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Perhaps you should read it again and see just what a fool you look.
What I mean DUH horses mouth is that the ONLY person that they DID say anything bad about IS Mr.Lazarou.
GOT THAT?He was the only person who they blamed for the current plight of EFC.And based upon what they told me,I formed MY OWN OPINION of what you and your freinds did.
UNDERSTAND?
I'll bet the spell checker on your PC works overtime.
Why oh why did they close Friern Barnet?

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I accept my mistake. <p>Actually I noticed it as soon as I wrote it. "I was hoping you wouldn't"<p>However, the rest of my note still stands.<p>Speak to the people actually involved before slagging us off.<p>THM

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Rule one when criticising someone else's spelling: make sure your own is up to scratch.<p>"i before e" particularly in "friends" images/icons/smile.gif" border="0

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Why indeed, Scootle old fruity, why indeed. It's made a lot of people homeless. <img src="graemlins/images/icons/confused.gif" border="0" alt="confused" />

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by The Horse's Mouth:
<strong>I accept my mistake.

Actually I noticed it as soon as I wrote it. "I was hoping you wouldn't"

However, the rest of my note still stands.

Speak to the people actually involved before slagging us off.

THM</strong><hr></blockquote>
If I speak to you or anyone else from EITHER club I am hardly going to get a balanced view am I?
No way Jose.
Anyway,I think we've worked this topic to death so lets just agree to differ.
In closing,I think you all need your heads banging together.Very hard.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Freebird:
<strong>You said it<p>''Actually I could get really pedantic and point out you can't be anyone forever.''<p>Explain
</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Erm... you weren't around at the time of the Big Bang (or whatever else you may feel brought the universe into existence) and you won't be around when it finally disappears (and there is also the theory that there was something else before it and may be something else after it) so you will not be around forever. So you can't be Enfield, Orient or any other club you deserted forever.

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Verry sorry but you do not know if anyone here at present was not here at the begining and you can not say that we will not be here at the end as the end in not yet here so leading for that when the word forever the person would mean there forever and not everyones forever that is taking into account that they may mean forever as they were here in the begining and shal be here forever as they know when its all going to or may be going to come to and end.<p>and as it is more than not likely that that person would not make themselve known to all around you can not say that it is incorrect for me to say forever<p>apologise for the spilling dont Kare anymoore<p>
Bring on the slagging
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???????<p>THM

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CHRIST ON A BIKE!

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Wow - I really should've read this thread before it was two pages long. I'm sure it started off with the discussion of Lazyrue bringing Enfield FC home (HAHAHAHA) but now we seem to be talking about the word 'forever' and what it means to certain people, and I am also sure we touched on the creation of the universe. <p>Lets bring the discussion back to football lads.

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Hear,Hear!

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Sorry about that LR but it was to easy<p>Cast the line, hooked a Cyclops, and reeled him in.<p>Back to football<p>On the ground front how much as ETFC got to do with the Brimo announcement in the Gazette. As they never seemed to be interested in developing before you go there.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Freebird:
<strong>Sorry about that LR but it was to easy<p>Cast the line, hooked a Cyclops, and reeled him in.<p>Back to football<p>On the ground front how much as ETFC got to do with the Brimo announcement in the Gazette. As they never seemed to be interested in developing before you go there.</strong><hr></blockquote><p>You're talking [****!!****], Mr Deserter (and metaphysical ones at that).<p>As for the ground, I imagine a lot of it has to do with the fact that they never got threatened with losing senior status before and they've been a bit wary of discussing ground improvements recently since a certain Mr TL got involved the other year and tried to take the place over.

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Scootie,<p>Humour me if you will and consider the following scenario.<p>You've been following the Mighty Millers home and away since you were four years old. You have never supported another club. You have experienced many good times, not the Premiership by any means but good times nevertheless. A few years ago a new Chairman takes over at the helm with exciting new ideas and promises, things are looking up and within a couple of season you win your league, something you've been striving for for years. However, you are denied promotion because the new man in charge has failed to keep proper financial records (passed off in public as problems with the ground). You enter into a ground share with a rugby club who knock down one side of your ground, bugger off and leave a pile of rubble because the new man in charge didn't make sure there was a water-tight contract.<p>Then there is talk of a ground move, to a site just outside the borough. Not ideal but the plans look nice and anyway the new man in charge PROMISES that the ground wouldn't be sold without the backing of the majority of the supporters. Slowly attendances dwindle because of decreasing ambition of the Chairman but the hardcore remain, loyal because it is their club.<p>All of a sudden the ground is sold. Hang on, when (as a supporter) was I asked my opinion and wouldn't it be wise to ensure a new ground is in place before you move out. But of course, the plans for the new ground. Ah, that falls through too. All of a sudden there is turmoil at the Millers. You grumble and you are angry of course but what can you, the humble supporter, do? The Chairman moves you to a groundshare with a Club in your division, some way away and with poor transport links, kills off your magnificent Football in the Community Scheme and loses any respect he had left. However, a fans favourite is in charge of the team and things for the remaining support aren't too bad, there is a lot of talk of a move back to the borough and SURELY it is just a matter of time before the Millers are back where they belong.<p>Hold on, just when things aren't looking too bad the fans favourite is sacked, and someone in charge of a struggling team a couple of divisions below you is brought in.<p>That's it. You form a Supporters' Trust to lobby the Chairman. The Chairman doesn't go to games any more of course, hasn't done for ages but the Trust meets up with him and thrashes out a deal. Yes you, the Millers supporters will be taking over! It won't be easy but you've secured a VERY small percent of the money made from the sale of Millmoor and you have your League status. You fell you'll be able to attract the finanacial support of the people of Rotherham. Optimism is high!<p>Oh dear. The Chairman has backed down because he doesn't fancy it. Why should he consider an annoyance like the Millers' support? No, it'll be better if he stays indefinately, gradually asset stripping the club until there is nothing left but a shell of the once great Rotherham United F.C., fighting a perennial relegation battle and with absolutely no hope on the horizon.<p>But surely someone will come in and buy Rotherham off this tyrant! Buy what? The name? the status? Surely the only two assets.<p>You could carry on following them of course, not enjoying your football and despairing about the demise of your beloved Millers.....<p>OR

Of course, what you could do is get 90% of the support on your side, start Rotherham Town a few divisions below, put in place realistic plans to be at the level of the mighty Millers in five years time, and all pull together and enjoy your football once again. Once Rotherham United dies as it most probably will you will become bigger and better, safe in the knowledge that provision have been put in place that such a debarcle could never occur again.<p>
Just an idea.

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London SE7,Similar situation,Charlton FC formed?NO.
London SW19,Similar situation,Wimbedon Town formed?NO.
The fine city of Chester,Similar situation,Chester Athletic formed?NO.
Brighton,Similar situation(Almost identical)Brighton & Hove United formed?NO.
The fans of these clubs had the loyalty,the passion,the wil, the staying power and the PATIENCE to stick it out and see things through.
You lot?No way.
In non league terms,you had far more ups than downs.With my club,up until Mooro came,we were asset stripped by chairman after chairman,board after board and mis managed by a succesion of managers.
Is there a Rotherham FC playing in the Unibond?
NO!and nor will there be.
EVERY genuine football supporter that I have spoken to in the last week or so agrees with me,and no matter what colours you try to dress it up in,the fact remains that you've been disloyal an d self centred.
And before anyone says that that's exactly what TL was doing,I know he was.But do 2 wrongs make a right?NO!
Thanks for taking the time to reply in so much detail,but you really needn't have bothered.It's nothing that I havn't already been told,so you wont be persuading me to alter my opinion of what you have done,for in the words of a well known cartoon character,YOU'RE DESPICABLE>

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Scootle:
<strong>London SE7,Similar situation,Charlton FC formed?NO.
London SW19,Similar situation,Wimbedon Town formed?NO.
The fine city of Chester,Similar situation,Chester Athletic formed?NO.
Brighton,Similar situation(Almost identical)Brighton & Hove United formed?NO.
The fans of these clubs had the loyalty,the passion,the wil, the staying power and the PATIENCE to stick it out and see things through.
You lot?No way.
</strong><hr></blockquote><p>The situations at Brighton and Chester aren't really the same because the charimen of those too clubs were replaced. Until Terry Smith went, Chester fans were seriously considering what we had done and were looking at the feasibility of following a similar course.
Wimbledon fans are still considering following a similar course. If Tony Lazarou had fulfilled his promises (even just the last one, when he promised to hand over control of the club to the supporters), then there wouldn't be an Enfield Town FC because we wouldn't have felt we needed to take the action that we did.
There are differences of course. Fans of League clubs reforming would have to drop further. Also, in the case of Wimbledon and even Charlton when they were groundsharing, there are two factors which are totally different to what happened at Enfield.<p>1. The grounds were/are still there. The Stadium has been knocked down and redeveloped &#8211; with amazing haste considering the rumours that the ground was contaminated with mercury (but that's another issue and is an Enfield Council/Laing's thing &#8211; that bit is nothing to do with TL).<p>2. They didn't start signing players who couldn't hack it in the division they were in and just hoping the two or three good ones who were left would be good enough to avoid relegation. In fact the team spirit and loyalty that the players showed at Wimbledon to Joe Kinnear are similar to the way the Enfield Town FC team play and feel towards Jim Chandler.<p>We tried patience. It didn't work.

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1.Sealand Rd was sold long before the Deva Stadium was even designed and even longer before Terry Smith became chairman.
2.When the Goldstone ground was sold and the move made to Priestfield,the chairman-whose name escapes me at the moment-was still in place.
I know what went on at Brighton,I was working in Shoreham and living there for 4 days a week at the time,and if you look into it you will see that the situation that the fans found themselves in was virtually the same as the one which you found yourselves in.
Also,you may or may not know that it was only this week that the club managed to rid themselves of the old chairman when a consortium including Norman Cooke aka Fat Boy Slim,bought up his remaining shares.
My final word on this subject is this,and I am expressing my honest opinion,not what someone has coerced me into believing,
I think that Mr.Lazarou originally had good intentions for the club,but when he saw what he believed to be an opportunity to make a fast buck out of your club,greed took over and and there was no underhand manoure he wuldn't make,no lie he wouldn't tell,no promise that he wouldn't back away from to try to get his ownway.
Words cannot describe the contempt that I have for him and his ilk,and that will never change.
The terribly sad thing is that by taking the action that you have,you are no longer in a position to do anything about him and sadly,unless there is a major developement,ie a new ground within 2 years,one of the greatest names in non-league football will cease to exist and be replaced by what I consider to be a very poor imitation.
I bid you all fairewell,and I hope that it all comes together and that above all,that the game of football is not the eventual loser,as it surely will be if the name Enfield FC ever ceases to exist.
Goodbye.

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I'm bored of this. I don't particularly care for being told that forming ETFC is wrong by an outsider who has been around for five minutes and thinks he knows it all. EFC and ETFC supporters are at their current position through choice - they don't need someone browsing this board for a few days telling them what is right and what is wrong. <p>The Faithful has written an excellent scenario and if Scootle doesn't get it, then tough. No, don't bother writing me personal messages saying your opinion is right and every ETFC follower is wrong. You've obviously made your mind up and nothing anyone says will ever change that. I don't want to know what you think of the matter like you would not care for my opinion on your woes at losing today.<p>Good luck to the Enfield FC boys and as for ETFC, maybe it is time for us to start writing about our matters on our own board. That way we cannot be accused by outsiders of stirring anything up. I suggest this Scootle chappie also does the same thing.

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Well Well Well<p>I spend a couple of days off the site and someone else really give the subject a bashing<p>all interesting a most very true<p>
dont feel so sad My Cyclops your just becoming a sad loser.<p>by the way this being unregistered is it the non conforming thing again.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Scootle:
<strong>My final word on this subject is this,and I am expressing my honest opinion,not what someone has coerced me into believing,
I think that Mr.Lazarou originally had good intentions for the club,but when he saw what he believed to be an opportunity to make a fast buck out of your club,greed took over and and there was no underhand manoure he wuldn't make,no lie he wouldn't tell,no promise that he wouldn't back away from to try to get his ownway.
Words cannot describe the contempt that I have for him and his ilk,and that will never change.</strong>[QUOTE]<p>I agree with the above right down the line. You forgot to mention, though, that he isn't good enough at what he has done. I don't think he was a good businessman and I don't think he has what it makes to be a good crook either.<p>[QUOTE] from Scootle...
<strong>The terribly sad thing is that by taking the action that you have,you are no longer in a position to do anything about him and sadly,unless there is a major developement,ie a new ground within 2 years,one of the greatest names in non-league football will cease to exist and be replaced by what I consider to be a very poor imitation.
I bid you all fairewell,and I hope that it all comes together and that above all,that the game of football is not the eventual loser,as it surely will be if the name Enfield FC ever ceases to exist.
Goodbye.</strong><hr></blockquote><p>The problem is that our staying wouldn't have stopped that happening.




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