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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Tom S:</font><hr />
I was there on Saturday - my first EFC game since the split. I was shocked by what I saw. Someone has said it was the worst result for at least 10 years. From my memory it was the worst result since Runcorn (0-9) which, I think, was March/April 1989. I don't think the team has let in seven since then.

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In all honesty we were shocked last season when we won 6-0 at Meadow Park. We were the Enfield's biggest gate at that point in the season (mid-Novermber) with a paultry 137 of which probably 60 or so were Hendon fans. And to top it off, we inflicted a 6-0 defeat (and the club's biggest Isthmian League defeat over the E's - unthinkable a few years back.

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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Hendonboy:</font><hr />
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Tom S:</font><hr />
I was there on Saturday - my first EFC game since the split. I was shocked by what I saw. Someone has said it was the worst result for at least 10 years. From my memory it was the worst result since Runcorn (0-9) which, I think, was March/April 1989. I don't think the team has let in seven since then.

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In all honesty we were shocked last season when we won 6-0 at Meadow Park. We were the Enfield's biggest gate at that point in the season (mid-Novermber) with a paultry 137 of which probably 60 or so were Hendon fans. And to top it off, we inflicted a 6-0 defeat (and the club's biggest Isthmian League defeat over the E's - unthinkable a few years back.

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Ah, that game (like Saturday's) was one of those where nearly everything you tried just went in the back on the net - including an og!

Remember what happened afterwards, we went some 8 games without defeat! Let's hope history repeats itself.... backlashes often occur following heavy defeats. (Hope I'm NOT tempting fate here!)

It may have been "unthinkable a few years back" but you've hit the nail on the head.

We're not the same Club - yes, we have the history and tradition which, to be honest is probably a mill stone around our neck - and we won't be until we have a home of our own again ... a place where the opposition fear to tread! It WILL happen!

A lot of hard work is going on behind the scenes (cheers Terry) and a useful young squad is being built and a reserve setup is being put in place for next season. And yes, the odd heavy defeat may be inflicted along the way because of this (ie young players and no reserve team where experienced can be gained and any injuries/suspensions cause havoc like in this precise moment in time). We must be patient.

Even AF @ MU, despite the millions at his disposal, didn't have any success for, what, 4 years ? He was on the verge of getting the big heave ho - and look where they are now.

We WILL be back - the boys will come good - just give it time.

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Del

I don't recall any out-of-order comments from my group of four and I didn't see any other townies there. Would you care to elaborate (in a private message if you'd prefer)?

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I did hear one in the second half saying that "what's was wrong with you"? didn't hear the answer and then "well fu*k it it's not our problem anymore, let them sort it out"!!! O.k maybe so but if it's got nothing to do with you (whoever said that I dont know) then why turn up? if town's your team watch them!!! if you have not got a game dont come if it's not your problem!!!!!!

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Doesn't ring any bells at all, but I'm not going to make an issue. I consider those people who were my friends before the split still to be my friends and I want to keep it that way. And if I get the chance to meet up with them on neutral territory (ie an away game) I'll take it.

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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Degsey:</font><hr />
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Hendonboy:</font><hr />
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Tom S:</font><hr />
I was there on Saturday - my first EFC game since the split. I was shocked by what I saw. Someone has said it was the worst result for at least 10 years. From my memory it was the worst result since Runcorn (0-9) which, I think, was March/April 1989. I don't think the team has let in seven since then.

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In all honesty we were shocked last season when we won 6-0 at Meadow Park. We were the Enfield's biggest gate at that point in the season (mid-Novermber) with a paultry 137 of which probably 60 or so were Hendon fans. And to top it off, we inflicted a 6-0 defeat (and the club's biggest Isthmian League defeat over the E's - unthinkable a few years back.

<hr></blockquote>

Ah, that game (like Saturday's) was one of those where nearly everything you tried just went in the back on the net - including an og!

Remember what happened afterwards, we went some 8 games without defeat! Let's hope history repeats itself.... backlashes often occur following heavy defeats. (Hope I'm NOT tempting fate here!)

It may have been "unthinkable a few years back" but you've hit the nail on the head.

We're not the same Club - yes, we have the history and tradition which, to be honest is probably a mill stone around our neck - and we won't be until we have a home of our own again ... a place where the opposition fear to tread! It WILL happen!

A lot of hard work is going on behind the scenes (cheers Terry) and a useful young squad is being built and a reserve setup is being put in place for next season. And yes, the odd heavy defeat may be inflicted along the way because of this (ie young players and no reserve team where experienced can be gained and any injuries/suspensions cause havoc like in this precise moment in time). We must be patient.

Even AF @ MU, despite the millions at his disposal, didn't have any success for, what, 4 years ? He was on the verge of getting the big heave ho - and look where they are now.

We WILL be back - the boys will come good - just give it time.

D.

<hr></blockquote> ..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................derek,the fans have been promised progress(ie-new ground)without any results,for the last 4 years..why should we believe the club now...a vaugue hint that terry is in talk's with the council,is not enough.....well done terry for trying,but surely it should be up to the chairman/board to negotiate a new ground,not our NEW manager....also if the talk's are involving site's such as the QE stadium or picketts lock,THAT other team from the bourough will be staking a claim for the same site's as us,and the way the coucil regard lazarou,i think we can guess the outcome...the truth is we connot progress without a fanbase...the only way of rebuilding a fanbase is to build a ground in the borough,and for lazarou to leave the club(i won't hold my breath on either of them)...even then it will take years to rebuild.

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Over the years it has alway been said Enfield no longers have a fan base, but crowds at Southbury Road were up in the 500 and 600's only half that number are turning up to town games so where are the rest. We were even in highers figures than that in the past, where are they now.

Just a thought but what if there are people out there that did not want to travel all over Herts and Middx to watch Enfield so stopped watching, it may be the case that going to the town was not what they wanted to do either.

A ground in Enfield for EFC may bring people back, who knows its just a though, I know three people who watch town at home but dont travel away they would all rather be watching EFC, but they enjoy watching footbal close to home and at present town suit the bill as do Brimo when town are away

this was all just a though what do other think, try not to turn this into a slagging match



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In the spirit of debate...

As you rightly say, from 500-600 in the good old days we went to around 200 just before the split.

That has now become 200-250 regulars at Town and maybe 75 (being generous?) at EFC. So that means there are around 100 more than two years ago but around 250 less than (say) ten years ago.

My feeling is that if EFC came back to the borough under Laz you might pick up some of the 250 but I don't think many would switch back from Town.

Coming back without Laz, I don't know.

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Tom,

There are at least 75 members of the supporter's club. I think the amount of paying people supporting EFC on home match days averages around 30-40. This is obviously not great.

But I think the point about the 'missing' fans is a valid one, Town hasn't attracted all EFC fans. Indeed of the 250 average gate you get, you probably have even attracted some new fans. So maybe, with regards to past EFC fans who transferred to Town, you might be attracting only 200 ex-EFC fans each matchday.

This still poses a question of where those missing numbers are?

I think (and let's face it neither of us actually know for sure) some have probably started going down highbury or the lane. Others might be using Saturday's for family stuff etc etc.

What I think is definite is split loyalties. There are loads of Town fans who still watch EFC when they can (and obviously vise-versa).

And correct me if it's wrong, but I was told by a mate who's been down to watch Town both this season and last season that he thinks the numbers have dropped this year. Maybe because promotion wasn't secured? Maybe because the standard isn't great? But let me reiterate - these were his words not mine.

I think the one certainty is that by establishing a second Enfield club the fan base of both clubs is affected - especially when you consider that Spurs play just down the road and it's easy (if not expensive) to get matchday tickets.

Yeah, yeah, only one of the teams plays in the borough at the moment -but that misses the point a little when you consider that those fans still supporting EFC are generally from the borough and have choosen to stick with the club, they are, therefore, potential Town fans that Town is failing to attract.

What I'm getting at is that having two clubs at the moment just about works. But if EFC were to get back in the borough, what then? First point, EFC would only attract more supporters - they wouldn't lose any. Secondly, where would those extra supporters come from, well I think you'd find some of those missing numbers coming back and maybe one or two Town supporters - although this is more unlikely as the supporters would become more entrenched and loyal to their respective clubs.

The whole Town/EFC debate is a little boring. What's happened has happened. The only way the whole thing becomes relevant again is when EFC get back home. So we'll have to wait for that.


nb - if you're gonna reply, don't just slag everything out. Let's keep it sensible

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I can't disagree with much of what you say.

Home attendances may be slightly down but not by much.
What is noticeable is that fewer are travelling away - possibly the 'groundhopper' effect: they've seen us play at the grounds once and won't go a second time.

As you say the next key stage is if EFC gets a new base in, or closer to, the borough. My feeling is still that our 200-250 is fairly solid: we may lose a few but not many. I may of course be totally wrong.

And can I just say that I have never slagged off EFC or its remaining supporters and don't intend to start now. I have problems with only one person there.


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sorry, what I meant at the bottom of my last post ('...don't just slag off...') wasn't directed at you Tom. It was a general comment directed at those who use the messageboard just slag without sense.

By the way, I'm not sure what the Town's fixtures are over Xmas. But maybe if you're at a loose end you could get down to one of the four home games EFC have got over the festive period...

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Four home games? Blimey, how did you wangle that one?

Sorry, but I've said that I won't go to EFC home games while Lazarou is still in charge. Away games I have no problem with (apart from getting to them...) so if there's a chance I may well do so, if only to see whether Hitchin was a one-off.

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I have been a supporter of EFC since 1986 but after the split(which I made the mistake of voting for) I have only attended 3 games.I can't bring myself to watch ETFC as I feel that would be disloyal to the E's but living in Milton Keynes, I won't make the effort to come to matches when those who run the club are making no effort to bring the club back to Enfield.It hurts so much to see what was once the best team in non-league now become just another park team. More people go to watch games in the SSML.EFC is dying and only a merger with ETFC can really save it, although I think the club will go bust before then. The truth is, who can run a team on gates of 250 ave in this division and also hope to move into a ground of Ryman Prem standard.The £ just isn't there.

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gates of 250 average? since when?

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i would like to no how and where you got your attendence numbers from i also live in mk and supported the es since the 60s i still go every week i agree with you but you still hope that something will come out of this <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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I guess 97 might be a bit nearer the average but some of the gates surprise me, I guess some teams bring good away support. I go to watch Northampton a lot now, but Enfield are still my team and i will come back. I actually went to the game vs. Bishops Stortford 2 weeks ago-they send the game was definitely on!I have been to Hayes & wealdstone this season,one thing i definitely promise is I won't go and see that team at brimsdown! I didn't know there was other E's supporters out this way, I know of a guy who used to travel from Coventry and another from Hemel but I haven't seen them since the split. I don't want to be totally negative about this, if E's can somehow move nearer to Enfield (brimsdown,Cheshunt,Norsemen,QE2,Barnet etc.) gates will increase I'm sure.I went to most of the games the first 2 seasons away from Southbury Rd.,and the support the club got then was fantastic, esp. when some games were switched from 1 ground to another. Personally I have no problems with Borehamwood although I here this is our last season there.It might seem like I'm rambling here but I don't like paragraphs! I would prefer to see EFC minus TL play at alower level than see them go out of existence. By the way cobblers(NTFC) have just been takenn over by a property developer lwith rumours of looking to move the club to Milton Keynes. sound familiar!
Here's hoping a bright future.Your mails have given me new impetus!

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sorry I should have made it clear last post was sent by me(MkJames)

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one thing i definitely promise is I won't go and see that team at brimsdown!

I would prefer to see EFC minus TL play at a lower level than see them go out of existence


Glad to see you ain't contradicting yourself, Matey !!
Obviously your inner self knows what is the right thing to do !!

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I have no gripe with ETFC, I still believe that somewhere along the line a re-formation between the 2 clubs is possible. All the blame for the current state of affairs is obviously down to 1 person, no prizes for guessing who.In the meantime good luck on your quest to win the ESL, I see Chandler has assembled a fairly useful squad.I'm glad we don't have to face you this season, it could be quite embarassing.

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I have no gripe with ETFC, I still believe that somewhere along the line a re-formation between the 2 clubs is possible. All the blame for the current state of affairs is obviously down to 1 person, no prizes for guessing who.In the meantime good luck on your quest to win the ESL, I see Chandler has assembled a fairly useful squad.I'm glad we don't have to face you this season, it could be quite embarassing.


It is soo refershing to here from someone who refuses to see ETFC but does offer good wishes for our league campaign. Thanks for your wishes and good luck to you too. You are right. all the problems are down to one person who should have been dropped into Iraq a long time ago!




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