony Lazarou's. You can't have it both ways because either our club history includes Enfield's up to the split (because ETFC was formed from disgruntled supporters of EFC for reasons which grew from the mismanagement of EFC) or EFC's can't include anything before Tony Lazarou took over because there was never EFC Holdings Ltd prior to that date.

Or are you trying to say that companies are allowed to change hands but football clubs are alway the same even if they are run by totally different people? And what happens if the supporters go off and form their own separate club? Aren't they allowed to take account of their past just because it was under the name of the old club?

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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote McD:</font><hr />

You accused me of copying code

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Some of us are getting used to it Derek. You are supposed to give credit even if it is as a comment in your HTML or JavaScript. I guess you might bother doing that one of these days.

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I think this is all childish.

I am proud to have supported EFC for over 40 years. It WAS a very major part of my life it is part of my history. ETFC is a direct result of the crap that happened to EFC and I make no apologies for using the histories of EFC and Wimbledon in my column. Anyone with any intelligence could see the point that I was trying to make and it is a personal comment.

Grow up the lot of you

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Just a point if Enfield Town are claiming the history of Enfield FC am I now banned form Enfield Town games as I was from Enfield FC games.

As I was still banned when Southbury Road when it was knocked down(something I did not agree with) and you are claiming you started your history from when Southbury Road was knock down I must then have been banned from both club at that time.

As the chairman of Enfield FC has lifted my ban for his club are you going to do the same, as the personal who backed and enforced the ban at EFC are now shareholders with your club.

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If you wish to come & watch a game at ETFC wherever we are playing Home or Away you are more than welcome. As to a previous posting I believe the "Mole" was working for the EFC Chairman & against the "The Keep the E's in Enfield Campain"

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Getting back to the ORIGINAL point of this post (remember?), it's a shame that young Derek has taken to copying an established website and not done something a little more original. Sure, Derek says that most websites look original, but not to the point that such things as the date is in the same font, the headline is set for the same height and the players making the headlines are highlighted as well. Even the latest fixture list section looks as though it has been borrowed (is that what you mean Cyclops?). So... the changes looks good, but all on the back of somebody elses work. Couldn't you have 'borrowed' your code from another Ryman side Derek. <img src="/forums/images/icons/blush.gif" alt="" /> red cheeks all around I think.

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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Imitation:</font><hr />
Getting back to the ORIGINAL point of this post (remember?), it's a shame that young Derek has taken to copying an established website and not done something a little more original. Sure, Derek says that most websites look original, but not to the point that such things as the date is in the same font, the headline is set for the same height and the players making the headlines are highlighted as well. Even the latest fixture list section looks as though it has been borrowed (is that what you mean Cyclops?). So... the changes looks good, but all on the back of somebody elses work. Couldn't you have 'borrowed' your code from another Ryman side Derek. <img src="/forums/images/icons/blush.gif" alt="" /> red cheeks all around I think.

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You still don't get it do you?

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hey, what i wanna is how come you is still doing this bluddy amber-nectar stuff when you is supposed to be the bluddy club seckatary. is there not enuf stuff to do at boringwood on a saturday?

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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote McD:</font><hr />
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You still don't get it do you?

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You are darn right I don't get it. I am sure if somebody copied your precious league table program you would be crying your eyes out. Stop being lazy and have an original thought why don't you? Or at least give credit to the original codemaster.

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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Imitation:</font><hr />
Even the latest fixture list section looks as though it has been borrowed (is that what you mean Cyclops?).

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Actually, not any more it ain't. If you look at the source code it shows it is no longer updated using an adapted version of my code. You can tell by the way that on 27 August it still shows the next fixture is 26 August. My code would change that if the page is loaded or refreshed after 9pm on a weekday or 5-5.30pm (I can't actually remember) at a weekend.

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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Imitation:</font><hr />
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote McD:</font><hr />
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You still don't get it do you?

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You are darn right I don't get it. I am sure if somebody copied your precious league table program you would be crying your eyes out. Stop being lazy and have an original thought why don't you? Or at least give credit to the original codemaster.

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So you've seen my program?

Well actually no, I wouldn't cry - in fact I have given copies away (and that includes Neil when he was trying to get tables in to his web site when he first started) in the past and it's also on the net.....

I'm surprised you haven't told me yet that I've copied the layout of the league tables!!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/biggrinangelA.gif" alt="" />

Hmm... original thought? That's a new one (pot, black and kettle immediately spings to mind!) but we won't go down that road again - read my comments above.

However consider, as an example, Microsoft - or indeed any company that produces products etc through aquiring the original innovator - how would you class them? Or even, in the early days of PCs look and feel or even PC's them selves.

I bet you haven't sent them e-mails along the lines that you've been leaving on this board.

Where appropriate, I always credit the original coder (even if it is not graciously accepted). As an aside why are you peeking around at my code anyway - Looking for oriniginal ideas no doubt.

FYI the new front page is colourful and has horizontal lines but, no doubt, you'll find umpteen sites which are similar and still tell me its not original.

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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote old papa:</font><hr />
hey, what i wanna is how come you is still doing this bluddy amber-nectar stuff when you is supposed to be the bluddy club seckatary. is there not enuf stuff to do at boringwood on a saturday?

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Plenty and updating web sites is NOT one of them! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/biggrinangelA.gif" alt="" />

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Very interesting

Chris come's out and none wants to play

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No Chris.
If you look the Squadron Leader has already answered you. You can come to ETFC whenever you want.

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