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Well we haven't been relegated in the last 5 years. We haven't been suspended from a league in the last 5 years and we have won more pots than Enfield.

yeh and we dont get sued in court <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

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I see you still have a problem with civility. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" />

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May be so ,but at least I dont have a serious personality defect like you. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />

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Hi Steph nice to see you again. I was watching sky sports news last night and saw that Sailsbury were playing Enfield F.C but for the life of me couldnt see your game up there!!!
I thought surely that a club that dont run no more are playing in a big F.A Trophy game, at a side two leagues above us, with a crowd of 2,000 plus, would never make it on the t.v, but sure enough there we were.

Enjoy Canvey 2morrow wont you.

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Yes!

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Yes!
<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/afro.gif" alt="" />You c@ck, hope you enjoyed your 3-1 drubbing by the mighty Canvey, <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bootyshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bootyshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bootyshake.gif" alt="" /> applause:well done the real Enfield great effort. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/applaus.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" />

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This post has been an interesting read, mostly for the wrong reasons but some for the right.

I have very fond memories of watching EFC at Southbury Road - and away of course. My first match was in 1977 against Tooting & Mitcham and I am pretty sure we lost 0-2.

So many memories and so many good players. I doubt I will ever see the quality of players like Noel Ashford, Nicky Ironton, Tony Jennings, John Tone, Carl Richards, Paul Furlong, Andy Pape at this level again, whether at EFC or ETFC - which is an enormous shame.

Enfield is I think the second largest London borough in terms of size, and it deserves its own football club. EFC are that club but by not playing in the borough, they can not represent the borough.

As we all know, whether we support Leyton, Ilford, Rebridge, EFC, ETFC - a football club is FAR more than just the first team. A properly structured football club is a social network for all. It provides opportunities to play or watch football at all levels, ages, gender.

EFC has a rich and proud history, but until it returns to a pemanent base in Enfield and is able to provide that football network, I can't see how it can possibly progress. ETFC has estblished the network but it too needs a permanent base of its own, within the borough.

In my opinion the body to blame for this mess is Enfield Council. The opportunity to have a first class stadium at Southbury Road, hosting top quality non-league football AND rugby at the highest level, was lost when the Council rejected the planning application to redevelop the Southbury Road stadium and chose instead to sell it off for housing.

Yes I know Lazarou did most of the prompting, but the council should have looked at the bigger picture, seen the obvious benefits of having EFC and Saracens play at an improved stadium and pursued that option. What a mistake that was - and we all continue to suffer as a result.

I sincerely hope that I see a suitable stadium in Enfield either built from scratch or redeveloped from existing over the next few years.

Reminiscing back to the mid 90s when Enfield won the Alliance Premier / Gola league for the second time with a FANTASTIC squad, I recall a midweek home match against Altrincham I think it was. I think we won 3-0 but I know it was the win that clinched the championship for us.

Had there been automatic promotion in those days to the then Div 4, we would have gone straight into the football league. Of course we didn't, but my abiding memory of that match against Altrincham was the home crowd - about 600 or so I think.

Our attendances back then averaged about that number. My point being - should a permanent base ever be re-established in the borough, there is no way the fanbase is there to support two clubs. So should a stadium ever get built, EFC and ETFC should merge / re-form (cue howls of protest ....)

Ironically, now ticket prices for the likes of Tottenham and Arsenal are so high, I suspect a top quality non-league football team in Enfield would comfortably attract crowds of over a 1,000.

But we are where we are. I guess I return to doing what quite a few of us do, dreaming about how to spend that lottery jackpot and re-establishing / improving our club (whoever it may be).

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brilliant points bjr your a credit to the town more like this please

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Good post bjr.Totally agree with you about the shamefull actions of Enfield council in their total lack of support for sport in the borough ,and their willingness to sell their souls (and large chunks of OUR borough) in pursuit of the Yankee Dollar .Mostly in order to fund their own hairbrained ideologicaly motivated pet projects.Jeff Rodin is still heavily involed in the council. He should have been run out of the borough years ago.The man is a self serving menace,and his part in selling the boroughs crown jewels including its football club, should never be forgotten.

The part of bjr post that i disagree with slightly, is his comment about fanbase numbers.In the mid-80's EFC average about 700.They averaged 850-odd in their Gola winning season.These figures we amongst the highest at the time for the Gola/Conference.In the 90's under Borg/Roberts EFC averaged that same sort of crowd even though we were not in the top tier of the non-league pyramid.

EFC's fanbase was always slightly ahead of Barnets.The B's were averaging about 500 during the 80's and before.Their fanbase built up only with their improved onfield performances under Fry/Flashman.There are also many current conference clubs that have secured large average crowds from virtually no crowds at all in the past.Grays,Accrington,Stevenage,Rushden,even Woking...etc.

The population of Enfield is far bigger than most of those areas. To suggest either Enfield team wouldn't get big crowds if they were playing in the conference (and in Enfield) is folly.Enfield has a bigger population than many football league clubs,and probably one or two premiership clubs.
I even think that the two clubs (if permanetly based in the borough and with their own grounds) could both attract big crowds if on-field success came their way.At present,the chance of either team having their own ground or progressing to the conference is very unlikey,but that is down to many other factors(both past and present),rather than small potential fanbases.

Saying that,i accept a single club representing the area would have a better chance of progression,and i would myself, personally like to see a SINGLE Enfield team playing in their OWN Enfield based ground. I am one of the minority (from both clubs,it seems) that would like to see a re-merger of both clubs and both sets of supporters into one being at sometime in the future.The worst case senario would be for both teams to plod along in the lower to middle reaches of non-league football for the rest of time.The borough of Enfield deserves better.Enfields past great players and fans deserve better,and so future generations.

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As I have said before, an Enfield 'United' would be a great thing. However, given the two different constitutions and the history with Lazarou I just cannot see it happening. I could not see the ETFC Supporters' Society agreeing to let any one individual or group take control given what happened with Lazarou. At the same time, I cannot see Steve Whittington giving up his control of a football club considering the money he has put in. Why should he? I certainly wouldn't!

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It depends whether the current Chairman of EFC is running the club as a self serving exercise (a harsh assumption),or because he wants the best for the club and because he wants future success for Enfield.
Is losing some ultimate control (but not necessarily a place on the board or even as chairman), a sacrifice worth making in order to possibly reunite and bring the prospect of top flight football back to Enfield ? Only EFC's current owner can answer that question.Although most people who seek to own football clubs ,nearly always feel that they themselves and their way ,is the best way to achieve success.So i don't hold out much hope either at the present time,especially as there is no major fan groundswell from either club putting pressure on their respective boards.

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Shame, because a united club with a united group fans behind one club would have far greater say with the powers that be in relation to a new ground in the Borough.

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I reluctantly went along with the formation of Enfield Town on the basis that it would take money out of Lazarou's pocket and force him to relinquish control of Enfield. At this point with Lazarou gone the two clubs would merge and we could all set about rebuilding Enfield Football Club in the Borough. Unfortunately two things have happened:
1. Mr Whittingdon and others stuck with EFC and kept the club from going under.
2. In the meantime Enfield Town has been in existence long enough to establish it's own identity.
Had Lazarou gone and EFC gone under, then there may have been scope early on in Enfield Town's existence for the fans to resurrect EFC and cast aside the stop-gap that was Enfield Town.

As has been noted above there are huge possibilities for a football club in the Borough. The trouble we now have is that there are two clubs fighting over the same resources (fans & land). Whichever club obtains a ground (of their own) in the Borough will be successful. Is it realistic to think that both clubs will eventually have their own grounds in Enfield?

For the good of football in the Borough the clubs should put egos and constitutions to one side and think about how an Enfield team can get back to the top of the non-league game.

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Top post BJR . We were all reluctant to do the unthinkable .Its something I was never proud of . Lets just recognise the fact that both sides need to sit down and talk , The split appears to have driven as many supporters away than what watch both sides put together .I for one would welcome a One club Enfield again someday . Many of us seem to have lost sight of the fact that one mans mismanagement and total arrogance brought this situation about. Agree about Enfield councils part in all this .It beggars belief .

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Yes we were all very reluctant to 'do the unthinkable'.It was not a decision taken lightly by anyone.I for one (and i know most Towners agree with me),am proud that we took a stance,returned football to Enfield and forced Lazarou to quit EFC.Just as those that stayed are proud of sticking with EFC through thick and thin.But yes, the situation at present is not ideal.

I'm sure many agreed with the formation of Town in order to achieve two clear goals.To force Lazarou to quit EFC and to once again play in Enfield.As a collective we acheived those two goals.But i'm also sure that a significant amount of people who agreed with the formation of a new club were under the assumption that once Lazarou finally liquidated EFC and buggered off into the sunset,we would once again re-unite as one club.Mr Whittington's consortium taking over the club and keeping the club afloat scuppered that dream.But he was well within his rights to do so,as we had relinquished all rights to the affairs of the club at that moment in history.

Where does that leave us.As time passes from the formation of Enfield Town fc,so the history,bonds and self indentity of the new club grow to such an extent as to make any coming back together of the two sides,less and less likely as time passes.On the other side EFC have their new set up at Ware.The club are settled,the fans reasonably content and seemily happy to carry on as they are doing,for the foreseeable future.That is not a conducive recipe ,on either side, for a one club solution.

Its strange that on EFC forum,it is exclusively Town fans who are debating this issue.I would have thought,if anything, it may be in EFC supporters interest more than Towners, to discuss this issue.

Do any EFC fans actually look favourably on the possibily of a united Enfield in the future??



PS..The spilt did NOT drive many supporters away.In our last season at Boreham Wood before the split.We were averaging home attendance of less than 300.Some times less than 250.It reflected a year on year decline in fanbase.At present the two clubs combined home gate is about 400.

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Shame, because a united club with a united group fans behind one club would have far greater say with the powers that be in relation to a new ground in the Borough.


Agree 100%! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/applaus.gif" alt="" />

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Shame, because a united club with a united group fans behind one club would have far greater say with the powers that be in relation to a new ground in the Borough.


Agree 100%! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/applaus.gif" alt="" />
Me Too <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/applaus.gif" alt="" />

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with a combined club you could be nearly as big as honrchurch,but not quite! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Enfield FC we are the pinnacle of Amateur football for 40+ years.Produced the two finest sides ever to play non-league football.Won the Conference.FA Trophy's.European Amateur cup.Still hold the record for Engand semi-pro caps.Beaten many League clubs in the FA cup.Played in front of 70,000+ in Amateur cup finals.In front of 35,000 HOME fans in the FA cup.

That is a big club my friend.Not one who had a brief forray into the heady heights of the conference on the back of a sugar daddy. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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i will claim that as a bite,easy!!!




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