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Could anybody tell me what time the kick-off is, on Saturday, against Hayes.

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The same as every saturday 3pm

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Thank you. I wasn't sure, as this is the first Season that I have been involved with EFC. My son plays for the U16's, and some of the boys want to support the first team.

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Why don't you get them to come and support Enfield Town Football Club. The boroughs top senior level team that plays in the borough!



now that should spark off a few rows on this forum!

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I'm not so sure about that- we have the tradition and the league status, and if we can make it back to the borough, then who knows. Certainly our attendances would rise,obviously not up to our previous levels, but i don't think it's an exaggeration to expect 300- 500 for games,which is enough to be competitive.Follow the E's-you know it makes sense! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />




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This has been debated several times before on this forum, understandably. There are a few pretty big "ifs" there MKJ!

Tradition - hmmm, technically yes. But with little or no continuity of directors, supporters, players or even ground, the club is not recognisable as the EFC we all usd to support.

League status - welll yes you are in the Ryman Premier at the moment, and frankly recent form does suggest that survival is more than possible. However, is this sustainable in the medium and long terms, in the present situation? Presumably we can assume that EFC has not applied to join the possibly extended Conference next season? While EFC is almost certainly not going upwards, and in all honesty it looks like being a constant struggle against the drop, ETFC have all the potential for promotion.

If you can make it back to the borough - that's about the biggest "if" of all in the short/medium term, and has been discussed here at length. Location and funding are the main points, followed by timing. Clearly nothing will be ready for next season, and it is unlikely that a new stadium could be in place for the following season either - there are all the planning issues to consider. So in the meantime....? Next season?

It is interesting to speculate on attendances if you do ever make it back to the borough. Much would depned on whether Laz is still at the helm. Where will these 3-500 people come from? Most of the old EFC support is now with ETFC. Clearly a number refuse to watch either ETFC or EFC outside the borough and/or with Laz on board. If either or both of those cold be rectified, then yes, many would return. Then of course there will be new support, but this will be in competetion with ETFC, premiership clubs and Sky Sports. But 3-500? Maybe, but I'm not convinced - especially if you are not in the Ryman Prem by then.

All of which is complicated by the uncertainty about non-league restructuring.

We can but wait and see!

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Why would my son and his team mates want to go and watch a team that plays in some little Essex League. A team that likes to call themselves the top team in the borough(but thats only because Enfield FC are not playing in the Borough). Mr Happy, you call yourself "The Youth Team Coach". Does ETFC actually have a Youth Team, cos according to their web site they don't.

The Invisible Man said "While EFC is almost certainly not going upwards, and in all honesty it looks like being a constant struggle against the drop, ETFC have all the potential for promotion."

With the Youth system that EFC has, I cannot see there being a constant struggle against the drop. ETFC players are not getting any younger, and they have no new talent coming through. They better hurry up and get promoted.

Enfield FC are in the Ryman Premier Division, IF EFTC get promoted, what League and Division will they then be playing in?



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Mr Happy, you call yourself "The Youth Team Coach".


That's his member level. Once you've posted a certain number of posts, you move up a level. He's at Youth Team Coach at the moment, Later on, he'll be something like First XI permanent contract or something.

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You'll all come running back when we're playing at Cheshunt or Haringey next season!!! If you don't believe me then why was there an ETFC fan at the game last Saturday? And why do you all come on the EFC forum? I'm the only E's fan who will post on yours!
Supporting EFC is like your first love, you think you can give her up but she's always their inside you,when she's finished having her affair with TL you'll be back.

But seriously... ETFC I guess are averaging 300? EFC have 50 regulars. I make that a shortfall of at least 300 from the halcyon days of Southbury Road.Those people may come back although I accept that it might need the departure of a certain someone first.The chance of playing in the borough soon is virtually nil, though Coles Park and Cheshunt Fc are not so far away.We might be able to pick up some priced-out Spurs fans also...

I've been to 2 ETFC games.To be honest the ground wouldn't be fit for the SSML Prem., so I'm surprised you think that people would rather watch what is basically park football than travel 2 or 3 miles to see non league opposition such as Canvey, St. Albans etc...

On the matter of tradition- we are Enfield FC, and that will never change, all that history is relevant. Bedford Town were folded for years, but they came back, despite their being other teams in the area(Utd.)I'm sure the same has happened in Leamington, Maidstone, Rugby, Bridlington etc...

Unfortunately, I believe that unless there is a shake-up in terms of ground criteria we will probably be relegated regardless of where we finish, though Ryman 1N is still preferable to the ESL,

So we are waiting on 6 miracles... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

1.We stay up
2.The conference forms div.2sth and the Ryman lge. changes it's ground criteria accordingly
3.TL takes us to Cheshunt
4.TL wins his court case
5.TL resigns now he has recouped some cash
6.Terry Back or someone with business knowhow takes over

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By the way I'd just like to say some of those thoughts were not originally mine, so thanks Russ and others

I agree with them though!

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Well I admire your optimism, MKJ, and good luck to you all. No-one quite knows what will happen next season if the Conference thing goes ahead, but the present system is that the Essex Senior League feeds up into Ryman Div One North. It is on a level in the pyramid with Ryman 2.

We are aware of the present shortcomings of Goldsdown Road, but by the end of this season it will be a Ryman "B" graded ground - more than good enough for the SSML. I'm not sure that the ground actually affects the quality of the football though. People clearly don't want to travel far to watch EFC do they? yet we take 100-150 or more to away games in the most obscure parts of Essex. I don't know which ETFC games you saw, and of course some games are better than others, and of course it is a lower standard than the Ryman Premier - it's supposed to be - but it is considerably better than "park" football. Some grounds in this league would be the envy of a Ryman premier club - have you ever been to Burnham? Others, it has to be said, are rather less so! Basildon and Saffron Walden are of course ex-Ryman clubs.

We actually have a number of very talented young players in the squad, which is probably about the same size or bigger than EFC's. Obviously we play the best, most experienced players available, but the youngsters get their chance and will come through in due course. Give us a chance, it is only our second season after all - reserve and youth teams are being set up.

While talking youth, my hearty congratulations to your youth sides for their cup successes by the way.

Why would someone want to watch ETFC in "some little Essex League?" Because it is their home town team, playing in their home town, and WHOLLY OWNED by the supporters, and above all it's great fun. Remember that?

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The quality of the ground isn't important to the show on offer, but i wouldn't want to go to one of your games when it's chucking it down!
Is that right that the ESL feeds straight to Ryman 1N and not Ryman 2?Does this mean that eventually Ryman 2 will be phased out. I wasn't aware of this, but at least that makes it equal.Where |I live, clubs that transferred from the UCL to the SML effectively dropped 2 rungs down the ladder because of the old Ryman set-up,which was just a little bit harsh.
I'm only basing my grounds theory on personal experience,you don't see grounds like Goldsdown Road in the top division of the SSML so much now,although many of the SSML grounds could do with sprucing up.
For the record- friendly vs.Brimsdown
MSC away vs. Hendon(inexperienced ref!!!!)
I am a Ponders End boy though so I knew the ground from the past.And I can imagine how great it must be for the fans to 'own' the club.

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Have Brimsdown upgraded their pitch, or have the rules changed now. My son played for Brimsdown, at U.9s, in 1995, and at the time there was a lot of misery there, because the First team had won the Spartan Premier League (in 92/93 I think) and because they did not have a covered stand they could not be promoted to the then Isthmian League.

Just wondered how ETFC will get on, if its still the same rules.

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Is that right that the ESL feeds straight to Ryman 1N and not Ryman 2?Does this mean that eventually Ryman 2 will be phased out.


It changed last season. Leyton won the ESL, got promoted to thr Ryman 2nd, then the two feeder leagues were moved up a rung to the same level as Ryman2. So, there's three feeder leagues (Ryman 2, ESL and the other one) for Ryman 1N and 1S. Not quite sure how that's going to work out at the end of the season, though.

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Until 2005, it's two down from each of Ryman Div 1 N and S. 2 from Ryman 2 automatically promoted, plus 2 from the ESL, SSML and CCL, depending on ground and actually wishing to apply for it. After 2005, Ryman 2 loses its automatic status and effectively becomes a county league.

That WAS the plan but it all might change, what with the Conference thing and everything....

Yes, MKJ, when it rains we get bloody cold and wet! Also the wind whistles across the field like its come from Siberia. But we're hardy souls at ETFC. I think I'm developing all-over fur.

Also it is correct that the ground is not good enough for either club to progress, which is why it is to be upgraded.

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plus 2 from the ESL, SSML and CCL,


Oh yes, I forgot the other other one.

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Well This is fun Spend a week not looking at the thing and everyone goes crazy

Ryman League Div 2 is not going anywhere as long as the clubs in it want to the part of the Ryman Set up

ETFC are not going up as the will not have the ground at Brimo ready in time April 1st is the deadline 32 days to go
and counting

The Ryman League rule with regards to promotion to the Div 1n or Div1s is not set in stone and once the 2 sides at the top of Div 2 are promoted its up to the teams in the league to vote in the other sides from the SSML ESL and CC.

If this turned out to be
Dunstable from the SSML - Ground not good enough

Entield Town - Ground not good enough - ground Sharing not allowed

AFC Wimbledon - Ground Shareing - not allowed

Then only the two sides from Div 2 would go up and only the bottom side from Div 1n and div 1s would get relegated

Even in the future if Div2 did every get dropped when it came to a vote on who came into the Ryman set up the clubs would vote in favour of their old Ryman mates over clubs from the SSML ESL and CC

That showed last season with AFC Wimbledon - when clubs at the meeting did not like what was goin on and voted against their admission, it was not a vote against AFC just a vote with there old mates

Another point promotion to the Rymans League may change next season anyway, I the Conference goes to North and South and 12 to 14 team go from the Ryman Premier all the Div 2 sides will move up into Div 1n and Div 1s to make up the numbers.

Then clubs below in the SSML ESL and CC will ned a good B grade before even getting a sniff at promotion and that is never going to happen at Brimo




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Have you seen Kingsbury Town's ground? If that's acceptable then how can other clubs be refused? And didn't Dunstable town used to be a Southern League club?

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I thought ground-sharing was allowed if it was a long-term deal. Or did I dream it?

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So we are waiting on 6 miracles...

1.We stay up - [color:"blue"] 100 % CORRECT [/color]
2.The conference forms div.2sth and the Ryman lge. changes it's ground criteria accordingly - [color:"blue"] 50/50 [/color]
3.TL takes us to Cheshunt - [color:"blue"] 0 % [/color]
4.TL wins his court case - [color:"blue"] 50/50 [/color]
5.TL resigns now he has recouped some cash - [color:"blue"] 60/40 in Favour [/color]
6.Terry Back or someone with business knowhow takes over - [color:"blue"] 50/50 [/color]




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