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15th. NOVEMBER 2014 - UPDATES.

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It's the refs' fault, the league's fault, the clubs' fault, the dog's fault.... Alternatively, it might just be a consequence of having an interest, from casual to obsessive in a standard of football that has limited resources and facilities that can reflect that.

 

I travelled from London to Alton yesterday quite familiar with the wet product falling from the sky. Had the game been called off, I wouldn't have looked for anyone to blame, I'd have put it down to experience.

 

Referees at this level will vary in ability but despite everyone being convinced they could do a better job, we'd be sunk without them.

 

If you call a game off too early, people moan. If you give it a chance and it has to be abandoned, people moan. If you play it, but, as a consequence of doing so, the pitch takes an age to recover, people moan. There is a common thread here, which I shall leave the bright sparks out there to spot.

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Hanworth did not get a referee in as the pitch was fine

There was a 10.30 pitch inspection, and yes the pitch was fine, the referee and assistants were called and were all told the game was on.

 

The ground staff were still working on the pitch when the deluge came, I agree the ref probably didn't fancy it.

 

Hopefully we can get the game re-arranged for this coming Wednesday, if not it will be another mid-week fixture both ways!!!

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I guess that the best way I can describe Windsor's win against Colliers Wood was that it was akin to The Great Escape. I really do like the way CWU approach games against us. They have bags of pace and movement going forward and pretty solid at the other end of the pitch. We huffed and puffed a lot but didn't really get going until we went 1-0 down. All of a sudden, we increased the urgency and started to move the ball with a lot more purpose. we sneaked an equaliser on something like the 88th minute and the relief behind the goal was clearly visible. Into stoppage time and the referee was in the perfect position to see a push on one of our forwards. There were no complaints at all from any of the visitors and that is as good a benchmark as any to say that the referee got it right. Pen duly dispatched and relief all round. CWU should be gutted that they didn't get something out of the game that their play deserved. The positive is that after two horror displays against Highfield Town and Farnham Town we showed great spirit in getting the three points.

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We'd already got back on track against Reading Town of course.

 

We do seem prone to sudden blips in form - I guess the fact this one was only 1 league game should be seen as a positive.

 

And yes, every time we play CWU they look like a decent team in a false position, yet always to get stuck in the lower half for most of the season. (Sorry if that's a false impression I've gained there, I don't tend to study the table too closely...)

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We'd already got back on track against Reading Town of course.

 

We do seem prone to sudden blips in form - I guess the fact this one was only 1 league game should be seen as a positive.

 

And yes, every time we play CWU they look like a decent team in a false position, yet always to get stuck in the lower half for most of the season. (Sorry if that's a false impression I've gained there, I don't tend to study the table too closely...)

What you trying to say Rotter,lmho from the top to the bottom of this league the only difference is a winning mentality,their is no vast difference in the players at all of the clubs,as i have said before unless you get promoted the rest of the clubs from 2nd down are just also rans,if you get relegated then that is the managers fault for not doing his job right (for whatever reason). 

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Fair comments above.

Our report for Windsor 2-1 Wood is here - http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/collierswoodunited1874/301423/Matches/report/5691028

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Alton 1-4 Lammas

 

Firstly I would like to say what a very nice and welcoming club they are and thank you for your hospitality.

 

The game was a decent one with both sides getting the ball down and trying to play good football.

 

I must say that I was delighted with our teams performance, our best of the season in my opinion, really please for the gaffer who has worked his socks off.

 

Big game at home against high flying Worcester Park on Saturday to come, will be a cracking game for the neutral.

 

Up The Lammas!!

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I got a feeling in my bones that this could be your season Ellers,lf the manager is working his socks off then i presume so are the players,a team is afterall a reflection of the man in charge.

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Duncs, we had a difficult start to the season, but Gavin has worked hard and over the last few weeks we have had a squad that has not changed so much and we are playing well, we may be too far off the pace to go up this season, but you never know, we're working hard both on and off the pitch and hopefully that hard work pays off.

 

There's a very long way to go and no team is running away with it yet, I think by Christmas we will see who the real challengers for promotion are, fingers crossed that were in that pack.

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Hard work pays as they say Ellers,its a major part of a managers job to get hard work out of his players and the best way for that to happen is to have a fit squad to pick from,all players are responsible for their own fitness levels but training the team properly comes very high on the list of priorities imo. 

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is it possible the ref at hanworth didnt fancy the game because rumours have spread amongst them that bottles were thrown at the officials on tuesdays game with guildford and racist chanting was heard? Maybe he was worried about his safety? Can be the only reason i can think he would call off what has been described by several players and fans as "perfectly playable". Certainly an incredibly hostile environment to be involved in

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Alton 1-4 Lammas

 

Firstly I would like to say what a very nice and welcoming club they are and thank you for your hospitality.

 

The game was a decent one with both sides getting the ball down and trying to play good football.

 

I must say that I was delighted with our teams performance, our best of the season in my opinion, really please for the gaffer who has worked his socks off.

 

Big game at home against high flying Worcester Park on Saturday to come, will be a cracking game for the neutral.

 

Up The Lammas!!

More than worthy winners, for sure, from where I was sitting. Easier to look like you're playing with a common purpose when you're winning, naturally, but the visitors definitely looked to have it.

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All the above comments regarding referee's crying off must surely be another argument in favour of 3G.

 

Problem is the funding.

 

I'm quietly awaiting M.V.D.C's decision on Meadowbank's refurbishment, but enough said by me for now on that subject !!

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is it possible the ref at hanworth didnt fancy the game because rumours have spread amongst them that bottles were thrown at the officials on tuesdays game with guildford and racist chanting was heard? Maybe he was worried about his safety? Can be the only reason i can think he would call off what has been described by several players and fans as "perfectly playable". Certainly an incredibly hostile environment to be involved in

You really shouldn't comment purely on rumours, bottles thrown? Really!!! I'd like you to prove that rumour!!!

 

And as for racist chanting, can you really be sure on that? Choose your comments more wisely, fact is we had 6 IC3 players playing and on the bench on Tuesday, if any racist chanting existed would these same 6 players be present as yesterday's fixture? I think not!!!

 

Stop spouting your bulls* *t and state facts, if you wasnt present then shut up on about something you know feck all about.

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Ghastly, Ghastly, Ghastly...the real meaning of 3G

Thats your opinion,mine is Great Great Great,having played on one for the last 6 weeks have to say why has it taken so long for the uk to get the ball rolling,i believe Germany have around 9000 and we have 800 nuff said.  ;)

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Thats your opinion,mine is Great Great Great,having played on one for the last 6 weeks have to say why has it taken so long for the uk to get the ball rolling,i believe Germany have around 9000 and we have 800 nuff said.  ;)

Yes, and although they are differing opinions, they are equally valid. I will continue to watch proper football wherever possible and anyone who wants to watch a pale imitation of it is, quite obviously, free to do so. Great it ain't, football it ain't and if I can't pay to watch proper football in one place, because it's been taken over by tip-tap, I'll go somewhere that I can.

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Yes, and although they are differing opinions, they are equally valid. I will continue to watch proper football wherever possible and anyone who wants to watch a pale imitation of it is, quite obviously, free to do so. Great it ain't, football it ain't and if I can't pay to watch proper football in one place, because it's been taken over by tip-tap, I'll go somewhere that I can.

Quite agree with you VOR but as has been highlighted in this thread already, limited club resources & games not needing much to be called off coupled with winter's that seem to get wetter by the year & club's losing finances as a result I think 3G's going to become a necessity for some clubs. It could also help form if club's don't have stop start patches in the season. It doesn't seem to have affected Whyteleafe's season.

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Quite agree with you VOR but as has been highlighted in this thread already, limited club resources & games not needing much to be called off coupled with winter's that seem to get wetter by the year & club's losing finances as a result I think 3G's going to become a necessity for some clubs. It could also help form if club's don't have stop start patches in the season. It doesn't seem to have affected Whyteleafe's season.

 

All well and good Foxy but where do level 4,5 & 6 even lower/higher level get funds to have a 3/4G pitch.  Fund raining for alot of money around £600,000 (I believe) for a complete pitch & surroundings takes along time unless the club has a major sugar daddy !!!  ;)

 

Even if the FA help, how many clubs can they help,?  

 

Lets be realistic, it won't happen but maybe ''some'' clubs will be fortunate enough with help from somewhere.

 

As a footnote:  I do understand the matter of weather causing problems, but I think with 3/4G whilst it is great for coaching etc., I do think we would miss the excitement grass pitches gives us, in so far that different conditions bring out different and vary players skill factor  and decision making.  As an example for excitement, especially on wet conditions, is when a defender makes a slide tackle or has to slide in order stop the ball going over the line  to prevent a goal, I'd imagine the player wouldn't do that on 3/4G with a risk of a massive ''grass'' burn.... even if nowadays that wouldn't be the case, it would go thru;' their mind and a goal will be scored when perhaps it could have been prevented ?

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against 3/4G pitches, I just think sometimes its not realistic football which grass pitches give.  There's room for pros & cons conversation on both sides of the fence, but as mentioned above, I think finance is a stumbling block however, if a club does get 3/4G its good for getting finance into the club that's for sure.

 

Maybe I'm a purist ?

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I don't think it's just levels 4, 5 & 6 BG, I think a lot of Step 3 clubs would struggle as well but in some cases it's needs must. Take Chessington & Hook for example. Around this time of year if it's rained in the week there will be a good chance a home game will be off. They are often behind with games, which gives people like Lazarus constant headaches. If they had an artificial surface then they wouldn't have that problem & it's clubs like that that the FA should be trying to assist first. Granted it is expensive but the revenue that it would bring in will help the repayment of that I would imagine.

 

I'm agreeing with you regards to missing grass pitches & I'd love to see all non league clubs with suitable grass facilities but it's not realistic anymore. Virtually every team trains on a 3G pitch now, meaning that teams would be training on the surface their often going to play on & even a lot of professional turfs mix grass with 4G so it can't be that different. Players sliding or the pace/bounce of the ball is often the argument thrown up in this circumstance but I've seen players sliding on 3G & you could argue would the same players make a sliding tackle in July/August when the ground is dry? At the end of the day, good players will do what is necessary without thinking & will adapt their game according to their surface their playing on.

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4g is the way forward.

 

So many arguments for, bog all against.

 

Money is the obstacle of course, but only short term if the project is well planned.

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Quite agree with you VOR but as has been highlighted in this thread already, limited club resources & games not needing much to be called off coupled with winter's that seem to get wetter by the year & club's losing finances as a result I think 3G's going to become a necessity for some clubs. It could also help form if club's don't have stop start patches in the season. It doesn't seem to have affected Whyteleafe's season.

 

It's refs that are getting wetter by the year.

If David Icke was still involved in football he'd come up with some crackpot conspiracy theory that refs are being controlled by artificial pitch manufacturers. Have you noticed the pitches are the same colour as the reptilian humanoids who run the planet? #JustSaying

 

http://youtu.be/vHZWyMFgM80

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Better late than never, here is the match report from our narrow defeat at Cove.

 

I could say we were robbed, but at the end of the day if we don't put it in the net, it's no one else's fault but our own!

 

http://www.eefconline.co.uk/LCN129.html

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