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Ah yes and A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

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If this so called "Merger" is going to happen, it will be without me & many others Towners.

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Spitting your dummy out wont change peoples opinions my old dutch. If the council was to say theres the stadium now go and sort if out amounst yourselves WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THEN !...LET ME GUESS - Sod this I'll stay at brimsdown with my fellow other towners . "Wake up woman" opinions have and are changing..... Just for the record WHY DO YOU HATE E F C so much ,strange as you know most of the people there.

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I supported the idea of a breakaway club to recapture the feel good factor on the terraces I enjoyed as a youngster & youth, I wanted my son, a supporter since the age of 4, to enjoy his Saturdays as I did, whilst Lazarou was at the helm selling everything in front of him I could not see this happening, however after that 1st awful game against Brimsdown Rovers I did wonder if id made the right decision, but since then we have enjoyed a fantastic 4 years.
I have nothing but admiration for those who stayed & kept EFC going and with Lazarou gone I see no reason if the council found us ground for a new stadium not to become one club.
Personaly I find it absurd for a Town the size of Enfield to have two teams playing at the same venue posssibly in the same league, as others have said I look forward to the future days of locking horns with the likes of Woking again, as much as I enjoyed the "Cherry Red Books Trophy", (and oh what fun it was) I wouldnt want to go back.

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This is one reason why a merger could not happen! The bitter resentment of those who stayed and those who left.

Interestingly, how could you merge the histories of TWO clubs who were operating at the same time. Honours, appearences etc. not on really - so perhaps the only real option, in any merger is another fresh start.

I am not suggesting a return to the ESl or whatever but a FRESH start with both clubs operating under a fresh banner. But then again would either club be prepared to give up its achievements. EFC have done superbly to continue and all credit to them. I certainly wish them no ill will as everybody knows. ETFC have done superbly well to achieve everything they have in such a short time. Would they be prepared to give it all up - again i dont think so.

So what are you left with.

Continuation or a fresh start.

Personally I would prefer continuation. I genuinely feel that too much has gone for those concerned to work together. I also do not buy the fact that there is only room for one club. If one gets stronger and the other weaker so be it. If EFC return to the Borough then good luck to them. If both clubs ground share then good.

I also note with interst that some people say the club should be called Enfield. Why?

I think a merged club would again have to be called something new to go with a fresh start. After all would it matter - it would still be ONE club in Enfield. But again would either side be prepared to give up their name.....

Now perhaps we will find out how people REALLY feel about one club in Enfield....

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I think all Town supporters are very proud. Just as we were proud of being EFC supporters in the past.

May i restate that i would only vote yes to a merger under strict criteria.If it doesn't happen, i believe Town still have a great future and i will continue support them forever,but i believe that success would come faster and be easier to achieve as a united Enfield.

I also have to say that if the clubs do not merge ,i hope Town become stronger and bigger and become the ONE team in Enfield (sorry EFC fans, but i'm trying to be honest)

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Steph

its not about lacking ambition its about financial reality, the hrdest part would be finding the site and financing the building of a new ground.
i dont believe carterhatch lane would be viable as it appears that a stack of cash would be required in order to bring the ground up to a decent level of safety, then there is access. with that area already chocker block + more houses going up it would be crazy.
anyway i'm off to russia now to find me a billionaires daughter.
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......I also note with interst that some people say the club should be called Enfield. Why?

I think a merged club would again have to be called something new to go with a fresh start. After all would it matter - it would still be ONE club in Enfield. But again would either side be prepared to give up their name.....

Now perhaps we will find out how people REALLY feel about one club in Enfield....

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Exactly, could not agree more Jim, Enfield Borough for example, both clubs keep their unique history & move forwards.

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If this so called "Merger" is going to happen, it will be without me & many others Towners.

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Spitting your dummy out wont change peoples opinions my old dutch. If the council was to say theres the stadium now go and sort if out amounst yourselves WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THEN !...LET ME GUESS - Sod this I'll stay at brimsdown with my fellow other towners . "Wake up woman" opinions have and are changing..... Just for the record WHY DO YOU HATE E F C so much ,strange as you know most of the people there.



Me theinks you miss the plot me Old China. Lets get one thing straight shall we. For a start I fought long & hard to "Keep the E's in Enfield", & when it was taken out of our hands, it was put to the "vote" & ETFC was born. This is old history & I don't see why it should be dragged up yet again.

Since the formation of ETFC I still have worked just as hard as have other memmbers of my family to get ETFC where it is today. I do not know what sort of role you have at EFC, but do you turn up at the ground at 11.30am on Matchdays & not leave till 7.00pm? Turn up on Sundays Mornings to make sure that things will run smoothly for the next home game. Spend many hours during the week organising catering, Mascots etc. I know what you will say, blowing your own trumpet, well maybe I am. I like the way things run at ETFC, it is a family club & thats the way I like it. I don't want to go backwards.

Don't get me wrong. I loved my time at EFC as well, but once we were forced out of Southbury Road, the Magic died. For your information I know hardly anyone at EFC now.

As I said before if it goes to the vote & there is a Merger it will be without me. People are entitled to their opinions, what will be will be.

I would be interested to know what would happen to the Ladies, Youth Teams etc, when would they play?

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If this so called "Merger" is going to happen, it will be without me & many others Towners.


Why?You supported EFC before the split.You support ETFC now.We are ENFIELD supporters.What we have created at the Town is a great base,it something special and reminisent of the old club before Laz.Why would you not want to incorperate other ENFIELD fans into the set-up we have at the Town.Both clubs that you have supported past and present will be reunited.

I've a feeling that some people at the Town are very happy in their roles, happy to keep the club closeknit and for it to have a family feel..etc.Its very cozy.But when i voted to form the new club, it was to try to recapute the glory days and to once again reach the top of non-league football.i believe this can be best done by uniting football in Enfield.

Look at Wealstone,Look at Maidstone,look at Dartford. Those teams regrouped long before Enfield Town,but they are all still plodding along in the middle ranges of the pyramid with little chance of recaputing their past glories. I don't want that to happen to Enfield Town.


I support Enfield Town FC & Not Enfield FC, This is my opinion only & I am entitled to it.What is wrong with it being a Family Club, I thought that was the idea, to encourage families along. That is what I am trying to achieve any way. We have to walk before we can run & I am pleased with the progress that we have made so far. If we are patient we will get to where we want to be, but not overnight.

I think it is more important to get behind the team & help out where needed on Matchdays etc to enable us to reach this goal. I am sure some people think there are a bunch of Magic Faries who get things ready for Matchdays. These people are the same whingers who come on these forums moaning all the time. If its "OUR CLUB" you should all be willing to help out should'nt you?

Well I think thats enough Soap Box Action from me!!!!!

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Why shouldn't a merged club be a family club? It would certainly need the small army of devoted volunteers to run it that all clubs need.

Why shouldn't the Ladies and Yuth continue as they are now - I don't see any difference except that the whole club would be stronger.

I also used to support EFC, but now I support ETFC. One of the reasons for the split has gone, the other remains, so while EFC play outside the borough WE have no need for a merger. If EFC wanted it, fine by me. While they're at Ware they are no concern of mine.

Yes, if they came back, the borough could support one club at Step 5, 4 at a pinch, with the other at Step 1, if they were there already. The lower one would never progress - like Brimsdown, Cockfosters or Southgate. But it wouild be very hard for either to progress FROM Step 4, and both would end up like that.

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Hi Gill, I was dissappointed that you didn't send a mascot to the enfield v town match ,Depriving some kid of representing his/her club on an historic occasion was in my opionion unnecessary and spiteful, And can I ask you why you refused to attend the match itself. It does appear to me that you do harbour some kind of gripe towards enfield f c . I doubt things will ever right themselves but at least leave your Lazarou ghosts in the past . I have always respected you and dave and I will always considor you friends . See you easter.

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Gilli.

1. Your point about where the ladies,and youth teams would play, is irelevant.The ladies would play on the home pitch,as happens now, and the youth team would play where they play now.The fact that we might not have to groundshare with another team,could free up the way for a reserve team as well.

2. We all appreciate the work that you do at the club and all the others that help out,but those of us that just turn up and put money through the turnstile every week,and just buy a programme and just buy numerous 50/50 tickets and golden goal tickets and just buy shirts and hats...etc,should NOT be criticised and told to help out more.

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Top gun.As you know, Gilli has been very unwell,and can only attend matches if she feels strong enough to do so (as such she has missed quite a few games this season), so the attack on her was a bit below the belt,in my opinion.

It seems you may now be harbouring bitter feelings towards the club you once supported,just because of the comments of one or two people at the town (who in no way represented the vast majority of us,when they made those comments).If so, isn't that slightly 'unnecessary & spiteful' on your behalf?

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Hi Gill, I was dissappointed that you didn't send a mascot to the enfield v town match ,Depriving some kid of representing his/her club on an historic occasion was in my opionion unnecessary and spiteful, And can I ask you why you refused to attend the match itself. It does appear to me that you do harbour some kind of gripe towards enfield f c . I doubt things will ever right themselves but at least leave your Lazarou ghosts in the past . I have always respected you and dave and I will always considor you friends . See you easter.


Hi Tony

The reason I did not attend the game is simple, I very rearely go to any away games now as I find it too tiring since having had my Transplant. I am okay at home games because it is very near to where we live, plus I can always stay in the Board Room if it is too cold or I get too tired.

Regarding Mascots. we very rarely take Mascots to away games for the same reason.

As I said in a previous posting I do not hold any grudge/gripe, call it what you will against Enfield FC, I just do not wish the 2 clubs to merger, is that a crime.

It seems to be a bit of a vendetta against me at the moment, and I don't know why. I am only voicing my opinio which I am entitled to do.

I think you should know more than any one else how dedicated I am to ETFC & was at EFC. Football is a very important part of my life.

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Point taken gill thanks for responding.I apologise if my post seemed resentful .Glad to hear your well on the road to being your old self.

Lovely stuff there is no animosity towards enfield town from me or anyone at efc .In fact you'll find a drastic change of opinion . The christmas party demonstrated that with ALL fans from both clubs being invited. I did P M you the reasons I stopped going to brimsdown and they were private . I now hold a position at E F C as minor a role it is and I do enjoy helping out where I can. I may pop my head round the door from time to time. And I hope Enfield Town do go up. As you tend to pop into wodson park now and then why not pop into the bar and have a chat sometime. As I have previously told you I have twigged your I D so theres no need to hide .

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I remember the old days at Southbury Road as Im sure many of you do. Back then we were a team to be reckoned with and if we can get a decent ground in the Borough Im convinced that a merger would be the best thing for getting football in Enfield back where it belongs. Not too much water has passed under the bridge and dont we all want nights like Leyton Orient back? Some people need to take the blinkers off and move forward, but first we need the ground...

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An absolute pre-requisite for any coming together would be that both parties would have to be solvent, debt free and trading without restriction.

I believe that might be a difficulty. There can be no suggestion of one set of supporters being asked to bale the other's club out.

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its not about lacking ambition its about financial reality, the hrdest part would be finding the site and financing the building of a new ground.
i dont believe carterhatch lane would be viable as it appears that a stack of cash would be required in order to bring the ground up to a decent level of safety, then there is access. with that area already chocker block + more houses going up it would be crazy.
anyway i'm off to russia now to find me a billionaires daughter.
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I have no doubt that given the ground facilities by the council - after all they took them away - with bar profits and reasonable rent Enfield could sustain a club at conference level or higher. There are lots of precedents - Barnet, Yeovil, Kidderminster, Scarborough even Wimbledon have all progressed to senior levels.

There is a lot of talk of youth crime, community spirit in politics and vandalism and yet a community football club creates a sense of identity which remains with many posters to these boards. The council has to recognise the value of that community identity and seek to foster it.

Now I think that a merger is the only way forward however it can only happen when EFC recover the ambition that they once had.




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