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You can't seem to accept that smoking is dangerous, even all evidence points to that fact!


I can accept it, and am aware of it. You seemed to have missed the point that I was making. I said it has been proven it isn't as dangerous as some are wanting us to believe. I never said it wasn't dangerous at all. And, what does saying 'All smokers produce secondary smoke, which affects people, but not all drinkers are aggressive to people' have to do with me talking about it being socially unacceptable to tell someone he or she needs a shower?

There are far more places (at least here) that are completely non-smoking than there are that allow smoking. If someone is mortally offended by someone smoking, by all means, they should wander into one of the places where smokers aren't allowed. What is the point of choosing a place where smoking is allowed and sit there all high and mighty, moaning about someone smoking, when it would be easier to go into a place where smokers can't smoke? I've noticed some people seem to have a need to have some sort of drama, even if it is sitting in a public place that allows smoking so he/she can gripe about it, when he/she could go to one of the non-smoking places and sit happily breathing fume free air.

I agree 100% Big JR! Cancel curry and the world would be a breather-friendly place. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Over here many public places are still all smokey. Happily there are very few workplaces that are not smoke free now, although it took a few years tio get there, and it took major fires before public transport and footbal stadia (depending on the stand) became smoke free.

As far as I am aware, and I am not a medical researcher, the "it's not as bad as they say" "research" was ultimately funded by (surprise surprise) tobacco companies and has been shown to be flawed. Funnily enough it took many years for the tobacco industry to give uo trying to deny the link to cancer.

Don't misunderstand me, I don't care in the least whether anyone else smokes or not, or whether they drop dead from it or not. The information is there plain enough and it's your choice. But I do object to the arrogance and inconsiderate smoker (a minority of them, I hasten to add) who insists on their "right" to smoke in a confined place where other people consort. Why should other people have to find somewhere else to go to avoid them? If they want or have a need to smoke they should be th eones to find a convenient place to do it.

So there.

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In that case, the eating of Curry should be banned !

That'd cut down on unpleasant emissions, and loads more people would have to buy greenhouses !


AH................That's what they mean by greenhouse gasses.......... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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So there.


I don't think I have ended a passionate argument for my side of a debate that way since I was 9 years old.

Breathing the supposedly 'clean' air in any industrialized area is far more dangerous than going to any pub and breathing around smokers. I still support my argument that if you don't want to breathe around smokers, don't go to pubs that allow smoking when there are plenty that don't allow it. Sit with other non smokers in a non smoking building and then there is no worry about what might happen to your health.

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The "so there" was what we call an attempt at mild humour, intended to lighten the atmosphere a little.

No, there aren't plenty of pubs that don't allow smoking, I do not know of any basic basic pubs that don't. Larger chain restaurant pubs usually (if not always) have smoky and non-smoky areas.

Perhaps I should make clear that we are not only talking about health here. I believe that smokers genuinely do not realise how unpleasant their smoke is to others and how the acrid fumes make the eyes and throat smart, even across a very large space. I fail to see why people should have to go out of their way to avoid the results of the actions of others.

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Smoking is one of the main causes of cardiovascular disease, one of the biggest killers in the UK. Smoking is as bad as they say it is. The research is there to back this statement!
A number of smokers are arrogant when it comes to others safety, as they feel it is there right to smoke anywhere they want. I have seen countless people smnoking in no smoking areas, which really pisses me and many others off.

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The "so there" was what we call an attempt at mild humour, intended to lighten the atmosphere a little.
So was pointing out that I hadn't said it since I was a kid.

Smoking in an area designated as non smoking is rude, I agree. But if we are herded into a back corner (where the smoking sections generally are) and treated as a lesser species anyway, why not let us sit in our little spot and do what we are told we can do there? Not all smokers are arrogant. Most of them I know or have seen out in public bend over backwards, so to speak, to try to make life easier for non smokers.

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if we were born to smoke we would have had a chimney attached to our heads,

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if we were born to smoke we would have had a chimney attached to our heads,

Exactly, well said that man!

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And if we were meant to drink beer, we would be designed to crawl intead of walk..

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better carried Moo

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And if we were meant to drink beer, we would be designed to crawl intead of walk..


You must have been peeping last night, Moo !!

I would NEVER smoke in an area designated as a non-smoking area !

However, I get really p1ssed off with people telling me how to live my life.

On a point of interest, me and 'Er Indoors popped into our favourite local yesterday afternoon for a pint or three.

On entry, eight people present in the bar. ALL smoking.

The land-lady said if she was forced to enforce a no-smoking rule, she would be out of business in weeks !

Q.E.D.

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Nope, not peeping. I just know that is the way it goes sometimes. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Why would anyone want to start smoking in the first place? It is a dirty habit!

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Why would anyone want to start drinking in the first place? Being falling down drunk and acting stupid but not remembering it the next day is stupid.

Why do men want to pass wind as a hobby when they are together? It is a nasty habit.

Why does anyone want to bite their fingernails? It is a nasty habit.

Why does anyone want to start any habit they have?

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Why would anyone want to start drinking in the first place? Being falling down drunk and acting stupid but not remembering it the next day is stupid.

Why do men want to pass wind as a hobby when they are together? It is a nasty habit.

Why does anyone want to bite their fingernails? It is a nasty habit.

Why does anyone want to start any habit they have?

Most of these habits don't kill people indirectly! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

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Weapons and chemicals kill people, yet they are both multi-national industries !

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Drinking can cause cirrhosis of the liver, among many other health problems that could either kill you or damage your body.

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Drinking can cause cirrhosis of the liver, among many other health problems that could either kill you or damage your body.

That is very true, but they don't cause health problems in other people who don't drink.

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*Lights up and ponders that statement* When someone has a drinking problem and doesn't take care of his or her family properly, it can cause all sorts of health problems for the people, especially children, in the family. If meals aren't cooked, the house is left filthy, etc, it can cause health problems. So yes, drinking can cause health problems in other people who don't drink.




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