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  1. Originally Posted By: RA22Y
    If the MyFC takeover goes through, I'll be setting up an e-mail account so that the fans who are not members of MyFC can let me know their thoughts - listening to the fans is very important and something I'll be pushing on the MyFC forum.

    You won't be the only one pushing for that.

    You don't have to join MyFC to benefit from its purchase of the club. You can just join the Trust, especially if their shares in the club are not bought up by MyFC (at least I hope that's the case).

    The one obstacle is finding a way to get the fans' views on the club and its running without segregating the fans and the MyFC members in the process.
  2. Originally Posted By: Newark Colin (BAFC)
    Originally Posted By: rvr

    It also helps when you don't have a home club, too...


    How far is your nearest USL or MLS club? Surely there must be amateur sides in your area? My knowledge of sport in the States is pretty poor, as Harry will tell you.

    The Northwest won't get an MLS club until 2009 (with a comedian as a minority owner) in Seattle and the nearest USL clubs are 3 1/2 hours away by car, taking small forest highways for half the trip before getting onto the main Interstate (I-5) to either Seattle or Portland. I live pretty much on the coast of Washington state.

    And no amateur sides either. I truly live in an isolated spot when it comes to soccer/futbol/football.
  3. Originally Posted By: DA11
    Originally Posted By: Greg_Dyke
    Ebbsfleet will have a lot of unsold shirts in the club shop duck

    Oh contrare.

    There will be alot of people with club shirts tucked safely away at the back of their wardrobes.

    Nah, I have a fair collection that I wear around town (helps that you can do that in the U.S., where 99 percent of the people have no clue what you are wearing...) and it'll go into rotation.

    It also helps when you don't have a home club, too...

  4. Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1
    The problem with if Alan goes....You would keep one of his staff..........I believe there would only be Alan Kimble, and if you knew their history............Where one goes the other tends to go!

    Since we were dealing in hypotheticals there, I went that route. I'm not surprised, but I am pleased, to know that Daish and Kimble are a team on-staff.

    So that begs the question: Who else is on staff that would be able to fill in as an interim, if the need arises, in your opinion.
  5. Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1
    If you mean the trust question, well as there is confusion(amongst the MyfcLtd hierarchy, no less)as to whether it is a trust or not.
    Uncle Urchin is better placed to answer those questions.

    No, I meant the Fleet Trust (which I am combining all of the other shareholders' 20 percent into just for the sake of the argument). I'm referring to MyFC as the 80 percent holder, not its organization.

    Of course, the 80/20 is what has been bunted around here, so I used those numbers.

    In other words, if the 20 percent block (the Fleet Trust, which doesn't have to join MyFC at any time) were kept and not bought out and given the same voice/sat as those members in MyFC's 80 percent on the board (i.e. one shareholder, one vote, same questions posed to the members given to them and, realistically, a few others that they don't get to vote on), would that be acceptable?

    That's what I'm trying (key word) to ask.

  6. Originally Posted By: Urchins
    Forgive me for jumping onto your forum but I have been reading about this intriguing MyFC takeover and there are some things I am curious about which I'm sure that someone like doheochai or any of the others who know all about MyFC and think they know how to run a football club can answer for me.

    I'm not one of the experts, but since I just saw this, I'll give it a run to keep the discussion going. And no, I don't know how to run a football club, so I'll answer what I can.

    Originally Posted By: Urchins
    Now I always thought that the biggest bugbear for a manager (or head coach) was interference in team selection from the board. Indeed, any talk of this usually signifies unrest at a club. As I understand it, before each game a member of the board - the one representing 51% of the club ownership - will hand the head coach a piece of paper with the team selection. What makes you think that these team picks will be any better than if, say, the club chairman picked them ? At most clubs, the manager (or head coach) picks the team, end of. If he is successful he's congratulated and keeps his job, if not he is sacked or resigns. That's the way it should be in my opinion.

    I agree on the manager part. One of the choices that many of us there are asking for is a "Coach's decision" button, going with his recommendations. Even the most diehard MyFC member won't get a true sense of what is going on with the club, but the manager/coach and his staff will.

    Also, I don't believe we'll be making any choices on the team selection until the beginning of next season. There's no reason to come in headstrong and alienate more people by making a lot of changes, I think.

    Originally Posted By: Urchins
    Also, aside from team selection, who decides what to vote on ? For instance, who makes the decision to vote to sack the head coach ? How long should the vote run for ? What kind of majority is required, 51%, 75%, 90% ?? Who decides this?

    These questions are being asked right now on the forum. We, as in the members, don't know, which is pretty poor planning, to say the least.

    Originally Posted By: Urchins
    Will you be picking the youth team, or the ladies team ? What about pre-season friendlies ? Will you be voting on who to play pre-season ? will you be voting on team selections for these games ?

    The biggest surprise out of this was the youth and ladies team and what to do with them. I honestly believe they should be left alone, in terms of team selection/players/managers.

    There is a lot of discussion about bumping up the support for the development program and I'd really like to see that implemented.

    Originally Posted By: Urchins
    There will be times when quick decisions need to be made, and will need to be made by the board member representing the majority shareholders. Do you accept this, and what mechanism is in place if that representative's decision is not backed by the members of MyFC.

    For the most part, accept it. As for the mechanism, we don't know yet.

    Originally Posted By: Urchins
    Here's a scenario. You are due to play Wealdstone at home in the FA Cup. The head coach makes his team recommendations but some bright spark suggests that this will be an easy game and that you should pick some fringe players to 'give them a run out' and 10,000 others agree with him. The game does not turn out to be so easy and you scrape a draw. The replay is on Monday night. Liam Daish gets home, embarrased, frustrated and a little angry, calls the Chairman and resigns. So you need to vote in a new Head Coach (even if its temporary), he needs to post his player assessments and recommended team picks and then you have to vote on it, all before Monday morning at the very latest. You need a decision quickly - so who makes it ? You haven't got time for 20,000 people scattered around the world to assess the options and make their choices, after all you have to give them all enough opportunity to make their choice and take into account time zone differences.

    If Daish goes you could have 20-30 applicants easily. You can't interview them all. Someone has to create a shortlist. The shortlisted people need to be interviewed. You can't all do it can you ? My point is that one or a small number of people have to make these decisions, conduct these interviews etc, and so I question how much real control you have over the club.

    Since this is a hypothetical, I'll say this: If Daish resigns mid-season, I (if I had to make the decision) would keep one of his staff as an interim coach, then have the board try and turn around a new coach as soon as possible. I would imagine that the finalists would go up for a vote.

    Originally Posted By: Urchins
    If MyFC can make this work and truly turns Gravesend into a League club then you deserve the plaudits. However there are a lot of posters on here talking about rising attendances, increased revenue, rising up through the leagues, more this, better that, and I just think you have many surprises and a huge slice of reality coming your way.

    You'll have to excuse some of us in that we've been talking about this for months and have gone through a lot of the generalities of everything. Specifics, because we didn't have a club to talk about, were (and still) in short supply.

    There are a lot of unknowns to this, I'll admit freely, and probably doesn't put a lot of you at ease. But I answered this as honestly as I can, because it deserved a response.

    Good questions, some that I'll be chewing on throughout the day and this process.

  7. Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1
    Oh dear, Americans will never learn!
    How to p!ss of an English football fan..........Call it soccer.
    rvr...........When in Rome.............If you know that saying! doh

    You do realize that "soccer" is an U.K.-originated term for the game, right?

    And to go by your "When in Rome", I'm sitting in the Northwest U.S., so it is soccer. Or, do you want me to call it futbol?


    Since you seem to be one of the few Fleet fans here on this board (even though you are in New York...), would you mind answering my question earlier. I want to know what you think.

  8. Let me ask this: If MyFC gained the 80 percent and the trust/fans/others own the 20 percent and MyFC left it like that, would that be acceptable?


    And I'll add this: Without joining MyFC, those who are in the trust (controlling the 20 percent) getting a say in the club like those in MyFC, would that also be acceptable?




    To answer the original question: I live in the Northwest U.S., pretty much an isolated soccer (football) fan with no local club to support. I've followed English soccer for years and joined MyFC to learn more about it from the grassroots level, plus put my money down with a club that would do some good with it.


    Picking the team? That's what the "Coach's decision" line is for.


    My main reason is to learn about non-league football, which is unknown in the U.S. except by a hearty few, from those who are there every day. I'm a football fan and I know there's more to it in England than ManU, Arsenal and the Premier League.


    And yes, I'm certainly learning about it now, one thread at a time.

  9. Originally Posted By: DA11
    Thats where I think myfc have been very clever. With over 20,000 members, voting becomes irrelevent as there are too many. The fun part of the site is being able to talk tactics, selection etc. Get everyone to pay £35, let them think they are the managers but secretly know Mr Daish has the final say. Brilliant.

    Valid point. Just the idea of selecting the club has been given considerable debate and brainsweat on the MyFC forum.

    The main point that came out of it: Most of us would follow the head coach/manager through, unless there's something that is really out of whack.

    To have Daish as the manager/coach probably gives the "Coach's decision" button a better chance of being the only one pressed.

  10. Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars
    How many of the 20,000 have paid the three year subscription fee of £105?

    I was one of those who signed up in the very beginning, so I didn't get that option.

    However, when I renew, I'm going to hit the 2 or 3 year option.
  11. Originally Posted By: rsheard
    Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1
    You have a lot of businees acumen for a mere Postman! A bit like rsheard has as much for a mere teacher/writer.

    You might have bothered to learn what I write about before being so dismissive.

    Why would he do that? It would get in the way of his rants and diatribes.
  12. Originally Posted By: 1 F in Fleet
    Originally Posted By: rvr

    Wow, that's a picture I can help but laugh over... The ability to watch the match while pissing...

    Errr , you can't actually see the pitch from there , you just get to piss somewhere you probably don't wanna ...

    My mistake. From the picture in Cheeky Trevor T's avatar and the description, I assumed (wrongly) that that is what it helped...

    But I will take your word for it (until I get a chance to see it myself)...
  13. Originally Posted By: Stu M
    Originally Posted By: rvr

    OK, I'll bite. What in the blue (red) hell is a sniper toilet?

    Picture if you will one of those pillboxes that dotted the Normandy coastline in 1944 with nothing but machine-gun slits. Now elongate it, paint it red and white (just the once, don't ever repaint it) and then slap it in a football ground. Then instead of German soldiers, put inside lots of non-league football fans half-cut on cider and get them to relieve themselves while staring out of the sniper holes.

    Hope that was evocative enough cos it's the God-honest truth!

    Wow, that's a picture I can help but laugh over... The ability to watch the match while pissing...

    Damn, that's brilliantly funny...
  14. Originally Posted By: Mackster
    Hirsty: I'm sure I can get you a login that you can use to have a look at MyFc Forums, and you won't have to compromise yourself by shelling out £35. Just don't tell Doheochai and his minions or they will hunt us down.

    Just as long as you don't post, you'll be fine. angel

    In fact, I'm not surprised that some anti-MyFC people have already joined just to provide others an inside view as a spy.
  15. Originally Posted By: Trebor1975
    So would playing contracts, the ground etc (and all other assets) belong to MyFC or to Ebbsfleet United?

    Will budgets be set against forecasted membership or against the previous year's membership, and what will happen if there's a shortfall?

    Playing contracts and all of the assets belong to Ebbsfleet United.

    Budgets will be set on the money already there (sponsorships, tickets sold, season tickets sold, merchandise, etc) and existing membership money, not on future membership money. The rules states that we can't overspend or run in the red, so there's no shortfall if membership falls during the season. If membership falls, it is dealt with in the next budget (season), not the current one.

    I hope that explains it.

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