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Oh yes Rob, you are quite correct. Mandeville it was... <p>'Bring on the Slagging
Enfield, Orient and England
Forever'<p>But what about SAVE?

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by the invisible man:
<strong>Here, how come Freebird has a rant back at everyone but me? What have I done wrong?<p>This is blatant discrimination against invisible people.</strong><hr></blockquote><p>He probably can't spell "invisible".

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Freebird:
<strong>Its great this so many wrong things in one go, were do I start.<p>CYCLOPS<p>''So how many clubs have you deserted Rob? Orient, Enfield, Potters Bar Town...
Ok, I won't include the Sunday sides because they don't have the same pull as senior football.''<p>So Sad when you get things wrong, I would have thought you would have had better information<p>Deserted Orient - when did that happen
Deserted Enfield - when did that happen
we all know why I stopped watching
Deserted PBT - when did that happen
this was a volentary job, resigned when I felt I had had enough.<p>As far as I can remember The Supporters changed Secretary, <p>The Turks wanted someone English <p>Im still at Northaw were Ive been for 6 years and there have won more in that time than than anyone in local football and we attract players with Conference and Rymans experance to play for us. and for nothing, so Dont talk about pull.
</strong><hr></blockquote><p>You never were very good at the English language were you Rob. You deserted Orient when you stopped going to see them. You deserted Enfield when you stopped going to see them. You walked out on Potters Bar Town. So it was a voluntary job but you still deserted them when, to be honest, they could probably have done with you staying. Basically, when the going gets tough you bugger off. <p>I still can't see how you can keep on blaming Roy Butler for the fact that you stopped going to Southbury Road. Tony Lazarou, for all his faults, even gave you the opportunity to come back without losing face and you turned him down. However much I dislike the man, that was a magnanimous gesture that he made and you refused to accept it.

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Having just returned from 4 years on the other side of the world,
it pains me to see such a great institution in non league football
as Enfield FC in such a bad way.
It is made even worse when the "supporters"of the "new"club
start having sideswipes at the diehard fans of the original club
and then those same fans biting back..
Although I was never an Enfield "fan",I watched them play many times at Southbury Road
and will always keep a special place in my heart for them.
However,ALL of you should try to remember that not so long ago you stood side by side supportin your team
and to now be sniping at each other is to say the least,very undignified.
Whether or not Enfield Town "fans" like it or not,they HAVE deseted their club when it needed
them most and such behaviour is both unaccetable and totally unjustifiable.
ALL of you should now be fighting for the future wellbeing of EFC,and not "pot hunting"in the lower echelons of senior football
whilst attempting to claim the moral highground.<p>[ 26 February 2002: This message was edited by: Scootle ]</p>

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Scootle, what you are seeing here is not ETFC vs. EFC. Sure, both sets of supporters do have their moments, but in general we respect each other's decisions. What you see here is an ex EFC from the eighties who by choice left the club (like us). It is his want to try and stir ill feelings between the clubs whilst following another side. All very sad but it does keep this board buzzing.

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Well Boys I have seen some pony on here but this little one takes some beating<p>When did this happen<p>''Tony Lazarou, for all his faults, even gave you the opportunity to come back without losing face and you turned him down. However much I dislike the man, that was a magnanimous gesture that he made and you refused to accept it.''<p>please explain as you must be more in the know than I ever thought <p>and by the way<p>''He probably can't spell "invisible".''<p>thats really sad of you

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To Scootle<p>You have been away for 4 years dont try to lecture anybody about "deserting their club when it needed them most". <p>We had no option. We tried everything.<p>It was a very hard decision but we made it and I personally think ive made the right decision. Im really enjoying my football again.<p>To Robert Freebird<p>My understanding was that you were told by Laz that your brother was not barred from coming to EFC games. That seems to be an offer to come back to me. If you want to know who told me that, then it was YOU. <p>THM

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Scootie, if you were away last year (and I will politely not enquire where!) you will not realise what was going on and how/why ETFC came to be formed. Our view is that we have NOT deserted our club, we ARE the true football club of Enfield: we took the spirit of the club back home. We understand that it can look like we deserted our club, which is of course the most heinous and despicable crime a football fan can commit, to anyone not fully aware of what happened and the how the decision came to be made. Yes, a number of remaining EFC fans feel that way, and we, or most of us, understand that and respect that view - and I for one admire their loyalty and wish them and EFC the best of luck. But we at ETFC are having a great season, really enjoying our football on and off the field if you see what I mean, it really feels like OUR ENFIELD again. The players spirit and loyalty to the club, the manager and the supporters has to be seen to be believed. <p>Most of the exchanges between the two sets of supporters are meant in good spirit. I certainly intend my postings here to be taken as friendly banter, just a bit of a laugh. As Neil says above, there are only one or two individuals who get wound up about it.<p>So now you are back from wherever you've been, why not go to see some games of BOTH teams - you have no axe to grind?<p>Good luck to the E's (but even better luck to the Town!) images/icons/wink.gif" border="0<p>[ 27 February 2002: This message was edited by: the invisible man ]</p>

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What I amseeing,Neil,is people who have done the most despicable thing that ANY football fan can do en masse.
And then to make things worse,they try to justify it b saying that E nfield Town are the "true Enfield team".
I have been home for a few weeks and have been told what happened and why,by people who have "no axe to grind"and as far as I am concerned,you have all behaved despicably.
As for coming to an ETFC game,after witnessing the arrogant attitude of your so called "fans" on this forum,NO WAY>

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Scootle<p>Please don't take the apparent attitudes of a few of the posters on here as typical. The vast majority of us on both sides are old friends who just happen to have made different decisions at one key juncture. We have agreed to differ and most of us are now looking forwards rather than backwards.<p>As someone has already said, if you weren't in the thick of things you really wouldn't appreciate just how bad things appeared to those of us who made the switch. Any anger is directed purely at one individual.<p>Come and meet us in person. You'll like us (or most of us).

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Scootle:
<strong>I have been home for a few weeks and have been told what happened and why,by people who have "no axe to grind"and as far as I am concerned,you have all behaved despicably.
;</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Were these people EFC supporters or ETFC supporters ? We have found that most neutral have understood our plight and we have received nothing but praise for our stance. I for one was an EFC supporter for over 20 years, this was not a decision I took lightly and I had to ask myself some very deep questions before finally going with the new club. If you were there at the time you would understand. Personally, my decision was made easier, when I saw a number of fans with far more years on the terraces going with the new club. <p>Personally I have no problem with a majority of the EFC fans and one or two are seen at ETFC and are given a warm welcome. <p>However, what I do not like is someone who hasn't been around coming in and telling me how I have behaved. I wouldn't do that and I would make sure that I have both sides of the story first....!<p>THM

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Arrogant? For simply trying to explain that for the most part the sets of supporters are on good terms? And inviting you to a game? Hmmm. <p>I notice, Scootle, that it was only yesterday that you were pleased for us and wished us all the best (on our board). I wonder who you talked to last night?<p>Shame you don't want to come and see for yourself, but it's up to you mate, enjoy your football, wherever you go.

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What I call arrogant is the assumption that because I went abroad to work means that I have"desserted "anyone.
Also the selective way that some of you appeared to have read my postings also shows a fair amount of arrogance.
You may or may not remember that I have said more than once that I am not,nor have I ever been an Enfield supporter,and as you may have worked out,There is no possibility of me becoming a fan of either club.
As for who I spoke to last night.I spent a very pleasant evening with 2 local journalists(1 of whom is retired)and a former Enfield FC player from the 70's.
NONE of them had anything bad to say about anyone but Mr.Lazarou.
Be honest,if you wanted a balanced view of what happened,would you ask anyone who was connected in ANY way with either club?
No.My opinion has been formed by me,PURELY by what I have been told by people who,as I have said,are not emotionally involved.
It is my opinion and mine alone,and it shows further arrogance that SOME of you wish to imply that I have been swayed or coerced by someone involved with EFC.
As for coming along to watch you,unlikely as apart from going to wafch my team play(that's Rotherham United)I am hoping to play a bit of football on saturdays as well while I am fit enough and still retain a competitive edge.
As for my wishes of good luck,they remain in place.But I still believe that your loyalty is misplaced.
You may have acted with the best of intentions,but I think you could eventually run up ablind alley.
BFN.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Freebird:
<strong>Well Boys I have seen some pony on here but this little one takes some beating<p>When did this happen<p>''Tony Lazarou, for all his faults, even gave you the opportunity to come back without losing face and you turned him down. However much I dislike the man, that was a magnanimous gesture that he made and you refused to accept it.''<p>please explain as you must be more in the know than I ever thought
</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Possibly I am. I can't give you actual dates but it was a few years before Southbury Road got the bullet. You told us then that Lazarou had invited you back with no strings attached—wiping the slate clean—but you still had a problem with Butler and turned the offer down. It wasn't an offer made with an ulterior motive because at the time Lazarou didn't need one. It was a genuine olive branch and you refused to accept it. You were told at the time that you were making a mistake and I still believe that to be the case.<p>Maybe being bitter and twisted is what drives you and you couldn't give up a grievance that gave you something to moan about. However, the fact remains that you walked out on Enfield FC. OK, you had your reasons, as those of us who follow Enfield Town FC had ours. But it is more than just a bit hypocritical of you to berate ETFC fans for doing no more than you did. If you want us to believe you are an EFC fan, start going to all their matches home and away and we might believe you, but don't have a go at us for following you out the gate.

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Scoottle<p>Its interesting how much flack you have had over the past few days, I thought it was only me that they had a problem with but it seem from what has been said against you they are just very sad and want to pick on anything that is not ETFC.<p>Cycle opps<p>Mr T never asked me to come back in fact I have only ever spoken to him once and that was to ask if Chris would be allowed into Southbury Road to watch our nephew play a match for Percival.<p>Mr T put me in touch with Terry Smith who has know Chris for some years and it was arranged for him to watch that one game.<p>I am sure most will recall (allthough maybe not as your brains seem to have wandered) but even while Mr T was Chairman RB still called the police and had him escorted out of the Ground.<p>As for me watching EFC games, i have seen 5 since RB left and will get to see more as the season goes on. But I have a commitment with SAVE that the friends I have at EFC understand<p>Leaving SAVE to watch EFC is and would not be deserting as what I do there is helping both them and myself as we move up the football ladder.<p>Everyone at SAVE know how I feel about EFC and have no trouble with me watching them I am no more treated a deserter than the players who had last saturday off to travel to Cardiff and watch Spurs on Sunday.<p>Its interesting how much time you boys spend on this forum, <p>''You only come here because you have nothing better to do''<p>as someone else who did'nt matter once said
as someone else said in the past<p>
Bring on the slagging
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Freebird:
<strong>Mr T never asked me to come back in fact I have only ever spoken to him once and that was to ask if Chris would be allowed into Southbury Road to watch our nephew play a match for Percival.<p>Mr T put me in touch with Terry Smith who has know Chris for some years and it was arranged for him to watch that one game.<p>I am sure most will recall (allthough maybe not as your brains seem to have wandered) but even while Mr T was Chairman RB still called the police and had him escorted out of the Ground.
</strong><hr></blockquote><p>I was only pointing out what you told us Rob. I don't think my memory is playing tricks because THM backed it up. If Butler called the police, why didn't Chris ask Lazarou to allow him to stay? And, if what Butler accused him of was so easy to disprove, why did he not take further action?<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>More waffle from Mr Brassett
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As for me watching EFC games, i have seen 5 since RB left and will get to see more as the season goes on. But I have a commitment with SAVE that the friends I have at EFC understand<p>Leaving SAVE to watch EFC is and would not be deserting as what I do there is helping both them and myself as we move up the football ladder.<p>Everyone at SAVE know how I feel about EFC and have no trouble with me watching them I am no more treated a deserter than the players who had last saturday off to travel to Cardiff and watch Spurs on Sunday.
</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Look, Rob, you deserted EFC in exactly the same way that I have. It's just that I admit it. Having said that, while I didn't want things to happen the way they did, we were left with the choice of either keeping on taking Lazarou at his word, which I decided not to do, or walking away. Now that I have made my decision I am not going to slag someone else off for choosing differently (although as you can see here I feel quite at liberty to take potshots at two-faced wotsits who claim to support a club they hardly ever see). There are EFC fans on this forum who actually turn up on Saturdays and cheer their team on. I have no problem with them for doing so. That is their decision but they are backing the club up by going to games. As far as I can see you are a SAVE and Northaw fan now. You don't go to Enfield games so you shouldn't consider yourself to be in the same group as Derek Bird, Robert G, Chris M and the like. They actually turn up and put their money where their mouth is. If you want us to take you seriously then you should follow their example or shut up.<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>yet more waffle from Mr Brassett
<strong>Its interesting how much time you boys spend on this forum, <p>''You only come here because you have nothing better to do''<p>as someone else who did'nt matter once said
as someone else said in the past
</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Ah. So you're the new Ronnie Duke are you? Yes, I remember seeing him having a go at another Enfield fan by butting into a conversation and getting the wrong end of the stick. And don't forget he buggered off and left EFC fans alone within a week. Are you going to do the same?<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Strange sig for someone whose Avatar is the SAVE badge and doesn't go to either Enfield or Orient week in, week out, but still...
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Bring on the slagging
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Forever</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Still not SAVE forever then? Not Orient forever either as you stopped going there. And not Enfield forever either because you stopped going there as well.
Actually I could get really pedantic and point out you can't be anyone forever.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Scootle:
<strong>NONE of them had anything bad to say about anyone but Mr.Lazarou.
BFN.</strong><hr></blockquote><p>So selling the ground and keeping the money isn't BAD then ?<p>So,promising to give the club to the supporters then going back on the deal because he wants a pub on the site of the old ground isn't BAD then.<p>So, sacking the manager and then saying he resigned isn't BAD then. He was sacked, proven in court I believe.<p>ETFC fans dont slag off EFC supporters, only SAVE supporters and those who don't get both sides of the story. <p>I suggest you talk to real EFC supporters and real ETFC supporters to get a balance view. Although both sides take the mick out of each other its usually done good naturedly.<p>Both set of supporters respect each others views and the way they have dealt with it. I don't know for sure but I suspect that most EFC supporters have litte time for Papa Laz either. They have just chose to deal with it in a different way.<p>THM

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You said it<p>''Actually I could get really pedantic and point out you can't be anyone forever.''<p>Explain<p>Bring on the slagging
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Forever<p>oops forgot SAVE forever as well (well until something better comes along)

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Freebird - I think he just means that none of will live forever; we are what we are only until we die.<p>Cue discussion of afterlife, reincarnation etc...<p>(BTW have you seen the message I put on your 'Gordon Brasted' thread on the ESL forum?)

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by The Horse's Mouth:
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So selling the ground and keeping the money isn't BAD then ?
So,promising to give the club to the supporters then going back on the deal because he wants a pub on the site of the old ground isn't BAD then.
So, sacking the manager and then saying he resigned isn't BAD then. He was sacked, proven in court I believe.

ETFC fans dont slag off EFC supporters, only SAVE supporters and those who don't get both sides of the story.

I suggest you talk to real EFC supporters and real ETFC supporters to get a balance view. Although both sides take the mick out of each other its usually done good naturedly.

Both set of supporters respect each others views and the way they have dealt with it. I don't know for sure but I suspect that most EFC supporters have litte time for Papa Laz either. They have just chose to deal with it in a different way.

THM</strong><hr></blockquote>




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