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'Ricay v. Canvey - Tuesday 10th March, and others.

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For me the football has been awful all season, im all for a change, the two guys obviously cannot motivate the team, and they are just two coaches. thats it really...oh and the joint management thing going on clearly does not work otherwise there would be a lot more of it in the football word!

just ask Roy Evans and Gerrard Houllier!

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Originally Posted By: Simon BTFC

I would say completely the opposite - they are both much better playing with somebody else.

The results back that up - they have started together on 16 occasions this season in all competitions - and we have won just 4 (25%). They have failed to score in half of those 16 (50%).

For comparison, when only one of them has played we have won 15 out of 25 (60%). As a single player Flack/Bricknell have scored in 11 of those 25 (56% failure rate) - not that different to their record as a pair.


Well, you can prove anything with facts can't you.

(It's an obscure quote grin)

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Just the facts ma'am. wink

 

So far as the management are concerned I have mixed feelings. I only have to look at my other team (Southampton) to see that changing managers doesn't help... However it is impossible to defend their record because it is so poor. Perhaps the most damning thing I can say is that they don't appear to be learning from their mistakes - you only have to look at the team selection against Horsham to see that.

 

What can they do? Well for my money there are 5 or 6 players that have consistantly let us down this season and the sooner we're rid of them the better. The rest can wait for the summer to find out their futures. So far as off the pitch is concerned I would go for Jason as a single manager and bring in another coach. Let Grant concentrate on "the structure" as a kind of director of football.

 

I would definitely be looking to bring in another coach though, come what may. It's not because I have any deep-seated aversion to dual managers, just that we need to freshen things up

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Originally Posted By: finisterre

Well, you can prove anything with facts can't you.

(It's an obscure quote grin)


Not really Finni but I have cross swords with Si over this before and I am tired of the arguement. Having been to all the games this season, there are circumstances behind the reasons why the stats stack up, from the beginning of the season to last night but unfortunately I find it best to walk away when certain people are in full "damnation" flow.

Si and I do agree on one point. Changing managers at the drop of a hat (or when things are not going as well as some people would like - Jeez, we'll be changing every 3 months if some supporters had their way) is not the way forward. Maybe a change of structure in the managment area would benefit the club better and I think his suggestion is one for futher comment and discussion.

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No sopping about, last night was another complete disaster for everyone at the club!

I know Jason didn't want 'revenge' for the beating at their place but dropping on all fours at home to take another beating is taking the pee out of everyone associated with the club! The management are totally out of touch with the majority of fans if they think we didn't want revenge! In a season of mid table obscurity the least we wanted was to have the bragging rights over our nearest and dearest, didn't they hear our fans at the start?? The fact that they couldn't fire themselves or the team up for this one shows how lost they both are!

 

A couple have mentioned about over reactions due to one result. Have they missed the fixture and result page in the programme? Canvey, Ashford, Hastings, Ramsgate, the list goes on! This was not a one off, this is one of many in a list of pitiful, gutless performances by a team that is full of too many players that just don't want to play for the club, managed by a team that has run out of ideas and time. Enough is enough!

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Originally Posted By: Patriot

A couple have mentioned about over reactions due to one result. Have they missed the fixture and result page in the programme?


Not at all, Patriot. Nor have I missed the League Table that shows us mid-table with a game or two in hand over some teams above us. Sure, it's not going to be a season we'll want to dwell on. And we'll be all the more hungry for success in 09/10 because of it. But it isn't disasterous. A knee jerk reaction to losing a local derby would send us into un-charted waters, and I think it's the wrong time of the season to be doing that. I'll settle for staying out of the relegation scrap for now.


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Gazza are you the managements apologist ?

 

Most comments I have read re last nights result have been spot on. I do not know if it the right time to change the management but if the team is not performing then the only other option is a wholesale change of players which I do not think will happen at this stage of the season.

 

If you look at the squad on paper and the pedigree most of the players have then as a team we have underperformed this year.

 

One bright spot (apart from Dormer who could and should be playing a higher level) is Ashley Dumas who was excellent last night.

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Originally Posted By: GazzaBTFC

Si and I do agree on one point. Changing managers at the drop of a hat (or when things are not going as well as some people would like - Jeez, we'll be changing every 3 months if some supporters had their way) is not the way forward. Maybe a change of structure in the managment area would benefit the club better and I think his suggestion is one for futher comment and discussion.


I didn't say I wouldn't change managers Gaz, I said I have mixed feelings on the matter. The management have got to show that they have it in them to change things around. They have yet to show that ability and if there aren't signs of improvement between now and the end of the season I see no reason why they should be allowed to continue next season.

It isn't an over-reaction to one defeat. It is anger at being asked to pay good money to watch a team that are producing the worst standard of football of any Billericay team in the past ten years (I include Justin's first season when we were relegated in that - at least that team tried to pass the ball).

Who knows, maybe if we actually produce a performance that is as good as the ones against C*nv*y (twice), Harrow, Ashford, Concord, Horsham etc etc were bad then there may be supporters coming on here in their droves to praise the team. We can only hope that this team are capable of such a performance.

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I think it's spot on to say that we have not got the best out of the squad of players we have available. We're mid table and we'd expect to be amongst the play-off places. But, with just 11 games left and only a 9 point cushion between us and the R-Zone is now the right time for change?

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Originally Posted By: GazzaBTFC
"Vengence and revenge"...hmmmmmmm...This is football we're talking about?

54 posts over one defeat...Now 55.

Over reaction? Nuff said



I think you will find that Nuff said is not the case here.

As mentioned in the numerous post's before mine (& i was not going to post until i read this comment flame ) it's not just about this one defeat it's about a whole lot of defeats and some crap subbing tactics over the whole season.

I would also like to add that big dunc could be heard down our end shouting on the lad's he is a credit to the club i just wish some of the others who did once have his spark would get it back and the sooner the better please.

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Originally Posted By: Rick the Dick
I think it's spot on to say that we have not got the best out of the squad of players we have available. We're mid table and we'd expect to be amongst the play-off places. But, with just 11 games left and only a 9 point cushion between us and the R-Zone is now the right time for change?


And there is an 8 point cushion between us and 5th place... Are we going to talk about Playoffs?

Like what was being said yesterday... Our seasons consists of a maximum of 2 games now. Our league season is over.. In my opinion.. we won't go down... and we won't make playoffs either which leaves 2 games left.. The semi final on Tuesday, and maybe a final.

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Adam - very negative posts mate - you must be a spurs fan - all jolly when you win, but, any set back and it all finished, doom and gloom, seasons are a marathon not a sprint, lets get behind the managers and see where we are at the end of the season, i know this is called a fans forum and you are entitled to comment how you see fit, but so much negativity isn't healthy for managers, players and supporter, so come on get behind the boys and be as positive as you are negative!!!!

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Phew 7 pages of posts that's certainly stirred everyone up.sadly i missed the 3rd and 4th goals as I was stll working in the office(shame canvey didn't miss them too)but the fact is that once again we started well missed a couple of good chances then capitulated. I do know that the management dont instruct the players to play a long ball game but this year we have some players who think they know better than the managers, who though potentially are quality players but find places to hide, who dont want to play as or for a team and who take the p***s out of the management, supporters and the club. As has been said next year we wont have as many contract players so we will be able to dispose of players with this attitude more easily. The management team are relatively inexperienced but have the good of the club at heart but they have been let down by players who we all expected better from. I hope any of you who read this forum and recognise yourselves in the above take note and if you are lucky enough to play on sat react accordingly and play as instructed, and up to the best of your ability. For my two penneth I would not play any of the players who fit into the desciption above but if we have been unable to sign any replacements in time i would replace them with players from the U18 and CL sides who although might not have the potential quality, will take the opportunity and play above themselves for the 90 mins.

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Originally Posted By: bill-ER-ricky
Adam - very negative posts mate - you must be a spurs fan - all jolly when you win, but, any set back and it all finished, doom and gloom, seasons are a marathon not a sprint, lets get behind the managers and see where we are at the end of the season, i know this is called a fans forum and you are entitled to comment how you see fit, but so much negativity isn't healthy for managers, players and supporter, so come on get behind the boys and be as positive as you are negative!!!!


I am an Arsenal fan tongue

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Originally Posted By: Brightside Bloke
Originally Posted By: GazzaBTFC
"Vengence and revenge"...hmmmmmmm...This is football we're talking about?

54 posts over one defeat...Now 55.

Over reaction? Nuff said



I think you will find that Nuff said is not the case here.


As mentioned in the numerous post's before mine (& i was not going to post until i read this comment flame ) it's not just about this one defeat it's about a whole lot of defeats and some crap subbing tactics over the whole season.

I would also like to add that big dunc could be heard down our end shouting on the lad's he is a credit to the club i just wish some of the others who did once have his spark would get it back and the sooner the better please.



Just my opinion BB...Apologies if it came across as "glib". If you look at the post numbers of when we win against when we "capitulate" (a nod to Delboy - good word), a la Ashford, against when we win, we have more to say when we lose. I suppose it's natural to react in a way that and not "balance" the whole season up and the circumstances which brought us here.

Call me what you like, I don't think we be relegated and I amoungst a few are willing to keep a cool head, get behind both the players and the management and encourage. Will them on to do better.

There are some comments here that are worth discussing, points that have been worth making, opinions which are well made. There are also comments that, in my opinion, that are not. Some comments are unfair. Like those that come back to me, I am allowed my opinion and I am allowed a response.

I've been supporting this club for many years and I shall continue in the same fashion as I do today, no matter what happens. Whatever the cost to me, whatever may happen, I will continue because it's the club I support. Over the years I have seen many a poor season and this one doesn't even come close to the worse. I know that is no comfort for how people feel about this season but there has been worse. And I can't remember there being the same recriminations as there has been voiced here this season. Ahhh, the beauty of the internet. It's a powerful weapon, which can be abused as well as be a powerful tool. I for one am for it but during a period in the early 90's, we got relegated, missed out promotion, had an indifferent season and eventually got promoted all under one manager. The club and supporters stuck with it. Yes, there were comments of disent and the like (and also a rather humerous fanzine to vent a spleen or two) but the club stuck with it and went from strength to strength.

Did Tuesday hurt me? Yes it bloody well did (and so much so, that I couldn't speak to anyone immediately after game). And when I saw a player or one of the management team, I did not engage in personal recriminations. And I am not about to.

Whilst all the "sh*t" is hitting the fan, I remember someone told me once during a very difficult period in my life, "that which does not kill us, makes us stronger".

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Originally Posted By: delboy
For my two penneth I would not play any of the players who fit into the desciption above but if we have been unable to sign any replacements in time i would replace them with players from the U18 and CL sides who although might not have the potential quality, will take the opportunity and play above themselves for the 90 mins.


A sentiment I wholeheartedly agree with! I'm still deliberating whether or not to go to Harlow on Saturday, however, if I knew that the side was going to be made up of players as suggested by DB, I will definitely be going!

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As you rightly point out thats Your opinion and your very welcome to it.

 

Also that was your seventh post on this thread!! Nuff said? evil

 

 

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Originally Posted By: Elwood_Blues
I'm still deliberating whether or not to go to Harlow on Saturday, however, if I knew that the side was going to be made up of players as suggested by DB, I will definitely be going!


You should come to Harlow. It's been said many times that we are going to batter someone soon and there are not many games of the season left in which to do it. Harlow could be that game!

Don't miss out on qualifying for the right to wear the "I was there when we thumped XXXXXXX 6-0" T shirt! ecki

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Originally Posted By: The Town Crier

Tactics were poor because the players, and not for the first time this season, adopted there own shape and pattern of play.


Does that mean that our managers doesn't have enough respect among the players? Are there too many players on the team who thinks they know better and when on the pitch decides to to what they think is best and not follow the instructions from the managers?

If so, those primadonnas has to be told and dealt with!

To have respect from the players and be able to motivate the players has to be one of the most important qualities for a manager!

Just look at the norwegian national team, they didn't win a single game in 2008, and then our old hero, Drillo, does a surprise return, and in 14 days turns the performance around and we beat Germany 1-0 on away ground!

Why? Because he has a lot of respect among the players, and because he's probably one of the best motivators in the football world!

I don't have the possibility to watch each game (Jason: Put up a web cam for me, will you? :-) ), but if the problems is that the players doesn't do what they are told, something has to happen to get them to do it!

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Originally Posted By: GazzaBTFC
"Vengence and revenge"...hmmmmmmm...This is football we're talking about?

54 posts over one defeat...Now 55.

Over reaction? Nuff said



No. Not an over reaction.
This was NOT just any game, and it was also not the first time such an abject performance has been put in.
For the umpteenth time this season, this is a way below par performance but this time it was in the local derby.
Many may not feel this way, but I was hoping to exact a bit of revenge for the shambles of Easter Monday.

The number of posts on this game is no coincidence and not simply because we lost.
It was all about the way we lost and to whom.

I don't usually bother with other teams forums, but I had a sneaky glance at Canvey's yesterday.
I did notice a comment that, bizzarely and completely unfairly in my opinion, labelled Paul Shave an animal, but we'll gloss over that!
The general consensus was that they couldn't believe their luck at how poor we were, and that we only had one idea of hoofing the ball up in the air.
So they've noticed it from one game, and we've had to sit through it for the whole season.

It also says goodbye to the very slim hopes of a play-off place, so there is disappointment that the league season is over already and we're only in mid-March.

For these reasons there have been a lot of comments on this game, and if you continue to state that its an over-reaction then I would imagine there'll be a few more.

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But...

 

I thought Gazza's last post made a lot of sense. These forums do provide the Eeyore's & Marvyn's amongst us (including me) with a method of prolonging the gloom, and delaying the healing process.

 

But you have to fight the battle you're in, & t'internet's part of life now.

 

A Fanzine eh?

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Yeah Rick...a fanzine...

 

But the "contributors and victims" have to have a sense humour...and smile in he face of adversity...

 

The thing is, come this time next year, all this will be resigned to the mists of time...

 

I believe this is my 8th post BB... duel

 

 

 

 

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I'm sorry Gazza, call it (misplaced)loyalty or whatever, your (admirable) desire to support this management team without question is getting to be something of a concern as can be observed in the above responses.

The one bright spot that I find also somewhat amusing is that the previously much-hated Paul Shave is suddenly not looking so bad after all. In fact as mentioned he changed the team for the better when he came on. OK he'll never be a Ronaldo but the guy always gives 110% & actually tried to play football to feet which nobody else seemed to grasp. And hell, what a great shame we ever let Mooro go - Boy could we do with him back again !!

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