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Ten people suspected of being involved in one of the UK's biggest people smuggling rackets have been arrested.
The 10, held after dawn raids on addresses in London and Lincolnshire, are alleged to have smuggled thousands of Turkish Kurds into the UK.

The above is an item from BBC news this morning, although illegal immigrants have been posted to the back shelf of late lets at least consider two issues

The cost of the thousands upon thousands of illegal immigrants

The shear arrogance of a government that has lost control of our borders and could not care less
This particular mob have smuggled in thousands who have all gone to north London, bet there is no labour minister living close by simply working class north Londoners with the last links to their traditional past in cultural terms fast fading away

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If they're illegal, presumably they cost nothing as they're not entitled to anything (except the cost of sending them back!)

The fact that they're illegal suggests that legislation exists, therefore a government sometime has done something.

Perhaps it's the police, customs or immigration people that need to look a bit sharper - but at least they caught this lot.

Where I fancy we might agree is on the point suggested by your thread title: I don't think many people would disagree that any person found living in the UK illegally (or attempting to enter illegally) should be despatched whence they came, immediately and regardless of any other circumstances. By definition they have broken the law of the land. You do get a horrible feeling that there will be a long drawn out process of appeal and further appeal, all grant aided, with the alien living on benefits of some kind all the time - and with the loonies starting support groups to campaign for them to be allowed to stay. Blimey pabird, I'm getting as bad as you and Unc.....

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[quote]The Invisible Man said:
If they're illegal, presumably they cost nothing as they're not entitled to anything (except the cost of sending them back!)

Sorry to disheartened you both but normally social services picks them up and pays their bloody rent!

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Therefore social services are aiding and abetting criminals and should be locked up! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Seriously though, how do you get ss money without NI numbers and everything?

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Different to the Dept of Work & Pensions. Monies set aside in the councils budgets for this sort of thing. Unfortunately we have a duty at each Council to home some.
They have no recourse to Public Funds ie Job Seekers Allowance on I/S. They have to be presented as homeless by government.
Others have to have ninos and workers registration certificates or have their own finances.
See so many now at work. Lots from Poland at present.

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We are talking about illegal immigrants here, aren't we? Not asylum seekers or refugees, or applicants awaiting a decision? Actual criminals that creep ashore off snmall boats or come in in the backs of lorries and stuff? Presumably Poles are allowed to be here, being European now?

Gawd help us. Why is it, I wonder, that they come all the way across Europe and shun, if not pooh-pooh, all the lovely countries they pass through and choose the shores of old Albion? Must be because we're such nice people, or they're fond of mist and drizzle......

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wotcha Vis...see the lovely Paula is off work again (she never uses her employers airtime) <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

the answer to this one is simple...they are all criminals and should therefore be repatriated from whence they came....

all of 'em.....there's enough problems in this country without taking any more on...

one of my offices was burgled on saturday evening and about 60 grands worth nicked....enter plod for 5 minutes 12 hours later to inform us....'this will go on file as another unsolved crime..there is no chance of finding out who did it as we do not have the resources'....

as a test of this stance I rang the plod to tell them (ansafone) that we think we know who did it and would they please telephone me back...so far this week we have not heard from them...

this country is a disgrace in the way that bliar and his nationalist socialist thugs run it and yet still the 'loptus like' electorate go to the polls and reinstate him to his 'presidency'

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Four years past I managed an all Essex service based in a Chelmsford industrial estate
Over a period of 12 months we had circa £94k worth of tools and plant stolen, each break in and theft we called in the police and got the same answer Unc got
Eventually I made that much noise a superintendent made a visit un-announced, On spotting our "super" I asked the question "what do you want" he replied that he was concerned at the attitude taken in one of letters and wished to have a look for himself
Having had a look I asked what he would do in the immediate future and he replied, "I think my staff are achieving all that is possible"
I told him his officers had declared to a man that the pikey camp half a mile from our depot was responsible but the police did not enter said camp
After telling the "super" I had better things to do I requested he leave our premises but please do not speed in doing so as half a dozen coppers were hiding in the bushes within one mile of our estate
Looking for easy nicks
Our "super" had no sense of fun and immediately left

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Hiya Unc - yes I know all about these council workers! Nearly as bad as bloody students!

Not only do I fully agree that ILLEGAL immigrants are criminals and should be packed off home with no frther ado (I said so above) but I genuinely cannot follow any reasoning to the contrary. I was astounded by the news covergae of the incident pabird refers to yesterday, as it seemed that we were being invited to see these criminals as victims, and to feel compassion for their plight at being stuck in a lorry for several days and stumping up 5 grand for the privelige. I ask you! Who made them do it - they bloody PAID for it and knowingly broke the law!

Whether you can wholly blame this, or any one, government, is more questionable. It strikes me as more of a drip-drip effect of right-on pseudo-politics that's been building up since the 60's. It is a fact though that our European cousins have little truck with the generous hand-out system that we have (I know someone who knows about these things...) so HMG cannot claim they are simply abiding by EU laws.

Rant rant rant..... well Town lost at home last night! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />

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Well, our little town centre has the usual regular Saturday night ruffianism, damage caused to shops and what is fondly called the bus station. Naturally there are loads of letters to the local Bugle, Pubwatch scemes set up, publicans armed with little radios, anguished cries of how did we come to this, what is to be done and so on. Yet the cop shop is less than half a mile up the road.

Why don't some nice big burly coppers prise their backsides off their office chairs, put their paperwork aside, postpone some Outreach Initiatives or whatever they do, clock up some overtime and hang about - sorry patrol - areas of KNOWN naughtiness at KNOWN times? They could either deter or catch the miscreants, you know, as they're paid to do!

Bit too radical a policy I suppose.

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Interesting thought..............

The (old) Ministry of Agriculture can identify in seconds where an infected sheep or cow may be, due to animal registration.

The Home Office admit that there may be 'thousands' of illegals in this country, but they know not where !!

Is it time the (old) Ministry of Agriculture took over the running of the Home Office ???

(I believe it's called DEFRA now !)

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Why don't some nice big burly coppers prise their backsides off their office chairs, put their paperwork aside, postpone some Outreach Initiatives or whatever they do, clock up some overtime and hang about - sorry patrol - areas of KNOWN naughtiness at KNOWN times? They could either deter or catch the miscreants, you know, as they're paid to do!

Taking your comment above and your doubt as to why we should blame this government Invis we have to blame a government that has been in office whilst the situation has worsened from sad to drastic and whilst public opinion has declared itself clearly to be "had enough"
Typically we have had blind mans bluff with threats to close our borders and the norm with our PM taking responsibility in a photo call to personally get involved

so far!! Diddy squat, as usual

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The statistics show that crime is actually reducing, slightly.

Small consolation however if you happen to be one of the reducing statistics that gets attacked by youths armed with planks of wood... the 19 year old perpetrator of that crime only got 6 years, his two 16 year old accomplices got 3 1/2 years each, I believe. That's the judiciaries fault, not any government.




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