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Frenchy, I'll stand corrected on that last point unlike certain others I can admit to being wrong

I must admit I had not heard of Ray Cross I though King was chairman as well, after all I gather he does virtually own the whole island. I don't recall making any forecasts on how many fans would travel to Burnley so how can I be wrong? Regardless of how many coach loads did go and the fact that bookings were turned down on Thursday because the coaches you'd booked were full is irrelevant, you will never know how many more would have gone if the club had not increased the prices just as you don't know how many more will turn up at Park Lane each week if the club stopped charging over the odds.

As for Keith you are welcome to my support, King is just a foul mouthed yob just like the soon to be ex manager at Aldershot,non-league football can do without them. If Canvey fans want success at any price then fine, I don't thats why I watch non-league rather than pro football. If Canvey do make it to the football league they certainly will find it a whole new ball game and we'll see then how loyal certain people are! All the best Keith I am sure that like me you'd sooner watch your football at a club that treats fans with respect.

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John - Related to Carjam are you? or are you one and the same? whatever! you both seem to have the same arogance and kind of put yourself across in exactly the same manner; Carjam hates Canvey too alas I suspect an alias.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by John Crawshaw:

I don't recall making any forecasts on how many fans would travel to Burnley so how can I be wrong?<hr></blockquote><p>What you actually said in your posting at 5:11 this evening was, "Well I wonder how many fans decided not to go because of the prices, don't they count as complaints?"<p>My point is that as many fans decided to go to this game as previously decided to go to other away games of equal stature. That is, there were no complaints. It's only you that seems to be bothered about the admission price at Turf Moor. But you have already stated that you have no desire to ever watch Canvey again. So what's your beef? You won't be missed and we can do without your belly-aching.<p>If Ray Cross (club chairman) were able to read this message (he is on holiday at the moment) he would echo the sentiments already expressed.<p>Come on, ol' son, it's been a bit of fun, but now it is time for you to log on to www.imasadgeezerwithabeeinhisbonnet.com where you will find several of your followers willing to discuss matters at your level.<p>[ 06 January 2002: This message was edited by: Frenchy ]</p>

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Merv, you didn't search hard enough, I'm afraid its you that needs to get your arguments sorted before you make yourself a laughing stock!!

Under the poor attitude to prices heading a message was posted by Mick (Member 477) at 8.17pm on Dec 24th in which he says (quote) "Canveys crowds are not what the team deserve but I think they are what the club deserve".

OK not word for word what I said but the sentiments are exactly the same, no point in splitting hairs is there?

Large slice of humble pie eh Merv?

He,he,he,he,he,he.he!

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No need for humble pie, just lashing of apple pie with ice cream - I'll succumb to that. Like you, I'll admit when I am wrong and I did miss Mick's posting that was on page 3 of an earlier thread.<p>But I don't see how the opinion of Mick, one fan out of an average of 625 (second highest in the Ryman premier, by the way) who visits about ten times per season, plus yourself of course (who has threatened never to come back again), should cause greate concerns at Park Lane.<p>Life is all about making choices. Shall I pay to go to Canvey for what Mick describes in the same posting, "...there's every chance the visitor will see a quality performance from at leason one quality team..." or shall I stay away.<p>I wouldn't dare to ask for an opinion on that one, unless you are more thick skinned than I thought.<p>Merv CIFC

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Hope the pie was nice Merv, I'd say an average crowd of 625 does rather prove the point that Mick made. Just to clear up a few other points, without going over old ground, I've never heard of Carjam and I don't hate Canvey or any other team, I thought non-league fans were above that sort of thing.

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you keep on bleating about how much it costs to go to Burnley, I spent £40 for that day and I have got to say it was the one of the most enjoyable days I have had watching Canvey! I have spent more money on a night out and not had such a good time!

So you don't go to Premier side games as their to expensive? I agree on that and thats just one of the many reasons I watch NonLeague! Now 8 quid is = to what in Premier game terms , Erm, half a match, Oh and Canvey are not the only club to charge that, See Aldershot prices! so already theirs value for money 2 non league games for the price of 1 Premier ship side game.

Last thing, there is Ye ole saying you pay for what you get! Canvey £8 with the exception to Aldershot all the rest non league sides charging slightly less! I rest my case

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Mick,I think I'd agree with most of what you say, nice to find someone who can hold a reasoned debate rather than throwing pathetic childish insults like some I could mention!

I don't think I've quoted you out of context in anyway, in fact the message I refered to I couldn't have put better myself. Can't agree with you trying to excuse Kings foul language though, even if it is no better or worse than others in the Ryman, which I'd dispute, it doesn't make it right, do you think swearing in front of women and children is OK? I couldn't imagine Geoff Chapple behaving like that, OK I know Woking aren't in the Ryman but lets not split hairs. Mind you on TV King came over as a perfect gent, of course they wouldn't broadcast swearing so why should fans put up with it? If clubs like Canvey are allowed to get away with rip off prices there is a danger that non-league will go the same way as the pro game and not many people want that! I wouldn't count too many chickens yet about Conference football, big game tomorrow night and a long way to go yet!

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yup a big big game tomorrow and i for one would only ever count my chickens if we were 20 points ahead with 7 to play .. are you coming to the game john as i hear we are only charging 3 quid to get in? as the opposition is only a ryman league team<p>[ 07 January 2002: This message was edited by: CANV ]</p>

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Canfan, I wouldn't pay £8 to watch Canvey or Aldershot and as I said before your clubs relativly low attendances speak for themselves.

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Perhaps I will go then if it is £3, and maybe bring a pal too, I'm sure I have one somewhere!

Even if the price was double that you'd soon get bigger crowds.

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Take one pace forward, those who have heard the saying "when you're up to your neck in a hole, it's time to stop digging" or the other one about alligators and swamps.....

Crawshaw, BishopsFan, - who told you that YOU could move?????

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I'm flattered that you should all take so much time searching for my old postings. As you will no doubt recall, I tried to strike a balance. I do rather resent selected bits of my messages being quoted, out of context, to support an extreme view.<p>Even to a casual supporter (actually my 10 to 12 games probably ranks me at somewhere between 450 and 600 and well above most of the people at the Northampton game and quite a few of those at Burnley), it is obviously very exciting times at Park Lane and I'm very much looking forward to Conference football next season.<p>I did comment that I felt some of Canvey's financial decisions were slightly distasteful - cup prices/seasons etc but frankly if it were very cheap and the football was rubbish my 10 to 12 games would quickly become 1 or 2. As for Mr King's language, I've played against him, refereed some of his matches and it's no better and no worse than most in Ryman Football. How it compares to Conference we'll hopefully see quite soon!

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John - Your timing has been a bit out, you have hit us with an argument that has been splashed about for the past few weeks and we are just about fed up with hearing the same old bleating. No one likes to hear swearing in front of women and children (mind I have heard some foul mouthed women in my time and also children in recent years) but you have only heard the story from one side and straight away you jump on the 'Lets have another go at Canvey theme'. It does get a little boring and annoying to us Canvey supporters, that is why you met with agreat deal of resistance toward your postings.

It is also somewhat rude for you as a visitor to this board in suggesting to a Canvey supporter to go post elsewhere!!

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by John Crawshaw:

<strong>Canfan, I wouldn't pay £8 to watch Canvey or Aldershot and as I said before your clubs relativly low attendances speak for themselves.</strong><hr></blockquote>

John, for your information Aldershot have the largest fan base in non league, (below the conference) and Canvey for sure do not have the least and what of the other Ryman league clubs that have less fans then Canvey are they charging to much?, (less than Canvey as you keep saying), so your argument about the prices keeping fans away from visiting the Lane is a non starter really!

What you are really saying is your not interested in Non league, (obvious by the sounds of how much you seem to know about it),

Q: why are you here on this discussion board?

And was you visited by the 3 ghost's on xmas eve?

Bar Humbug to you too!!!<p>

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Canfan, I'm well aware of Aldershots large fan base, I'm sure you'll agree they also have a much better ground than Canvey, last nights opponents G&N also have a better ground and charge less to get in, see my point?

Vic, I don't have any anti Canvey agenda and I agree going over the same thing can get boring, I didn't intend to be rude suggesting somebody posted elsewhere, its just he/she was clearly unable to hold a reasoned debate.

Last nights events highlighted, no pun intended, some of the points I've made, leaving aside the game itself, there are postings that refer to chaos outside the ground with drivers unable to park, hundreds still queing outside when the game kicked off, programmes sold out and a floodlight failure and to cap it all the highest admission charge to get into arguably the divisions worst ground, if there is a worse one in Ryman Prem I've not been to it and I've been to most. Admittedly it was about 2 years ago when I last visited Park Lane and there may have been improvements made since but at the time I was suprised that it was acceptable for the Ryman Prem let alone the Conference.

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Dear John, I too come from Kent and you are an embarassment to my county! I'm moving soon so could you tell me your address just in case I'm moving in next door then I can start looking for somewhere else!!!! <img src="graemlins/neon.gif" border="0" alt="[neon]" />

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Don't worry Steve you won't be moving in next to me, but I'm wondering why you are not moving to that exotic island in the Thames you might feel more at home there, a lot of the residents there are also incapable of putting up a reasonable argument, strange though since last nights events a lot of people are saying a lot worse things about the club than I ever have.

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Do you agree then that Aldershot are over charging? or not due to their ground being better then ours?

John 7 years ago we were in the Essex senior, a fast move by any standard to where we are today,(verging on promoion to the conference), So our ground is not exactly going to compare with ex non league clubs such as Aldershot and Gravesend who were Conference.

Our ground has improved over the last 2 years and was conference graded last year, I agree that it could do with some more work,(flood lights that work for starters), but it's no reason to say that we are being fleeced by our club in paying our 8 pounds!

Their are things I'll agree that the club could do fiacially to encourage youngtsers but thats another subject! <p>

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Canfan, I had said previously that I'd made my last posting but as your message is directed at me it would be rude of me to ignore it.

To answer your first two questions the point I was making is that if admission charges were related to the standard of the ground Canvey should be amongst the cheapest, not the dearest.

Yes, the Essex Senior league to where the club is now in 7 years is fast moving, but if I were to win the lottery and buy a club who are currently in said Essex league I could probably achieve the same success, is that really what non-league football is about?

Your ground clearly has not kept up but I'll take your word about improvements over the last 2 years, its nearly that long since I last went there. As for it being Conference standards I suspect many who attended the G&N game will have a vastly different opinion, when I was last there I was suprised it met Ryman Premier standards.

As for your last point, well at least we agree on something!

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Sorry for butting in on this already extensive subject but I think Mr Crawshaw is missing a valuable point. <p>As far as I know Ray Cross has been making a loss with the club. The high (£1 dearer than everyone else!!!) gate prices are so that we can make improvements to the ground. If we still charged £5 as of a few years ago then Mr Cross would be making even more of a loss and therefore the limited funds that we have avaliable for ground improvements would be non existant.<p>John, it doesn't take a scientist to come up with the above paragraph. Please engage brain before turning on PC.

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Shoulders, I think its you who is missing a valuable point.

I have no knowledge of Ray Cross's finances so I can't comment on that, however I wonder how the visiting Gravesend fans, and indeed any other away teams fans, feel about having to pay this £1 'surcharge' to (allegedly) fund your clubs ground improvements.

It certainly doesn't take a scientist to work that out and perhaps you should heed some of your own advice!

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Whenever an away fan pays any entrance fee, the home side are going to benifit (whether for ground improvemets,wages etc). Thats the whole point of gate reciepts. <p>If I went to G&N and paid whatever they charge (probably the exceptional price of £7) I wouldn't moan about them using my money to buy an extra box of mars bars to put behind the bar or a new set of laces for the teams boots. <p>In the same way people like you who feel their team already has a good enough ground shouldn't begrudge a smaller team like us using gate reciepts (whether home or away) to fund some improvements. They certainly should moan constantly.<p>You haven't been for a couple of years. Your £7 for then probably went towards paying for our new changing rooms. I bet your players don't moan when they use our new facilities!<p>I've exhausted my reasonable comments on this subject. So before I explode into a rage of obsenities, I will read your reply John but don't expect one back as I'm bored of you.

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John,the extra pound on admission prices is going to be used on buliding a single seat away from everyone else at Park Lane,facing away from us as well for you to sit on when you next come to Park Lane!! that way you can sit on your own with all your other 'billy no mates'and moan off about the price of a pint of milk and a loaf being too expensive these days.

Ps no one is forced to pay £8 so if people dont like it then don't come, its there loss not Canveys. save your £8 for a magazine on knitting patterns instead mate.. <img src="graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="[rolleyes]" /> <img src="graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="[rolleyes]" />

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