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Just ask yourself the simple question, how will the FA achieve their stated aims of promoting 16 Step 5 Clubs to Step 4 whilst relegating the bottom Clubs from that level. All then becomes clearer.

 

All the official stuff from the FA says there will be 14 teams promoted. The latest mention I know of is from October when the FA put the step 4 application form online.

 

"With regard to promotion at the end of this season, in order for the Isthmian league Step 4 divisions to increase to 24 clubs each, there will be 14 clubs promoted.  The clubs finishing in the top position in their current Step 5 league and be in possession of a Grade E by 31 March 2013 will be eligible for promotion.  In the event of the first placed club not being eligible, the clubs finishing in second or third position can be considered subject the clubs being in possession of a Grade E by 31 March 2013 however this cannot be guaranteed. "

 

http://www.thefa.com/Leagues/NationalLeagueSystem/NewsAndFeatures/2012/promotion-to-step-4-2012-13

 

There will only be 12 step 5 leagues promoting sides using the new promotion rules so the 'if vacancies still exist' bit comes in with two leagues promoting a second club this season only. That's my reading of it.

You have to bear in mind that, in the past, the rules have said 12 up from the 14 step 5 leagues. When there have been 13 eligible clubs they have still only promoted 12 despite giving reprieves at step 4. As of this season it's 14 up. Assuming they operate the same way they always have, they won't promote more than 14 and will reprieve at step 4.

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All the official stuff from the FA says there will be 14 teams promoted. The latest mention I know of is from October when the FA put the step 4 application form online.

 

"With regard to promotion at the end of this season, in order for the Isthmian league Step 4 divisions to increase to 24 clubs each, there will be 14 clubs promoted.  The clubs finishing in the top position in their current Step 5 league and be in possession of a Grade E by 31 March 2013 will be eligible for promotion.  In the event of the first placed club not being eligible, the clubs finishing in second or third position can be considered subject the clubs being in possession of a Grade E by 31 March 2013 however this cannot be guaranteed. "

 

http://www.thefa.com/Leagues/NationalLeagueSystem/NewsAndFeatures/2012/promotion-to-step-4-2012-13

 

There will only be 12 step 5 leagues promoting sides using the new promotion rules so the 'if vacancies still exist' bit comes in with two leagues promoting a second club this season only. That's my reading of it.

You have to bear in mind that, in the past, the rules have said 12 up from the 14 step 5 leagues. When there have been 13 eligible clubs they have still only promoted 12 despite giving reprieves at step 4. As of this season it's 14 up. Assuming they operate the same way they always have, they won't promote more than 14 and will reprieve at step 4.

I think that was just another FA typo VP. The maths don't add up. If they want 4 extra teams at Step 4 and want 6 relegated then 16 have to come up from Step 5. If they only promote 14 then it must always have been their intention to reprieve 2

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It may well be a typo but it's repeated in the FA handbook.

 

This all came about because of the step 5 / 6 review. As well as relegating the bottom step 4 clubs they also said step 5 leagues must have between 20 and 22 teams next season. Does this mean wholesale changes at this level around the country that we're unaware of? We all know the Hellenic, Kent and Essex are short on numbers but the Northern League has too many due to getting two down this season and not promoting any. It'll be interesting to see if this policy is carried through.

They also said clubs relegated and promoted between steps 5 and 6 would be pooled and allocated to leagues by the FA rather than automatically stay in the same league. If they follow this through then the bottom three in the Premier Division will be relegated no matter what.

 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the FA meeting next week.

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Yep, that's where it all started last May with the FA boldly declaring that extra Clubs would be given the opportunity to be promoted from Step 5 to Step 4 fro season 2013/14. Lets see how far they can back-track from that position over the next couple of weeks ;)  

 

 

Press Release recd today from Mike Appleby : 


PRESS RELEASE


NATIONAL LEAGUE SYSTEM STEP 5 REVIEW




At a meeting of the Football Association Leagues Committee held today at Wembley Stadium the Final Report from the Step 5/6 Review Group, containing a number of recommendations was considered. 

By way of background, the Review Group was established by the Leagues Committee in 2011 to look at a possible reduction in the number of Step 5 divisions from 14 to 12 for the commencement of season 2013/2014. Following an initial meeting with all competitions in July 2011 there followed an extensive consultation period during which all Step 5/6 competitions were met on an individual basis to seek their views on this matter. The initial remit of the Group was altered to take into account the feedback from these meetings. In the early part of 2012 the Group held a series of meetings to which all Step 5 leagues, their member clubs and County Football Associations were invited to consider the suggestion for change. 

As a result of these meetings the Review Group, taking into account both the feedback from the discussions and correspondence received, complied their Final Report and the following recommendations were agreed by the Leagues Committee today.
  • That the process of reducing Step 5 leagues from 14 to 12 was deemed unworkable and the initial suggestion withdrawn.
  • That, in order to continue to compete at Step 5 of the National League System, ALL clubs must meet the National Ground Grading Category F in FULLby 31 March 2013. Clubs that do not meet these requirements WILL be relegated to an appropriate Step 6 division/competition.

In addition all Leagues must fully comply with the Regulations for the Establishment and Operation of the National League System, Standardised Rules and National Ground Grading Document.
  • That all Step 5 divisions must have a minimum of 20 clubs with a maximum of 22 clubs from the commencement of season 2013/2014.
· That the Leagues Committee would, in future, in conjunction with the appropriate leagues, manage the promotion/relegation process between Step 5 and Step 6 and that as from the end of season 2012/2013 clubs would be placed into “feeder pools” and allocated the most appropriate geographical division. 

· That, with effect from Season 2013/2014, the Premier Divisions of the Isthmian, Northern Premier and Southern Football Leagues (Step 3) be increased to 24 clubs. 

· That, with effect from Season 2013/2014 and in order to create 14 relegation places at Step 4, the Isthmian League Division 1 North and Division 1 South (Step 4) be increased to 24 clubs with each relegating 3 clubs to Step 5, subject to any club issues arising during or after the completion of the playing season. It was noted that the Northern Premier and Southern Leagues have no desire to increase to 24 clubs for their Step 4 divisions. This will mean that a number of additional clubs will be given the opportunity to be promoted from Step 5 to Step 4 for season 2013/2014, the process is to be agreed. 

In future seasons, to stimulate promotion, consideration would be given to clubs that finish in 1st, 2nd or 3rd positions in Step 5 competitions provided that they meet the entry criteria for Step 4. There would, however, be only one club promoted from any Step 5 competition in any season. In addition, it was agreed that at the conclusion of Season 2012/2013 the clubs finishing in bottom position in each of the Step 4 divisions would be relegated. 

· It was further agreed that discussions should take place with all leagues to look at the possibility that, regardless of any vacancies occurring, the club finishing in the bottom positions in divisions at Steps 1 to 5 of the National League System will be relegated. 

· That there remained issues to be addressed at Step 6, not least in the Essex area, and these will be progressed in the coming months. 


Review Group wished to place on record their thanks to all those leagues, clubs, County Football Associations and others that had contributed in any way to the consultation process. 



Mike Appleby 
Leagues & Clubs Manager 
On behalf of the Leagues Committee 
May 2012

 

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Indeed Chris, but GFC have adopted a "belt & braces" approach as various FA documents state that only 14 Clubs will definitely be promoted. If true, to be one of those 14 they need to win both of their remaining fixtures as by dropping 2 points they would only equal Aylesbury in the ppg table and the FA haven't stated that it then goes to goal difference (which would make sense but since when are the FA sensible?)

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There are definitely 14 going up from step 5, probably 16 and maybe 17. If I was a betting man I'd put my money on 16 but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be 14. 17 would surprise me so I reckon Barkingside are staying down.

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Guernsey won 2-0 today so a win tomorrow will absolutely, definitely see them promoted. A draw or defeat and it's wait and see what happens......

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the lads are shattered, but have come so far, in such difficult circumstances, so tomorrow is a cup final day and only a win will do

 

then there will be no if and buts from the men in blazers

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the lads are shattered, but have come so far, in such difficult circumstances, so tomorrow is a cup final day and only a win will do

 

then there will be no if and buts from the men in blazers

As the best team in this league we certainly deserve it. No chickens being counted here though.

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This is the first time I have Said this Good Luck tomorrow Guernsey Hope you do get one of the promotion slots as one going up is so unfair to step 5 clubs. Got to say Best Team in the League are Egham Town fc. #Champions :rolleyes:

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Woth Guernsey and Egham promoted, its a excellent chance for other clubs to prove their worth and be next seasons CCL Premier Champions !

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Slightly OT, but may I ask which teams would be coming into the CCL next season from Step 7?

 

I have heard that Old Farnborians have been mentioned on here, but on NLM a 'MisterTwoU' has said that Broadfields United could be joining the CCL next season.

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Slightly OT, but may I ask which teams would be coming into the CCL next season from Step 7?

 

I have heard that Old Farnborians have been mentioned on here, but on NLM a 'MisterTwoU' has said that Broadfields United could be joining the CCL next season.

Who?

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I think they are currently in the Middlesex County, and play their home games in Hillingdon (possibly at the Athletics Stadium).

 

If I can find his post on NLM, I'll post a link here.

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Just going back to that FA document, it is quite clear that the figure promoted each season IN FUTURE will be 14.

 

This season they have to expand, but reading the document again:

 

That, with effect from Season 2013/2014 and in order to create 14 relegation places at Step 4, the Isthmian League Division 1 North and Division 1 South (Step 4) be increased to 24 clubs with each relegating 3 clubs to Step 5, subject to any club issues arising during or after the completion of the playing season.

 

The increase to three down from next year will provide the 13th and 14th relegation spot. They probably didn't make clear how many would go up this year because they, like us all year, simply have been guessing, and only now with the clubs who have resigned or who are eligible to go up are they in a position to know. That's why I believe it will be 17 and Barkingside will go up in my opinion, unless for some reason they reprieve Woodford United, or I suppose, more likely Walton Casuals.

 

It also now means that if 14 Step Five leagues all have an eligible Champion club, that they can all go up. It was little known before that a Champion club could technically fail to be moved up if there were 12 others with the grading and a better PPG. This anomaly would have come into focus more as a greater  number of Step Five clubs aim higher and have the correct facilities.

 

 

 

 

 

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What about rule 5.4 from this season's FA handbook?

 

"Where a vacancy occurs within the NLS the following procedures will apply:-

(i) Where a vacancy occurs in a particular division prior to the end of the Playing Season, the Club concerned would be classed as one of the relegated Clubs in a relegation position.
(ii) Where a vacancy occurs following the completion of the Playing Season then the best ranked Club in a relegation position across the particular Step would be reprieved. The ranking to be determined by the average points gained per game played and comparable league position.
(iii) Where a vacancy occurs after the date of a League AGM then a competition would not be able to replace the Club(s) concerned"

 

As all the step 4 leagues have played all their games I assume the vacancies count as 'following the completion of the playing season'.

Walton Casuals are the best ranked club in a relegation position.

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