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Originally Posted By: Gordon T
Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin
Originally Posted By: Dave EUFC
More as we own the club? haha you are a comedian. I'm not going to get in an argument with you, but this is and should be a forum about football and most importantly Ebbsfleet United. Since you have been away thers been alot less hostility flying around and people have actually started to talk about footballing issues. Thats all i will say on the matter.

I have always sought to protect ebbs against the perils now at its doors brought about by mugs like you who didn't have the savvy to stand up to brooks when he picked the wrong club.

insularism and nerosim are good words...I shall have them elected to the oxford english....grin


Mugs like David, including me had the "savvy" to not join up to the farce in the first place, asnd use our
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin
Originally Posted By: Gordon T
Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin
Originally Posted By: Dave EUFC
More as we own the club? haha you are a comedian. I'm not going to get in an argument with you, but this is and should be a forum about football and most importantly Ebbsfleet United. Since you have been away thers been alot less hostility flying around and people have actually started to talk about footballing issues. Thats all i will say on the matter.

I have always sought to protect ebbs against the perils now at its doors brought about by mugs like you who didn't have the savvy to stand up to brooks when he picked the wrong club.

insularism and nerosim are good words...I shall have them elected to the oxford english....grin


Mugs like David, including me had the "savvy" to not join up to the farce in the first place, asnd use our
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"sj is a scots tart who appears to be a referee at sunday league level....she has been to one game at ebbs...she is a token overseas patsy probably enveigled onto the board by paddingtons gerrymanderers...!!" UU quote from not myfc forum

 

Used to enjoy reading your thoughts Unc but i can see your just a sad old bigot who takes pleaseure in insulting people behind their backs, would love to see you say that to her face, i would gladly call an ambulance for you .

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okay myfc have made mistakes but the general day to day of sticking the boot in does no-one any good.

people like me have taken ebbsfleet utd to their hearts through myfc.like you guys i share the joy and disappointments of the fleet

shame others are intent on making a mockery of the whole thing

i have said it before it is all about helping ebbsfleet utd.

 

 

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Originally Posted By: ebbsfleet is for life
shame others are intent on making a mockery of the whole thing
i have said it before it is all about helping ebbsfleet utd.


its not me that has made a mockery of myfc old boy...you may try the operators for that tag....

helping ebbsfleet...I have been trying to do that for a year and still am....difference is I am not sticking my head in the sand and pretending its all okay...until someone removes the operator and his gangsters who have cheated both the members and the club then it will get worse.....at least we have the bollox to try...

glover....don't be silly...the post about SJ was tongue in cheek as the missing parts will show.....

dave....glad you have been around for a while....well done.... grin
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"quite frankly sal they all seem like a bunch of pricks from where I'm sitting...what does the tart look like..? "

 

"vote for the tart.....we need more women in football"

 

 

"did anyone find out if SJ had big bristols or not....?

I need to vote shortly..."

 

Are these the missing parts then Unc ? tut tut, a jokes a joke but this is getting boring and childish.

 

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again glover you take it out of context in the scheme of the whole of the various threads humourous posts (which you obviously do not understand)

 

by the way what are you doing lurking about on there under cover...be a man and identify yourself and join in..we are trying to help you here....or are you not wanting help and everything is okay...?

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Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin
Originally Posted By: ebbsfleet is for life
shame others are intent on making a mockery of the whole thing
i have said it before it is all about helping ebbsfleet utd.


its not me that has made a mockery of myfc old boy...you may try the operators for that tag....

helping ebbsfleet...I have been trying to do that for a year and still am....difference is I am not sticking my head in the sand and pretending its all okay...until someone removes the operator and his gangsters who have cheated both the members and the club then it will get worse.....at least we have the bollox to try...

glover....don't be silly...the post about SJ was tongue in cheek as the missing parts will show.....

dave....glad you have been around for a while....well done.... grin


I feel more cheated by ex directors whom consistently lead us astray on the financial position of the club over previous seasons, especially after the share shenanigans of a few seasons ago whereby they increased their ownership in some what dubious practices.

regardless of what we think of the MYFC concept, it has given us an opportunity to get a better off the field team in place, and bought us time.

I am always looking to be enlightened, but how have club been cheated ?
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Wobbly, how have the ex Directors led you astray on the financial position? Our accounts were audited and presented to the shareholders at an AGM every year where there was an open forum for questions on the accounts. There is no legal obligation for EUFC to have their accounts audited, but we did so in order that there was full disclosure.

From 1999 to this year the players were paid on time every month, no suppliers to my knowledge have written off a debt from the club and the Inland Revenue and VAT man are happy men. This compares to 50% of the 92 clubs in the Premiership and Coca Cola League who are in tax/VAT arrears. This is not to mention the many Conference clubs who have had well documented financial problems, in some cases leading to expulsion from the League.

From 1999 onwards the "ex-Directors" put donations, share capital and time into the club. The management team of the club was often voluntary work by ex-Directors. If wages had been taken for the voluntary work over that period you are looking at well over

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We, as fans, should consider the state we are compared to clubs around and above us... I can tell it's a lot healthier than quite a few of them.

 

I remember BrianK saying back in May last year that with a football club, there's debt and there's debt. There's debt after a clubs paid their taxes, wages to players etc etc etc and there's debt where a club can't pay off their taxes and player's wages etc etc etc, that being the case with Luton Town and Rotherham and such others.

 

Thanks to the directors over the years, we're in the healthiest form of debt, and are probably one of the better off football clubs.

 

A good read there, Brian.

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Thanks for that very enlightening insight into the club's finances, and how and why MYFC came into the equation.

We all understood it was the directors who were generally footing the overdraft, and clearly with costs increasing and gates stagnating, something had to be done.

Although the club has had ambition, it has historically been slow and steady progress that has been most evident.

I think the takeover caught every fan off guard, such was it's uniqueness.

Most are still coming to terms with it - nearly a year on.

Whilst there have been too many benefits from the takeover to list here - there is still an underlying distrust of the whole thing, the secrecy of the MYFC board, strange voting trends, questionable playing budget increases when it appears from a lay viewpoint to be unaffordable and unsustainable, even with our present 70% increase in home gates.

MYFC can only be a good thing if it remains for the long haul.

If less than the required 15,000 do not reregister, will MYFC pull out and sell up?

What then?

That is the most vexing question on my mind, and of many others.

We gloried at Wembley, are reaping the benfits of better publicity and are now regarded as a top club - far cry from those early days of tinpot little G&N.

It would be heartbreaking to lose what we have after all the work (and money) invested in our club over the last 2/3 years.

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Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz
I'm a little surprised that so few have picked up on this thread.
When Brian Kilcullen makes a posting that probably took 40 minutes to write, it is definately worth a read



Some people prefer the conjecture, rumour, mud-slinging and unsubstantiated threads. Facts tend to spoil a good old rant for those who aren't really informed enough to make accusations (I'm not pointing at Wobbly here, but plenty of others fall into that bracket).
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Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

MYFC can only be a good thing if it remains for the long haul.

Gaz, I think time will show that there is a significant section of the MyFC membership 100% committed to the club and are here for the long haul.

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz
If less than the required 15,000 do not reregister, will MYFC pull out and sell up?

I think there is a bit of confusion about the 'required 15,000' renewals. The 15,000 figure comes into play in two aspects only -
(1) The 'Operator' can withdraw from providing the website as per their service contract. This doesn't mean the 'Operator' will withdraw, but the contract allows the 'Operator' to opt out. This does not mean that MyFC automatically folds - just that it would have to work out a new 'website'/'method of communication'.
(2) If the membership drops below 15,000 it triggers a members vote on whether to sell the club and fold the Society. From what I recall from the T&C's, this requires a 75% vote in favour. Again, I suspect that time will demonstrate that, if the memebrship did drop below 15,000, the vote would be in favour of remaining as owners of EUFC and working to preserve and develop the club.

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz
What then?

Members are already discussing strategies to deal with the current finances and the CEO will present his plan when he returns from holiday in two weeks. One thing, in my opinion, that must be sorted is the current level of expenditure at the club. Excluding MyFC, money the club is spending twice as much as is coming in. This is unsustainable and there needs to be a careful look at reducing expenditure and increasing income so that the club is not totally dependant on donations from MyFC. By MyFC not having to constantly cover ongoing losses, there is the opportunity for MyFC money to be used to develop different aspects of the club for the benefit of the club, the supporters and the local community.

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

It would be heartbreaking to lose what we have after all the work (and money) invested in our club over the last 2/3 years.

This is true and hopefully we can develop a workable plan that can prevent such a scenario.
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Originally Posted By: BrianK
However, all this talk about the club going bust is [****!!****] to be frank.

I'm a little confused on this matter, if the club is losing the amount of money that has been mentioned on this forum, how is this a maintanable situation? Surely, growing debt inevitably will result in the club going bust?

Very glad to hear the club isn't in dire trouble, if that's what you're saying.
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Barnaby, compare the situation we are in compared to a lot of clubs. Brian's stated that the club has made all it's payments to players, the taxman etc. Quite a majority of clubs can't even do that... and are they saying they're going bust or going to go bust? They're surviving ok, except for the odd few who have had point deducted or have gone down a league or two.

 

Maybe we shouldn't go by what is said on an internet forum, and leave it to the experts.

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Gaz, I want you to know that many myfc members are here for the very long term. I have joked with people that if there was a fight in the car park, Myfc v Eufc, Lorraine and I would be on the side of EUFC, so MYFC should be very affraid.

 

The uncertainty of the February renewals is not helping anybody here, but we have to work with it and try to make it work.

 

Everything isnt perfect at EUFC or MYFC, finances need to constantly be looked at and we all agree that the CEO is on the case here. At Myfc, we continue to try and work out how to do things, have some cracking rows and hopefuly move on stronger if we dont kill ourselves in the process.

 

Can I give 2 examples of reasons to be positive this morning.

 

I think most agree that the John Akinde deal was a good one for all concerned. Credit to Liam for a lot of that. Club gets income, John gets a crack at the bigtime, club can get future bonuses and if he comes back to Stonebridge, I know he will be greeted warmly.

 

Secondly, Lorraine and I had the honour to do "board room duty" against Stevenage. Showing that we are not all computer geeks ! :-) One thing that happened was that I asked Greg the sales guy to "use" the members of myfc for the benefit of the club. This lead to me pushing the player sponsorships via the website and the MYFC Daily email newsletter.

 

The result, I get an email from him yesterday saying that all sponsorship of players are now taken. The club gets money, the members feel like they have helped ( they are so desperate to do that ) and we have made something happen. I hope this is just the first of many occasions where we can work together for the benefit of the Fleet.

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Originally Posted By: eufckev
Barnaby, compare the situation we are in compared to a lot of clubs. Brian's stated that the club has made all it's payments to players, the taxing etc. A few clubs can't even do that... and are they saying they're going bust or going to go bust? They're surviving ok, except for the odd few who have had point deducted or have gone down a league or two.

Maybe we shouldn't go by what is said on an internet forum, and leave it to the experts.

With the Akinde transfer money, there is enough money in EUFC and MyFC for the club to survive until the end of the season. A cashflow problem will arise in June/July of next year. The MyFC renewal membership money will have been spent and the club will ahve no income. This is what needs to be addressed and we have nine months to get it sorted.

Part of the problem is that the membership renewal for 28,000 MyFC members falls in February of each year. This is out of step with the clubs financial year and creates a difficulty.

I have made the following suggestions on MyFC -
(1) The next membership renewals period should be for 15 months rather than 12 months (membership fee being
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