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im sorry andy ford , but its time to call it a day. the team you have created lacks severely in every department, and as it is cannot sustain its position in this league.

 

i have heard all your comments on lack of funds etc....and i know that doesnt make life easy. we are not the only team in that situation , but other teams at least field a team who want to play football.

 

everytime the team takes to the pitch ,it looks to me like none of them know what the other is doing. is that not a tactical problem? do we actually have any tactics? do we not have training sessions? why do we waste every dead ball? we have no imagination and no passion (james pinnock aside). what gets said at half time in the dressing room? whatever it is , its obviously uninspiring.

 

we used to have a team with a never say die attitude , and captain's who could motivate the players..... now we have neither!!

the players are not up to it , your not up to it!!

 

you have done a lot of good work for the club andy , and we all appreciate everything you have done. we know we wouldnt be in this league if it wasnt for your hard work, but its time to admit you cant take us any further. its time to call it a day!!!

 

in an earlier post i suggested adrian pennock as player manager , i still stand by that comment , was nice to hear a good number behind the goal agreeing with me. so how about it ade?

 

we need new direction ,a new manager and maybe a new director aswell. what happened about the takeover suggestion?

 

these are the thoughts of a very dissapointed fan!!!!

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I agree with all you said.

As you quite rightly said Andy has done a great job but he cant take us further.I do feel for Andy It must be hard at the moment.

And its very easy to say time to go,lets not forget the good he has done.

 

I feel the club is going to hit rock bottom times very soon.

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Those who chanted for Adrian Pennock are misguided fools.

 

Without commenting on whether Andy should depart the club,

don't those who were chanting realise how embarrassing it was for Adrian Pennock?

 

I personally think that if Andy does depart from the club, we need a manager WITH EXPERIENCE.

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I think Adrian Pennock would be an excellent choice as Manager!!

He has been around a bit and knows alot of players that would want to join us to play for him!

Jimmy Jackson would come back ("I didnt go to Dagenham for the money anyway I didnt like Andy Ford! What do I need the money for when I live on one of the richest farms in kent? If Ford went I would come back, I love the club to bits!" His exact words!)

 

Even if he isnt the greatest of managers to start with, we will atleast have a half decent team!

Anyway how much experience did Ford have when he took over? Youth Team Football big wow!

 

Go NOW Andy before you get us in the Sh*t even further!

 

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Adrian Pennock Player Manager!!!!

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My personal opinion at the moment is that andy should continue to stay on as manager, mainly because i can't see who else we could attract to manage the club and as good a player as adrian pennock is and as good a player-manager he may become, i think we would need an experienced manager which we can simply not afford or possibly attract.

 

I also thought that the scenes at the end of todays game were outrageous. The last thing the team needs at this moment in time is 'supporters' turning on the team and management. They need them to get behind the team and install confidence and faith in what we have, and what Andy's worked so hard to achieve. I know some people will disagree and say that the 'supporters' i mentioned above are the real fans as they are trying to make a change occur, but as i said at the top we will most probably not be able to attract anyone.

 

Also did anyone really expect us to win today? If todays performance had been against a Farnborough I would have expected this kind of attack on Andy, but this wasn't Farnborough this was Chester who last year finished in the play offs. 4 - 0 flattered them, for the majority we were playing good football, although I would have liked to have seen the set pieces (which we got due to good flowing football) used more effectively than they were.

 

Those were my views before i saw drummer boys post. (I've been writing and jigging with this for a while hence why some of it wont make sense) Now i have to say i'm undecided. I don't know any of the players i'm not going to say i do i am your bog standard average fan, but if what jimmy said is true, then it worries me as there seems to me that there is a problem in the dressing room. As i say i'm undecided and i very much doubt we could attract a manager with experience, but i'm just repeating myself now so i'll stop.

 

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Fortunately, or not, Ade left the ground before the chants although I think he's got a pretty good idea of the fans feelings anyway.

 

Agree with Mik's comments and it does appear the fighting spirit goes as soon as we go one down. Rob and James didn't give up but most did. What chance have we got when even the skipper clearly gives up himself!! I'm afraid our skipper is neither a motivator or captain and is not helping the team when needed most.

 

Andy had nothing to lose by pushing for a point in the second half but that does not excuse the absolute poor attitude and defending displayed towards the end. OK it was another gaff by Alex in goal but it could well have been a few more if it wasn't for some superb saves in the closing minutes. Is there any further news on that left back mentioned recently? I think we will need one soon, that was the worse I've ever seen Skinns play, or not play, and his delivery was atrocious, again!! Got to be something else wrong somewhere.

 

I'm sure Drury will make a difference to the team but it will not be enough to keep us up. Serious changes will have to be taken before end of Sept, pref sooner, the club has nothing to lose and so much to gain.

 

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The last ex-Gills player ( untried )manager we had in this division was Dave Galvin , and what happened then ?

My lad had a match this morning at Southampton , so I couldnt get up to North Kent , but , guys , this was full time ( and under achieving by at least a division )Chester , hitting below their belt , against Northfleet .

 

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we played good football for the majority??? im sure some of you guys go to a different game sometimes. do you all wear rose tinted spectacles?

 

does anyone here really believe we can attract a decent manager from elsewhere? who is available? why would they come?

 

sure pennock lacks managerial experience , but give him a chance and im sure we will see an organised side every week.

 

lets live in the real world , if we dont promote from within ,we will end up searching for another manager which could take weeks , then he has to come in and get to know the players and then hopefully change the tactics , which the players will take time to adjust to, and by then we could be in a far worse position than we are now.

 

at the moment we got time on our side to turn things around , just dont see it happening under the current regime.

 

 

 

 

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As yunggravesendian rightly states, you would have been a fool to expect a Fleet win over Chester today. They have the best defence in the league which works so hard, allowing them to toy with us by soaking up the pressure in the second half, before netting two easy goals near the end. Like against Telford, we matched our opponents before conceding, and then fell away.

 

However, games like this will seem less important come the end of the season, provided that we beat the sides in the league which are likely to be with us at the bottom, like we did against Farnborough on Monday. More performances like that will give us a fighting chance of survival come April.

 

As for talk of Pennock as manager, I agree totally with Super Daz - experience is the key. If we do get rid of Andy (which I must admit I am not sure is a good idea), you only have to look at the abysmal managerial records of footballing legends like Bobby Moore and Bobby Charlton to know that a good player doesn't necessarily make a good manager.

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Right,just got back from work..and have been thinking about this situation all the time i was working...

I disagree with the people calling for andy to be sacked,we can't afford to sack andy,i tried pointing out to the "fans" calling for andy's head that we would go broke if we sacked andy but they wouldn't listen,just saying "we're virtually broke anyway".I think virtually is the key word,if we continue as we are we may well be relegated,actually,we probably will be,but at least we'll still exist.If we sack andy i don't think the fleet will have a future,i know which i'd prefer...

The "fans" who sang at the end were singing VERY loudly,if they put this much effort into singing for the team normally i'm sure the team would perform better.

The performance itself was poor in the first half but better in the second,until of course we let in those two goals.I think fans have got to realise we are a small club,chester are a big club,we weren't likily to win so the angry singing towards the end was very much over the top....(this point was made by yunggravesendian before but i feel it needs to be made again).

No doubt i've forgotten a whole load of the things i was going to say here but hey...

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Im sorry but the fact that we were "unlikely to win" does not count as a valid excuse. Look at it this way. The bookies and a lot of other people expect us to go down. So does this mean you are going to be happy with relegation? You are just going to say "Angry singing is ott because we were expected to go down anyway"?

 

CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE

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As ive said before im beheind Fordy ok some decisions he makes bemuse me (but ive only managed on my computer) the club have come a long way in the last 3 years. Getting promoted and staying up maybe the club need to make fordy full time!! y not then we can judge him. Fordy would the have the chance to work on the team whithout having to focus on other outside football!! Make Andy full time u never know!!

 

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Re. Paulo's comments on Steve Mckimm & to adapt the words of another poster in this thread, "Were you watching a different game to me today, Paulo?"

 

This was my first game this season after a long holiday, topping up the tan, but I thought Steve worked brilliantly as captain. In the first 30 minutes he, Rob Owen, Pat Gradley & Jamie Pinnock dominated proceedings, keeping the pressure constantly in Chester's half. I thought Macca played like a true captain all game, though admittedly his (unnecessary) booking did curb his terrier like tackling.

 

Given the opposition & our weakneses, we tried to to play the only way we could play and have a chance. With 3 central defenders out, injured, we had to run ourselves into the ground, disrupt their pattern & look to grab a goal.

 

It didn't come - to be honest, Chester's ability to crowd palyers out, as soon as they had a sniff of the goal was pretty awesome - & just as I was becoming worried that each of our players had run 3 times as far as his counterpart, they scored an extremely fortuitous goal & followed it up almost immediately from a corner we failed to defend. But let's be honest, would the 1st have gone in if Wilko had been between the sticks? Would the 2nd even have caused a problem if Pennock, Duku or Trott had been on the pitch?

 

As for the final score, we could have kept it at 0-2, if we'd kept the formation, but what would have been the point? Andy brought on Abbey, to provide another forward & went for an enormous gamble of just Skins, Sarge & Shearer at the back. If we'd got a goal, it might have unsettled them. As it was, we tired & they took advantage. I for one would rather lose 0-4 with a manager who doesn't give up at 0-2, than 0-1 with one who thinks about goal difference in the 6th game of the season.

 

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It's all about money, now, I would have thought. This is a wild guess here, a first team player would get around £250 - £400 p.w. Say the former as a point of reference. A squad of 20 players costs £5000 p.w minimum plus management , field staff, trainers, etc. so bump it up to £6000 pw. Add on fuel bills, ground rent etc. and we could be up to a minimum, a really base minimum of £7500pw. Now get real and add another £5000 at least on to that because I've horribly underestimated everything and we've got an expenditure of 12,000 pw compared with a gate receipt income, based on 1000 turning up, of £10,000. Add on sponsorship money then take it away again to pay for the Police on matchday.We're losing money. That's the deal. If Andy does go and a new man comes in, that's all he has to work with. Scary, eh?

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I take no satisfaction from agreeing with Mik but something has to be done NOW !!!!. We need a manager who can organise the team properly - at times yesterday it was like watching schoolboys - and I think that if Adrian Pennock was in charge potential sponsors would be more likely to get involved. This would give him the financial clout we badly need if we are going to stay up and I'm sure bring those desperately needed fans through the gates. Change the manager NOW before it's too late.

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I wasnt talking about going bust Fleetboy, just the fact that SOME fans seem to think a 4-0 defeat is okay just because we were playing "the big boys". If it had only been 1-0 or a close match where we looked like getting a point a lot of fans chanting at the end would not have. The performance was rubbish and until they start improving fans will chant angrily at the end.

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Those slating us because we lost 4-0 - did they see the comments from Mark Wright, the Chester Manager, to Chas Webster, that appeared in the NLP??

 

It says "I dont think they deserved to get beaten like that. They've had a real go at us today. I felt sorry for them and I dont think the crowd were right to have a go at the manager".

 

It goes on "We thoroughly dserved it, but I dont think the scoreline is fair to Gravesend. They had a lot of possession and worked their socks off. We had chances and we took them. Give them credit, they've got to keep going, got to keep fighting, and I dont think they deserved a spanking as big as they got".

 

(Sorry for lifting that, Chas, but thought it appropriate to use it here)

 

We matched them for 30 minutes, then conceded 2 soft goals, and it was always going to be difficult from there.

 

Its alright to blame O'Reilly for the first goal (and this does seem to be a weakness of his game, if we look at the first goal at Woking as well)but should a simple header through the middle have put him in that position? Undoubtedly not, but had Pennock been playing Centre Back/ sweeper, I doubt it would have happened.

 

For the second goal, I thought the blame lay with Matt Lee, as much as Rob Haworth. If you have to pull a forward back to do a defenders job, errors will occur - after all, how many forwards can truly defend well? But Matt's dreadful clearance 2 minutes earlier which saw the ball returtned deep and O'Reilly concede the corner was the real problem in my opinion (and he otherwise had a decent game, considering he again had to fill in at Centre Half)

 

It was also easy to criticise some of the balls played into the centre, but several were actually decent balls, which surely would have been in the back of the net had we got a true centre forward.Mind you, we do need to sort out the free kicks properly as all were wasted on the day (and Ford admitted this in the NLP as well)

 

We must stand behind the team if we are to survive - not turn tail and run, or worse, turn up and turn against the players and management.

 

Look at Kettering last year - their fans stood 4 square behind them, until it was mathematically impossible for them to survive. Lets do the same for the Fleet this year (and hopefully, it wont be with the same end result as Kettering)

 

And, in the case of Ade Pennock, I cannot believe that Andy does not use his experience in providing input to the team and its performance - I know I would be using that experience if I were Andy, and I'm sure that Andy isnt so stupid that he ignores this option as well.

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