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Burnley wanted to charge £6 anywhere in the ground for the FA Cup tie but Canvey Island refused and wanted full league prices. This would have meant Canvey Island supporters paying £18.

The FA had to be called in to arbitrate and now the prices are £4 less than normal league prices. This means you will pay £14 rather than the £6 Burnley wanted to charge you.

This is down to the greed of your own club who will now miss out because with these prices there will not be a very big crowd. At £6 we would have been looking at 16,000 upwards. Now we can expect not much more than 5 to 6,000.

Why go and spoil your big day out?

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Let's just say that is what our chairman is all about. Most of the Canvey fans know what I mean. mad.gif" border="0 mad.gif" border="0 mad.gif" border="0

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Lets see them trot out the usual "price has to be agreed by both clubs" excuse this time.Is anybody else getting sick to death of paying through the nose for every game?I notice that Southend have pegged their F.A.cup replay at &10 and thats without the bonus of £100,000 T.V.money! mad.gif" border="0 mad.gif" border="0 mad.gif" border="0

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ok here we go...

1. burnley, nice try but no thanks, its a pay day for us not a cheap day out for you, but you are welcome to the moral high ground..er unless of course your one of those clubs with your snouts in the pheonix trough or your happy to see so much of footys money concentrated in the premiership now your flying high?..but im sure thats not the case is it?..

 

2. canvey fans, you want to see games like northampton, vale and southend? you want to spend all day on the **** after a trophy win?.. or would you rather battle it out in the essex floodlit league, with the occasional foray into a vase semi final? your choice cos one costs a bit more than the other, if you think Jeff and Ray and the others are coining it in think again, then think of the money invested over the last 10 yrs as well.. you want to see duffy flying down the wing, stimmos flicks, greggors headers? cobby , boylan etc etc blah blah well it costs money, more than we pay at the gate i'll give you a clue.. they deserve the pay days from these days out, long may this continue...

 

also do we want a packed out turf moor screaming burnley on, or do we want the 5/6,000 hard core expecting great things then getting the hump if we can frustrate them (hopefuly) for 30 mins or more.... i'm in full agreement with canvey on this one, mm does that qualify as obvious statement of the week wink.gif" border="0

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Thats fine Canv,but when we get to the Conference and are still getting gates of 500 this very short sighted pricing policy is going to cost us dear.This season there was a great opportunity to get more regular support at home games instead we ended up with less season ticket holders and possibly less bodies through the turnstile. With the distances involved with Conference football we may get even less away supporters than we do now and I feel that steady home support should be encouraged NOT discouraged mad.gif" border="0

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Yep I agree Andy, BUT!

Canv point 2, it has only cost £13000 for the players we have at present,(Jeffs words), although in defence of the prices we pay, I'd rather pay a few quid extra and see the club evolve, so in the years to come we have a descent ground and maybe, just maybe a league team that has the setup to sustain league footy!

Most importantly we do not lose what we have already because we cant afford it!

Just every now and again though id like to see a few more deals for kids and to attract a bit more support, get that and we may be able to bring prices down!

Or we could win the FA cup and give all the suppporters a free years pass! grin.gif" border="0

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Canvey Island haven't changed then, I went there about 2 years ago and was shocked to be charged £7 for myself and I think it was £5 for my 5 year old (at the time) who is allowed in free at most grounds, prices may not sound that bad but they were way above what any other Ryman league club were charging at the time and I thought it was disgraceful that the club were allowed to get away with it, I understand the league don't set a maximum price that clubs can charge. Now they are souring a big game by ripping off their own fans who will have spent a fortune getting there, sooner or later it will all come back to haunt them!

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look guys we can all bite each other in the [****!!****] bleating about the cost of the tickets.. and we can all listen to others teams fans saying ..

1. we have a sugar daddy .. or

2. we have a greedy chairman..

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in my book we have one choice.. we pay to watch quality footballers or we dont pay and we watch [****!!****], your call girls? if you dont like it go watch conorde or basildon or riccay...if you want to 'play' then lets have it!!..

talk about season tickets and home game incentives are nothing to do with this topic and have been covered before,, if you want to discuss that (and i think you have a point ) do it on a new thread, this is all about the burnley game

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16,000 fans @ £6 = £96,000. 6,000 fans @ £14 = £84,000. Difference of £12,000 divide by 2 = £6k.

Big plus on our side is that there will be 6,000 instead of 16,000 Burnley fans. Remember Wigan's turnout and what happened. Sounds pretty good to me.

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Your calculations suggest that you won't lose much money but it won't be 6,000 at £14. It will be at prices ranging from £4.50 to £14.

With the £6 charge it would have been all round the ground but with the charges set by the FA there will be prices as low as £4.50 for home pensioners and kids and adult prices as low as £9.<p>So it is 6,000 at probably around £10 each which is £60,000 and not £84,000.<p>This cup tie has sadly not captured the imagination of the Burnley people so at the end of the day the prices are high (and would have been even higher had Canvey Island had their way) and that means YOUR club is ripping off YOUR fans. Looks like a great club to support then, with them trying to milk you for as much as possible.<p>This is a big day for you and I can't believe the attitude of one person on this board who thinks it will be beneficial to have a small crowd. Don't you want your club playing in front of bigger crowds , don't you want your club receiving all the good publicity that deserves. <p>All you have achieved with this is to get a bad name for yourselves and that for me is a shame after all you have achieved.

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I think the point being missed here is that it would now be unfair all round if the prices for a third round were to be drastically lower than has already been charged in previous rounds in other words a precedence has already been established.

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Lets face it 14 quid ain't bad for an afternoon out, that money coupled with Canv's bar bill should keep us going for a few months...

And to Canvey Fans, you have to speculate to acumalate.

P.S I think the Burnley Game should have more of an incentive for the Kids..He he, (I'm sticking to the subject).<p>[ 17 December 2001: This message was edited by: canfan ]</p>

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HIC..BURP.. <img src="graemlins/pub.gif" border="0" alt="[pub]" /> hehe ok canfan you win, i concede you have a valid point.. now as for all this burnley fuss, if we have say a 1 in 100 chance of getting a result against these guys it will be by creating the same atmosphere as we did in wigan, as for our club ripping us off? yes im gutted to have to pay these prices to see us play at turf moor against top of the 1st by a mile Burnley...NOT!

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I can see why Burnley would want a capacity crowd,which is probably what they would have achieved with a 'peanuts' admission fee. Turf Moor packed out would be a very formidable arena for our brave boys, so I'm not displeased they wont be filling out the place. If Burnley wanted to, they could offer other incentives to home fans purchasing tickets. £14 is a fair price - no grumbles from me. The cheap ale up there will make up for the increase in admission fees. <img src="graemlins/bussi.gif" border="0" alt="bussi" />

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We had a similar problem at Huddersfield. Prices were reduced from £15 to £12, but many of the locals thought that this was too much to watch Town "thrash a non-league side" (Huh) and the crowd was on 6,000 instead of their usual 9,000. <p>The other point to bear in mind is that season ticket holders have to pay, so quite a few of them won't bother to turn up for this "easy match"

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Clarets Mad. You mentioned that this tie has not captured the imagination of the Burnley people. Fearing the lack of support for the Burnley players, your club has tried to slash prices. Yes, this is another big day for us and we have received a lot of good publicity lately that the club deserves. On the day, Canvey's chances are small of getting a result. It will be more of a plus for the Canvey players and supporters if there is a lack of Burnley support and will unsettle your players more. And, have we got a bad name for ourselves?

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Canvey has always had a bad name - right back to Essex Senior League days. It's all down to the outsiders resenting ambition and success. (Lawrenson and Hansen take note).<p>The arguments about prices in general have gone on for about a season and a half. Is the season ticket too dear? Are we charging more for league games than anyone else? Why should we pay all that to see a cup tie?<p>If you want success (and there are many who have only followed the Club since it started getting a bit of publicity), then you pay the price. So, sorry Burnley, it's down to you whether or not you want to watch - after all, your officials must have agreed to the ticket prices in the end.<p>Cost won't deter the travellers, because most of them will be only too aware that you can't achieve what Canvey has, on a shoestring.

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Wilf is spot-on, as usual. There are many out there who want to put the boot in on Canvey and no matter what the admission cost is, it wouldn't stop them. Any excuse seems to be good enough to take a pop at the island and the people who live there. Just look through the various threads on this discussion board!<p>The cost of success if high and we have to be prepared to pay it, indeed, the faithful Yellow Army are prepared to pay. Not so sure about the 'Big Match Only' fans who come out of the woodwork occasionally.<p>Ian, Matt and I went to Wigan. We paid for diesel, meal on the way there, several small glasses of lager in the Red Robin (medicinal purposes only, you understand), evening meal, several more small glasses of beer at the Wigan Pier that evening, cab back to the hotel, overnight accommodation, breakfast and something to eat on the way home.<p>Had the admission price been only £6 instead of £13 just think, I would have saved a fortune - NOT.<p>The Real Yellow Army will be there and the more deserted the stadium is, I reckon it will all the better for Canvey.<p>Merv CIFC

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We have differing views on the game. When we were struggling in the 4th division of the Football League I used to love being drawn away to a big club and a full stadium.

I find the views of some of you incredible and as for offering incentives to the home fans the fact now remains that we are not allowed to.

There was a club local to us a few years ago with great ambition called Colne Dynamoes. They qualified for the Conference but had upset so many people on the way with their attitude that every obstacle was put in their way. They were eventually refused admission to the Conference, where are they now?

Your small minded attitude will keep you as a small club I'm afraid. Your chance for a great day along the way is now gone.

As for a full ground being to our benefit, one thing I can tell you is that usually when we get a bigger than average crowd is when we struggle. Latest estimates are predicting 3,500 to 4,000 home fans for this game.

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This is a very sensitive issue and I will tread carefully!! logically the club is looking to expand i.e get more "supporters" and not just "followers" who turn up for a big matches or take a glance at the Evening Echo on a monday to see how the boy's got on sat, agree? therefore i would have thought that the club would have agreed a cheaper price to get as many fans there as possible? especially so soon after xmas/new year when everyone is skint.This might attract those people as i reckon if the club does reach the Conf you wont get many people watching them at Southport or Boston on a wet Tue, thus we would need that extra fan base for home games. Im sure someone will tell me if im thinking wrong! scoot

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Whats all the fuss over £8.

My son and I have paid at west Ham £70 for our tickets.For this game we can travel to Burnley get in have a few beers and still have change in my pocket.

Its about time people realised if you want quality you have to pay for it otherwise go and watch Billericay.<p>Regards<p>Skint Canvey fan

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Well I'm happy, I went to see the bank manager today, he has extended my overdraft and I also sent the missus up pawn brokers with spare tyre,got a few quid for that. Now at least a can get up there it just leaves the problem of finding the money to get into the stadium, oh yes and the worry if I get a flat tyre on the way, now I see what the missus meant now!! oh well I suppose I wil have to go back to the Bank manager again!!

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I have no axe to grind. I go to Canvey only perhaps 10 times a season, a few away games and watch a lot of Nationwide and Premiership and other non-league football. However the one aspect of Canvey's magnificent recent past which for me leaves a slightly unpleasant taste in the mouth has been Canvey's approach to pricing. There are two sides to the argument, agreed, but it must be better for football to have a match played in a packed stadium than in a three quarters empty one. I have no problem with "supporters" who JUST want to go to the home cup games paying a premium but there should be some way to identify the regular fans (after all, sadly, there's not that many of them) and not fleece them at every opportunity - even though plenty of them don't seem to mind.

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Can I have a say here?<p>As a Billericay supporter and a rival, I have been monitoring this very closly and let me re cap.<p>Burnley want to charge £6. Canvey want to charge £16. The FA have lowered the price to what £14 or £12?<p>Someone somewhere is being a greed b**t**d. Football is supposed to our national game for the working man. Okay people can afford more these days but come on... a fair price for the level of competition. You have to balance this out that the FA has a share of the gate as well and SHAME ON THEM as well!!!<p>The problem with football today is it run by greedy money men who don't give a toss for anything else but their wallets and I am shocked that your Chairman has sunk to that level. Okay, we banter and mention about "Sugar Daddy" but Greedy as well. In my own way I respected Jeff King. he has done wonders for your team (I could say club but.... still the hole - ya don't get me on that one) and power to him and to you. This, well, I loose all the grudging respect I had for him. He may think you're the Man U of non league football but there is no reason to go ahead and try to rip your supporters off.<p>For some reason, I feel angry. It is not my club but it has mad me so mad that I don't think I can give a reasoned arguement here. <p>Speechless. You know, I feel for the Canvey supporter here, I really do. What does your chairman think of you?<p>CANV, I've read your arguement and I'm sorry, way off line. Non league football (and football in general) does not need this.<p>Anyway, if I calm down a bit, I may give a more reasoned arguement but if I don't, have a Merry Xmas all of you. We have our differences but life is too much fun without you.<p>Merry Xmas and see ya on Boxing Day. I'll be selling 50/50 tickets at the gate, so come on up and make yourself known!!!

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we can agree to differ on this gazza.. but 2 points i'd like to reiterate (spelling?)

1. we either have a suger daddy or a greedy chairman, it cant really be both.. can it?

2. Burnley will be happy to jump into the pheonix league if it gets the go ahead. well thats hardly helping out the clubs lower down is it?

also did burnley get a vote on the 2 up from the conf issue? and what way did they vote? serious question..

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