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I'm a Towner but some of you Es who still have connections in the Town may be interested in the following:

Spurs have submitted a revised planning application for a First team Training Centre and Academy Facility on 23 hectares of Green Belt land immediately west of Myddelton House in Bulls Cross. The revised plan for the main site still shows a massive building complex of 12,000m2 compared with the existing sports pavilion of 700m2 which is to be demolished. There has been some reconfiguration and the footprint of the complex has been slightly reduced, but the academy wing and the first team wing now wrap around the south and east sides of the covered football pitch; so there is a building mass with a length of 108m x 125m with a height of up to 9m. The maximum height of the covered pitch is 10.5m and with floodlighting columns 15m high it is difficult to accept Spurs' contention that nothing will be visible to the public,
especially form the elevated postion of Forty Hall.

Why is it that the Council feel happy to help the team from down the road yet they do little to help our team in it's own borough? If you are concerned about the plans or are simply frustrated by the inequality of their approach to the two clubs situations you should send your objections to the Council.

This massive private and commercial development is situated wholly within the Green Belt. It is within the Enfield Chase Area of Special Character, mostly within the historic Forty Hall Estate and on land which formed part of the 16th century deer park of Elsyng Manor House; part of the site is within the existing Forty Hill Conservation Area and the Character Appraisal for this Area, commissioned last year by the Council, recommends for all the above reasons, safeguarding this area by extending the Conservation Area to include all the remaining land under threat from Spurs.

Please send in objections to:-

Mr D Snell, Environment, Street Scene and Parks, London Borough of Enfield, PO Box 53, Civic Centre, Silver Street, Enfield EN1 3XE, quoting Reference TP/06/0735.

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Please go away with your N.I.M.B.Y. views.
Enfield Council has quite a poor record when it comes to looking after the interests of local sports teams and surely any reversal of this trend can only be benificial to all sports teams in the borough (or at least originally from the borough). Look at it this way; if there is a massive groundswell of opposition to Spurs' proposed development it will give Enfield Council the impression that the general populace of Enfield are opposed to sporting development of land in the borough. The consequence of this is that any future applications to develop existing facilities or build new ones will almost certainly be turned down flat even if there is only minimal (or even no) resistence from the locals to what is being asked for as the Council will think that they are serving the wishes of their residents. Hence, nobody will be able to build a damn thing in the borough.
I think the idea of opposing the Spurs development on grounds of the problems Enfield Town have encountered is petty, childish and most importantly counter-productive.
As for the conservation issue; would you be bothered if the facilities being built were for Enfield Town FC? I doubt it. Let's face it it's an area of land which currenlty is used by hardly anyone in the borough and were it put to a use which could benefit the community as well as the club which Spurs have always made clear they intend to do, I personally see no problem. After all it's better that than yet another development of flats and/or another bloody supermarket or retail park. If Enfield Council are seriously considering this proposal, you have to wonder are they willing to listen to offers to develope that area of land in general and whether the Spurs development is by far the lesser of numerous potential "evils".
I think Spurs putting their academy in the borough can only be positive for sports in the borough as it raises the profile and will hopefully show that such projects can be housed in the borough with minimum disruption to the locals.
Yes, I support Spurs but to be honest I'd support the move were it Arsenal or West Ham moving there.

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Can you belive this guy? He calls himself '1FinEnfield' - This would be a great username if he was a Towner - I don't think he understands the irony. There is only one 'F' in Enfield and I'm afraid it's not EFC is it? Why don't you change your name to '1WinWare' ?

As for your comments about NIMBY views, I would not be in favour of this development if it was for Enfield Town due to the impact on the green belt land.

One 'W' in Ware! Ain't that the truth!

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There is only one F in Enfield. There is also only one F in Enfield Town; thankfully.
There is apparently at least one W in Waltham Cross as well.
Considering that if you live in Waltham Cross as your profile suggests you don't even live in the Borough of Enfield, I would suggest that you butt out of matters that don't concern you and leave those of us who reside here and pay our council tax here to determine what if anything is built in our borough.
There is a certain irony inthis situation isn't there? You live in Hertfordshire and support Enfield Town who play in Enfield, whereas I live in Enfield but support the team located in Hertfordshire.

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I live in Enfield Town and work in Waltham Cross! I chose to follow Enfied Town becase they are my home town club. If your EFC came back to EN1, 2 or 3 I would still stand by the Town as we really are the true team of Enfield and the borough.

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In what sense are you the "true team of Enfield and the borough?". Granted due to the misdeeds of our previous dodgy chairman we are now in exile but I'd say that over 100 years as Enfield's premier football club(apologies to Brimsdown Rovers and Cockfosters but you know it's true!) as compared to what 4 or 5 years of existence mark us as the genuine article and not you.
We shall see if you always remain in Enfield or whether when you have the kind of history that we do, you too are forced into exile for a relatively small portion of your existence.
I have lived in Enfield since 1975(when I was two!) and also chose to support my hometown club. When I was a kid there was only one Enfield club and I followed them. They haven't ceased to exist and so I still show loyalty to them.
Real fans don't desert a club in it's darkest hour to form a splinter club, they stick by their club when it needs them most.
I eagerly await their return home to Enfield at some future date but I will never accept any substitute for the real thing. You can't manufacture or replace the thirty odd years of supporting a team and caring about their fortunes with a poor facsimile.

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I supported Enfield FC for over 20 years.Most Town fans supported them for much longer than that.When Enfield FC fans voted over-whelmingly to reform,in order to save football in Enfield.Most of us abided by the dicision of the Enfield fc fans.(Not Town fans,a democratic vote by ENFIELD FC fans and officials)

Without that dicision.There would be no football left for the people of Enfield to watch.Plus,the dicision forced Lazarou to relinquish control of Enfield FC.

I regard Enfield Town as the truer blood-line to the old Enfield fc,both in terms of fanbase,officials,location,ambitions and values...etc.You regard the current Enfield fc as the truer blood-line.Lets agree to disagree.I think that either side should look for, or seek the moral high ground.

Also remember, that on average, every Town fan has spent 10 times longer watching Enfield FC that the current Enfield fc fans ever did.

I am still on the side of a united club.I believe it will happen in the future (whether that is in 5 years or 50 years).

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I have lived in Enfield since 1975(when I was two!) and also chose to support my hometown club. When I was a kid there was only one Enfield club and I followed them. They haven't ceased to exist and so I still show loyalty to them.
Real fans don't desert a club in it's darkest hour to form a splinter club, they stick by their club when it needs them most.
I eagerly await their return home to Enfield at some future date but I will never accept any substitute for the real thing. You can't manufacture or replace the thirty odd years of supporting a team and caring about their fortunes with a poor facsimile.


This is probably the most elloquent case for supporting the original Enfield I have read on this forum since I joined nearly two years ago. We will only know about the importance and true spirit of the two clubs several years from now. Who knows, we may come back together by then.

I look out for the results of EFC as soon as I get home from watching the Town. I've even been known to watch your boys in Ware when we're not playing. I hope EFC survive in whichever guise it is. I fear that if the clubs do not come together over the next couple of season's we never will. I am almost certain we will not go up next season and I'm sure EFC will find it even harder to make an impact in the tough division.

We are clearly the strongest team at the moment but we also need more fans through the turnstiles. We must get more of the glory hunting Spurs and Gooner fans along to our games.

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you lot still rowing about enfield!!!

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I know. It is so boring isn't it!!?? Time to move on again methinks!!

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reminds me a bit about the 100 year "f*ck off back to south london" campaign that has been going on with spurs !!!

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Well they should. Arsenal are the original MK Dons, selling out on their Woolwich faithful and pitching up in our backyard. Disgusting.

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they just left to make more room for charlton who were a bigger club,and still are!!

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would just like to say a big unlucky to the Arsenal last night! was nice to see campbell crying like a baby!!!!

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In what sense are you the "true team of Enfield and the borough?". Granted due to the misdeeds of our previous dodgy chairman we are now in exile but I'd say that over 100 years as Enfield's premier football club(apologies to Brimsdown Rovers and Cockfosters but you know it's true!) as compared to what 4 or 5 years of existence mark us as the genuine article and not you.
We shall see if you always remain in Enfield or whether when you have the kind of history that we do, you too are forced into exile for a relatively small portion of your existence.
I have lived in Enfield since 1975(when I was two!) and also chose to support my hometown club. When I was a kid there was only one Enfield club and I followed them. They haven't ceased to exist and so I still show loyalty to them.
Real fans don't desert a club in it's darkest hour to form a splinter club, they stick by their club when it needs them most.
I eagerly await their return home to Enfield at some future date but I will never accept any substitute for the real thing. You can't manufacture or replace the thirty odd years of supporting a team and caring about their fortunes with a poor facsimile.
spot on mate we had the same thing at my club we were away for 10 years but we are now back where we belong,hopefully the same will happen with you and all the deserters will regret their decisions im sure <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" />

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Don't interfere in things that you know nothing about mate.

9 posts ever and ALL commenting on the same subject.

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i obviously know something about the subject and having friends in enfield im kept up to date with things ,also i have as much right to post on this football clubs forum as you do seeing as it isnt youre club either

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Don't interfere in things that you know nothing about mate.

9 posts ever and ALL commenting on the same subject.
People are entitled to their opinions lovely stuff, Just because you dont agree with the gentleman dont mean he cant have his say.

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keep on and he will call you a pinko for not bowing down before his 'wisdom'

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would just like to say a big unlucky to the Arsenal last night! was nice to see campbell crying like a baby!!!!



its called passion and being upset coz he didnt win a trophy,something he never had the pleasure of experiencing at tottenham!!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />




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