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Attendance Figures: Oh Dear

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Well Tony cant be doing a bad job, as you are doing well and have had a few well known faces at the club. Add to that the signing of a Fleet favourite on a contract all you need is the support back. Sad to say that ive witnessed better support on a rainy night at Erith & Belverdere. The chairman must be taking chances.<p>Carjam

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Looking at Kingstonian's attendance annoys me. They've basically halved since relegation. It's like the interviews with the Barnet 'fans' after they got beaten by Torquay, saying they wouldn't be going again because they couldn't face the idea of non-league football. Bloody glory hunters, the lot of them.

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Barnet vs. Enfield, wasn’t that the biggest game in non-league a few years back. It just might happen again soon. Which Enfield will it be?<p>Actually I would expect the fans to stay with the club, but only if they are involved in the title race. Barnet are already falling short of that and to be honest, there facilities were never really cutout for anything higher than the Southern League. Might see them down in the Ryman’s in a couple of seasons.

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Oh alright, I'll be first to question your choices. Why Enfield? They've got a long way to go before getting a permanent ground, and even then there's no guarantee that the support will come back.

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A few seasons ago I would have agreed with most of your choices. There are two different sets of teams I think you're trying to get to and this is the way I see it:<p>Long term Ryman Prem teams:<p>Hendon

Enfield

Purfleet

Grays

Sutton<p>Conference (within next 4 seasons)/League Potentials (within next 10 years).<p>Aldershot

Aylesbury (won't pretend I like them, but they have a good set up)

St Albans

Chesham (I am talking potential here)

Canvey

Gravesend

Kingstonian

Billericay

Basingstoke<p>And my final list is (only short term, we know how quickly things can turn around) non league's spent forces:<p>Slough<p>Aylesbury (they seem to be bouncing back, but I enjoy putting them in this category.)<p>Marlow (remember David Lay & Co?)<p>Enfield (I remember when Borg was at the helm and they were favourites every year)<p>Bishops Stortford never recovered from dropping to Div one.<p>Yeading, now there's a ground I dislike almost as much as Croydon, they miraculously stayed in the premier for years.<p>Baldock, I think they're extinct.<p>Dulwich, ground and financial problems have made life very difficult for this lot.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SteveP-Chesh:

<strong>Long term Ryman Prem teams:<p>Hendon

Enfield

Purfleet

Grays

Sutton</strong><hr></blockquote><p>By this, do you mean that these are the teams that you see staying at this level for the forseeable future?

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I think Enfield will remain in this league for a long time but in terms of what has happened there and falls from grace, they have the look of a spent force.<p>It is a shame, I liked Southbury Road and some of the epic games I saw there. I hope that we will see the Enfield of old in this league once again and if that Loizou geezer goes and the E's get the ground they deserve, I could see them being big again.

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Carjam - I think your list is based on history and not on the present, with plenty of former "non-league giants". Romford will struggle to play at a much higher level than they are now, Daggers are now the local non-league team to support. Enfield may never recover from their present mess, unless one of the two clubs can get a permanent home in the area.<p>That said, one team that has the potential to go far is Bedford, they've got a good set-up there and plenty of ambition.

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I saw the plans for Bedford's development, they will be a real force if they get the stadium that's planned and agree they look very organised off the pitch.

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Well amazingly we have all come quite close to agreeing on this one. I picked out Romford because I know that they have been at the pinnacle of non-league before and therefore with some success on the pitch could do so again. Most of their supporters still remember the good times and would eagerly return with some good fortune on the pitch. Keep your eye on them.

I did not include Dagenham as they are not in the Ryman. I discount them simply because Victoria Rd (hope that’s right) is too cramped.

Enfield I class as the same situation as Romford. Things will get better and I have no doubt they will one-day return along with Wealdstone. Perhaps a joint stadium would be an idea.

Bedford have the potential support to rise through this and the league above quickly if the new stadium is developed.<p>Carjam

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I think that it was Yeovil v Enfield when Yeovil were promoted from the Isthmian League.<p>I read that Barnet look like getting permission to build a new stadium on the cricket ground next door to Underhill, so I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for them to come down smile.gif" border="0

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See what you are getting at. I was aware of the Yeovil game. I was referring to non-league eagerly awaited derbies, like Dartford v Gravesend for instance or maybe Grays vs. Tilbury. The Enfield, Barnet rivalry was well known.<p>Nearly time for work

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Have a good day and don't work too hard.<p>You will need your energy to watch the Fleet demolish Chelmsford tomorrow smile.gif" border="0

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Just for once I am not confident about that game. Chelmsford are a big outfit with a long history. Add to that our record in the Trophy. Anyway going on, hopefully without causing too much trouble and keeping the subject alive……<p>

Time for work now, a late shift beckons, to perhaps finish this off I have made a list of the teams that I believe are candidates for prolonged life at a higher level. These are Ryman only and I would include the prospect of league soccer in this equation. Please don’t be upset if I haven’t mentioned your own team. It’s nothing personal and it’s only my opinion. And my opinion means nothing except to myself (expect someone will remind me anyhow). The teams are as follows:<p>Aldershot Town

Sutton Utd

Bedford Town

Gravesend & Northfleet

St Albans City

Hendon

Enfield

Aylesbury Utd

Romford<p>All agree with that. I am willing to argue my points if not.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Simon BTFC:

<strong>

Do the Canvey fans think that the decision to increase admission prices to £8 has deterred people from coming?</strong><hr></blockquote><p>I think it probably has deterred some and certainly has not done any good for encouraging new fans, my view is though that I still think it is good value when you consider that going to West Ham for instance would set you back in excess of 60 quid which includes travel and food etc.

However the club certainly need to sort out a different approach if we want to persuade new fans through the gates!<p>[ 03 November 2001: This message was edited by: canfan ]<p>[ 03 November 2001: This message was edited by: canfan ]</p>

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£8, that's £1 more than Stonebrigde Rd. As you say its not over the top compared to other higher leagues. And we all know the entertainment can and often is just as good. Even the standards of play compares with lower divisions on the F.L. However clubs have a habit of sticking a £1 on every new season. The rises have hardly been in line with inflation. Higher prices certainly have contributed to lower attendances. I have no figures but I would expect program sales to have dropped in comparison.<p>Carjam

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I think your right about the programme sales, I for one do not always purchase a programe now unlike last season it was evey game!

Carjam what are your thoughts regarding the new thread what is costs??

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I think that £8 is a lot, during the week I went to watch Bristol Rovers v Yeovil in the LDV vans trophy. Rovers had cut the admission to £5, I bought a programme for £1 and a pasty and a cup of tea (the Pasty I had is up their with the purfleet burger as top notch footie food btw) for £2. Total cost £8. Billericay have definately benefitted from keeping the admittance at £7 for three seasons, but I would like to see ticket prices cut for some games in an attempt to get more people through the gate. I'm not sure on the rules, but are clubs allowed to cut prices for league/county cup matches?

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If my memory serves me right prices for home fa cup matches at Canvey were increased to £10 last year, yes we all moaned especially when I attended the daganham and Canvey cup game at the begining of this season and paid a fiver.I could go on and gripe about having to pay for my son who is under 5 years old. I mustn't complain to much though every penny I paid last season was well and truly worth it.

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Nice to see so many of you (all in fact)not including Braintree Town (The real BTFC) in your list for teams with a long term future in the Ryman League or better. Everybody seems to go on about the history of the clubs, what they HAVE done, the crowds they USED to pull in, the results they USED to achieve. Romford are a spent force, as are Enfield who will be the club relegated from the Ryman Premier this season.Mark this date and remember it come the end of the season. We are a growing club, with an ambitious Chairman and board, a ground that is growing with us, and a playing surface equal to anything in this league. Ignore us at your peril!!!!! tongue.gif" border="0 tongue.gif" border="0

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Yeah it sure had an effect on us, we're learning, in fact all our losses have been by three clear goals. I put that down to lack of experience, in other words when we get unhinged we fall apart. Even Fleet fans will agree we shouldn't have let the score get exaggerated. Recovery skills are required and going on our return of form after previous such reversals we'll do ok. As long as we're top five and ahead of Billericay & Chesham and my bet stays sweet. grin.gif" border="0 <p>A long with Iron maiden (is that you maggie?, I was amused at the old boys club only speak of other clubs that have been on the isthmian circuit for some time as worthy of consideration for promotion or retaining premier status. When i saw Braintree ommitted, my second instinct was to laugh and think its all true, we'll be up up and away while you're still contemplating a trip to Croydon. Not this year, but soon.<p>The other point i'd like to make, is the garbage about Romford being a fine old club. Get real! Its nothing of the sort. The fine old club with 1000+ gates became defunct before Billericay had left playing Junior status football. The club now utilising the old name are grubby old Collier Row, whose ground (former) isn't even in Romford. They have never played in the Southern league ever.

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I cant argue with your bet. The way its going you will probably win. As far as Romford go they and you are probably aware of this. They and Collier Row merged. That was that for Collier after one season using both names. That dosent mean much. The main thing on their side was that when Romford packed it in they never went bust. They sold that big old ground of theirs with a promise of a new one. It went wrong over council problems. The club still holds much of the money. Once the ground situation is sorted they can attract the support again and move up. 10 years from now the 3 biggest clubs in Essex will be Southend, Chelmsford and Romford. Wait and see.

Braintree have done very well to get so far. Enjoy your football at this level. Do you really want crowd segregation, very long away trips, increased prices and years of struggling in higher leagues.

Car Jam

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If Romford have got so much money 'stashed away ' for a rainy day its a shame they dont invest a bit of it in a new kettle so that you can get a decent cup of tea without blowing the floodlights!! As I said they are a spent force, unlike BTFC(The real Braintree Town Football Club)who are going places!!! <img src="graemlins/20deadflies.gif" border="0" alt="[20deadflies]" /> <img src="graemlins/20deadflies.gif" border="0" alt="[20deadflies]" />

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I like Braintree, they play good football, but I would not try and categorise you as I don't really know enough about you to make an assesment, so there you have it, I am not being arrogant, I am just being ingnorant, which is not as bad smile.gif" border="0

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