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I'm also a little surprised to read David's response. Yes, of course we know that the EUFC and MyFC hierarchy are discussing Plan B, Plan C and however many other alternatives - they have to, the renewals are not in the bag. Even if they were, there are ongoing financial pressures which will still be there. I think the naivety is to imagine that supporters won't think out loud about it. Ebbsfleet fans, whether long-standing or recent, need to put their heads together too.

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Originally Posted By: loosegooner
Originally Posted By: Digitalis
I'm not going to waste precious thumb-twiddling time getting into the debate.

I just wanted to say that if anyone thinks we're not aware of the probable issues around renewal time and haven't been working on contingencies, then I am saddened.

I can't wave a magic wand and make 30000 MyFC members renew, I don't have the money to personally finance the club. But to think we are blithely sailing on with no awareness and taking no actions, just because we aren't declaring publicly what we are doing, is naive. frown

I won't be drawn into any more discussion on the subject. Enjoy the debate.

I think thats a shame. There have been some very responsible posts on this thread, notably from HG and a few others, and yet because of some negative comments you deny the opportunity to engage with or support those people who are extremely concerned. When you did this before on a MyFC thread you took umbrage at the frustration it caused. I don't see you engaging with the people who truly own this club, either emotionally or financially and that is your job.

No doubt you will continue in umbrage.


No it is not. A CEO's job is to run the company and provide a return to shareholders - in this case the 'return' is a successful football team rather than a financial return. In most limited companies the CEO only reports back to shareholders through the AGM and the annual report, and in the largest companies, by quarterly statements. David is far more involved than that, so is already exceeding the communication provided by most CEOs.

As shareholders, MYFC and the individuals who own shares cannot expect a CEO to explain every action he takes or to give advance information on the strategies he is considering.
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A fine example of a supporters trust in action is that of Exeter City, the club hit the buffers then some "disputed" actions by those that took over the running of the club then the Trust stepped in and bit by bit have turned it round.

 

The Fleet Trust had approx 250 members up till the name change now I believe it has about 70 members.

If people are serious about their concerns regarding the viability of our current situation I would strongly reccomend them joining the Fleet Trust it only costs

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Originally Posted By: loosegooner
I think you are probably right, excepting that our CEO chooses what he gets involved with. One moment he contributes to a thread, another he chooses to be annoyed. Convenient.


Who should choose then, Gordon?

Actually, I regret making that initial post. It was out of frustration with my sensing, rightly or wrongly, implications that we're not aware of the issues or doing anything about them. I shouldn't have reacted emotionally.

I'll back off now and focus on the business, I shouldn't have intervened.
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The Fleet Trust only has seventy members?


I am sure a Fleet Supporters Trust committee member will be along any post soon to give a more accurate figure.

Two points of interest are the drop in numbers after the name change and that despite the perceived worries by a perceived number of supporters the one organisation that will be at the club longest for the supporters i.e. some form of supporters group is not as well endowed with members as maybe it should be.
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Originally Posted By: Digitalis
Originally Posted By: loosegooner
I think you are probably right, excepting that our CEO chooses what he gets involved with. One moment he contributes to a thread, another he chooses to be annoyed. Convenient.


Who should choose then, Gordon?

Actually, I regret making that initial post. It was out of frustration with my sensing, rightly or wrongly, implications that we're not aware of the issues or doing anything about them. I shouldn't have reacted emotionally.

I'll back off now and focus on the business, I shouldn't have intervened.

Hopefully you will be able to look back at my posts and see that I haven't implied that you are not aware of the issues or criticised your dealing with them or inferred any lack of faith in you.

Yet again though you do choose to "bite" though where no offence was intended and that is a criticism. I do not subscribe to the view that you are "sacred" and off limits when you "choose" to interpret motives and act the wounded soldier.

I expected more honesty from you David.
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Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

Whilst I do have reservations, and remain skeptical over Myfc, I do appreciate the great benefits they have brought to the club.
Ptt has, and always will be the sore point....
My preference is for a watered down compromise, with no ptt.
tegards


MyFC may not be the ideal ownership form for a football team; but I paid my subscription because it is better than the other fan-based groups that I have researched. I agree with HG that ptt is not a good idea. Having 30,000 - or even 5,000, or less - is not a good idea. However, I do believe that MyFC can succeed as an ownership group if it will concentrate on front office activities.

Ownership is best when it concentrates on high level management of a business. Great organizations rely on professional management to succeed. I sit three boards and am comfortable with setting budgets and goals. However, in all three situations there is professional management that handles the daily operations of the business.

I don't get to attend matches at Stonebridge. I can only watch the matches (on the internet) while having my morning coffee. I am happy to follow The Fleet because it represents football at the community level. Gravesend & Northfleet has a long history and I want to participate in a way that won't affect the local fans ability to enjoy his/her club.

Hopefully, enough people will renew to ensure the club can retire its debt and prosper. Wouldn't that be grand.
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Great posting DNB - yours is the sort of attitude we hope is prevalent throughout MyFC - whatever our feelings are about the organisation, we don't want to see it fail, if only for the level of the damage that would now happen to our club (and I use 'our' to mean both the original supporters and MyFC members). Whatever happens - we are now one and have to pull towards making it a success in whatever form it will take after the turn of the year.

 

Up the 'fleet!

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I believe this posting is an example of the feeling that many unknown people worldwide have for The Fleet. We know February will be a big test, and the current economic troubles don't help us atall, but uith hard work and goodwill from all concerned, we can give this a good try.

 

Too much good work has been doen by all concerned over the last 12 months, too many good times have been had, this wont be given up by a lot of us without a fight.

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Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

Whilst I do have reservations, and remain skeptical over Myfc, I do appreciate the great benefits they have brought to the club.
Ptt has, and always will be the sore point....
My preference is for a watered down compromise, with no ptt.
tegards


MyFC may not be the ideal ownership form for a football team; but I paid my subscription because it is better than the other fan-based groups that I have researched. I agree with HG that ptt is not a good idea. Having 30,000 - or even 5,000, or less - is not a good idea. However, I do believe that MyFC can succeed as an ownership group if it will concentrate on front office activities.

Ownership is best when it concentrates on high level management of a business. Great organizations rely on professional management to succeed. I sit three boards and am comfortable with setting budgets and goals. However, in all three situations there is professional management that handles the daily operations of the business.

I don't get to attend matches at Stonebridge. I can only watch the matches (on the internet) while having my morning coffee. I am happy to follow The Fleet because it represents football at the community level. Gravesend & Northfleet has a long history and I want to participate in a way that won't affect the local fans ability to enjoy his/her club.

Hopefully, enough people will renew to ensure the club can retire its debt and prosper. Wouldn't that be grand.


Great post. It's how it should be.
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Yes,that is certainly a dreamscenario from EUFCs point of view,however that is all it is...and I do think most people realise this.

 

Again,if you step away from your EUFC perspective,the fans perspective..and try to look at MyFC from the outsiders(members and new members) point of view..what is there to make him/her pay 35 quids?

 

Own the club-pick the team..in a very small and very simplified nutshell.This is also the reason why the organisation STILL uses this slogan despite the fact that it hasn

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....Again,if you step away from your EUFC perspective,the fans perspective..and try to look at MyFC from the outsiders(members and new members) point of view..what is there to make him/her pay 35 quids?

Own the club-pick the team..in a very small and very simplified nutshell.This is also the reason why the organisation STILL uses this slogan despite the fact that it hasn
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