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If that is the calm version I dread to think what the first one might have looked like

 

 

Rich can be extremely eloquent in conversation, so I have a pretty good idea of the original !

 

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Thanks all. It was definitely the calm version.

 

There were things I would have loved to add, like the assistant calling our player a name, but I only had that from supporters nearby and didn't witness it myself.

 

I haven't witnessed a performance like it in years watching at this level.

 

I have also had confirmation that the assessor was in there for quite some time. We'll have to get the stopwatch out at this rate, but I'm glad that we had assessors present on both occasions.

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Maybe you have had a friendly chat with the assessor after the match when things had calmed down, Rich.

 

I always found them sociable, friendly and very informative when DFC were in the prem.

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Yes, as a rule and one recently explained the procedures they follow which was also informative.

 

I tend not to stick around after the away games as I have to tweet stuff and then get home, trying not to run anyone over on the way, while I'm thinking about the fella that just ruined my evening!  

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Thanks all. It was definitely the calm version.

 

There were things I would have loved to add, like the assistant calling our player a name, but I only had that from supporters nearby and didn't witness it myself.

 

I haven't witnessed a performance like it in years watching at this level.

 

I have also had confirmation that the assessor was in there for quite some time. We'll have to get the stopwatch out at this rate, but I'm glad that we had assessors present on both occasions.

while in no way condoning the assistant would you add to every report when a player calls an official a name ?

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while in no way condoning the assistant would you add to every report when a player calls an official a name ?

 

 

I still think you should be doing assessing Kroons.  I always valued your on match opinions !

 

Hey-Ho.  Cricket in the summer, football when possible.

 

(p.s.  There is absolutely NO truth in the scurrilous rumour that young Kroons is going to get Septic Blatters job after he gets sent down !!)

 

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I'm glad I never attracted the wrath of Rich!

 

Funny how you did the right back line on Monday night. Your choice?  :ph34r:  :D

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Funny how you did the right back line on Monday night. Your choice?  :ph34r:  :D

Mewc wasn't there.

I was on the line ... referee's choice

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Mewc wasn't there.

I was on the line ... referee's choice

 

Oh I was reading another post from you and never thought. Of course it was you dear boy.

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Wednesday Results


 


Mx Premier Cup


Southall 2-6 Bedfont & Feltham AET


Staines Lammas 8-0 Northwood Reserves (at Chertsey)


 


Grant McLellan Cup


Windsor 0-8 Ashford


Edited by Chris Clapham

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while in no way condoning the assistant would you add to every report when a player calls an official a name ?

No, but thought it relevant to mention here as our player got sent off for something similar. I would also reiterate that I didn't refer to this in my report as I had the information second hand, and whilst I don't doubt the authenticity of the source, it was not fair for me to put something in that was just hearsay.

 

As always in these cases and especially with swearing it is about the context, as you would never finish with any players otherwise! I am well aware of one excellent ref who likes to give it back to the players and essentially he is speaking to them the same way as they would to him. I have no problem with this whatsoever. Sometimes it is more sinister and less in jest and the source indicated that it was that type of comment.

 

As an aside I semi-jokingly suggested to the ref as he walked off at half time that I was looking forward to the second half kick off as it would be the first thing he had got right (he was seven minutes late kicking off in the first half), and I thought the Assistant was going to come back and argue with me, actually being held back by his other assistant. He had done our game on Saturday also, which was very poorly refereed and clearly held some sort of grudge as he referred to that match in his comments to me. The other assistant has complained about our bench once this season also, in our win at Ashford, which is stupid as our bench are a lot quieter than many others and certainly not as aggressive or unpleasant.

 

Our player clearly said something but the ref had no time to make any judgement on context and had the red card out almost before our player had finished speaking. It was almost as if he was just waiting for something, and whilst you cannot condone the player's action, we were just celebrating a fortunate equaliser and players are bound to let off a bit of steam. It's all about the context.

 

Finally, believe me, it's not just my wrath here. The players are seething and one of their dads accused the officials on our club facebook page of systematic cheating. I was obviously unable to comment on that officially, although seeing as this is a private account I must advise that I have massive sympathy for that viewpoint. 

 

Although the last two have been particularly poor, this year's officiating (Ashford Town and Dorking Wanderers aside) is well down on last year's from what I have seen after 20 matches and again, check out my reports from last year and you'll see very few comments about the officials in the fifty matches we played, despite the 11 sending offs we had, almost all of which were justified in my opinion.

 

As you can tell, I'm still angry about it!

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Generally speaking, and putting aside some poor individual decisions, I feel the refereeing is better this season Rich.

I do have a little concern about the quality of a few assistant referees and, in a few cases, the fitness levels here are quite concerning.

One other plus on the officials this season is an apparent concerted effort to socialise better post match. We get many of the usual suspects staying behind for a while but at a recent home game, all 3 officials were still at the club nearing 8pm.  :)

While I am here, I should add that most of the clubs/players we have played against, home or away, seem more sociable and approachable as well.  :wub:

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Full Time

 

Middlesex Premier Cup

 

Southall 2

 

Bedfont & Feltham 6

 

AFTER EXTRA TIME!

 

Really enjoyed this end to end game both teams tried to play football on a very wet, heavy and muddy pitch.

 

Southall were the better team in the first half with J.Ward opening the scoring for the ALL and giving them a dream start!

 

Bedfont & Feltham were the better team in the second half and extra time with L.Craig pulling the strings and controlling the game from midfield and J.Lambe putting away a hatrick.

 

The best team won in my opinion.

 

Will the Southall manager be charge on Saturday? i dont know i do like him and he is a nice guy but maybe his time is up? If he is still in charge for Saturdays game (if its on as our pitch is a mess) and they lose to Hillingdon Borough then he will be gone i think which is a shame after the pre-season promise and smashing Ampthill Town 5 2 Away on the opening day of the season.

 

Watch this space.....

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Wednesday Results

 

Mx Premier Cup

Southall 2-6 Bedfont & Feltham AET

Staines Lammas 8-0 Northwood Reserves (at Chertsey)

 

Grant McLellan Cup

Windsor 0-8 Ashford

 

 

 

WOW  !!  Anyone care to comment ?

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No, but thought it relevant to mention here as our player got sent off for something similar. I would also reiterate that I didn't refer to this in my report as I had the information second hand, and whilst I don't doubt the authenticity of the source, it was not fair for me to put something in that was just hearsay.

 

As always in these cases and especially with swearing it is about the context, as you would never finish with any players otherwise! I am well aware of one excellent ref who likes to give it back to the players and essentially he is speaking to them the same way as they would to him. I have no problem with this whatsoever. Sometimes it is more sinister and less in jest and the source indicated that it was that type of comment.

 

As an aside I semi-jokingly suggested to the ref as he walked off at half time that I was looking forward to the second half kick off as it would be the first thing he had got right (he was seven minutes late kicking off in the first half), and I thought the Assistant was going to come back and argue with me, actually being held back by his other assistant. He had done our game on Saturday also, which was very poorly refereed and clearly held some sort of grudge as he referred to that match in his comments to me. The other assistant has complained about our bench once this season also, in our win at Ashford, which is stupid as our bench are a lot quieter than many others and certainly not as aggressive or unpleasant.

 

Our player clearly said something but the ref had no time to make any judgement on context and had the red card out almost before our player had finished speaking. It was almost as if he was just waiting for something, and whilst you cannot condone the player's action, we were just celebrating a fortunate equaliser and players are bound to let off a bit of steam. It's all about the context.

 

Finally, believe me, it's not just my wrath here. The players are seething and one of their dads accused the officials on our club facebook page of systematic cheating. I was obviously unable to comment on that officially, although seeing as this is a private account I must advise that I have massive sympathy for that viewpoint. 

 

Although the last two have been particularly poor, this year's officiating (Ashford Town and Dorking Wanderers aside) is well down on last year's from what I have seen after 20 matches and again, check out my reports from last year and you'll see very few comments about the officials in the fifty matches we played, despite the 11 sending offs we had, almost all of which were justified in my opinion.

 

As you can tell, I'm still angry about it!

 

 

I think we all gathered that, Rich !

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WOW  !!  Anyone care to comment ?

 

It's what happens when you lose all your players and have to use last season's under 16's

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It's what happens when you lose all your players and have to use last season's under 16's

 

Where did the players go?

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Where did the players go?

 

Uni, work, down the pub !  They'd reached the upper age limit Chris but unfortunately there was a lack of U17's so we had to go with the U16's from last season.  They'll take some hammerings to start with but the experience will be good to set them up for the next two years.

If the then U18 manager had listened to the idea of integrating some younger players as the season progressed instead of wanting to win every game then this transition might not have been quite so difficult for the current crop of youngsters.

I don't know if other clubs are experiencing the same issues but any decent standard players between 16 & 18 all seem to be signing up for these full time sports academy setups where education is included so they get an NVQ or whatever at the end - there are currently at least 4 of these operating in a fairly local area to us that I know of.   

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Generally speaking, and putting aside some poor individual decisions, I feel the refereeing is better this season Rich.

I do have a little concern about the quality of a few assistant referees and, in a few cases, the fitness levels here are quite concerning.

One other plus on the officials this season is an apparent concerted effort to socialise better post match. We get many of the usual suspects staying behind for a while but at a recent home game, all 3 officials were still at the club nearing 8pm.  :)

While I am here, I should add that most of the clubs/players we have played against, home or away, seem more sociable and approachable as well.  :wub:

 

I tend to agree about the standard of refereeing CC. I have only seen one this season who looked a little out of his depth. A few that maybe not outstanding but certainly always in control. The vast majority have been impressive

Obviously we are not always going to agree with every decision that he makes (doesn't necessarily make him wrong) but as long as he maintains control and gets the vast majority of decisions correct then that is a good starting point. Add to that the ability to man manage and a sense of humour and what more could you ask for. Oh - the confidence to admit that he made a mistake when he knows that he has

 

Assistant referees .... more difficult for me to comment as I am generally 50% of them on most games that I am at. Like referees we make mistakes but again not every one that players/managers/spectators shout at us about.

Are we worse than previous seasons .... not in general but you will get the odd bad one ... or even the odd good one having a bad game

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Im involved in Div one this year.  Lets be honest its entry level senior football, Prem is a just little above, and we are all here for the love of it, and sometimes because this is the highest level we can operate at.  That applies to match officials, players, administrators and the tea lady, or tea bloke.

 

 

To imply or state match officials cheat is insulting to the officials and to all of us involved.

 

I get the job of marking them, and what do I know? OK I've seen football at our level through to international level close up for 40 years. I tried reffing and packed up 10 minutes in to a friendly.  

 

Anyway I do my little club job to the best of my ability and honestly.

If we think the officials aren't doing the same, what should we do?

Sack them and officiate it ourselves?

 

Are their changing rooms always in acceptable condition, do they always get perfect communication from the clubs, a decent welcome and hospitality on the day? Do we all make them feel like they'd want to repeat the experience next week?

 

Aren't they always jacket and tie smart and look the part?

Do we club guys match that standard?

 

I don't mind if we call out match officials on here for a bad performance, we mostly know each other, but if we do, we should call out every person and club involved when they let the standards slip.

 

That would make the forum busy! 

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Never judge a person on how they look.Did the said Officials enter the bar after the game in question? In my experience most do,and are more than willing to explain decisions made during the game.

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Uni, work, down the pub !  They'd reached the upper age limit Chris but unfortunately there was a lack of U17's so we had to go with the U16's from last season.  They'll take some hammerings to start with but the experience will be good to set them up for the next two years.

If the then U18 manager had listened to the idea of integrating some younger players as the season progressed instead of wanting to win every game then this transition might not have been quite so difficult for the current crop of youngsters.

I don't know if other clubs are experiencing the same issues but any decent standard players between 16 & 18 all seem to be signing up for these full time sports academy setups where education is included so they get an NVQ or whatever at the end - there are currently at least 4 of these operating in a fairly local area to us that I know of.

 

From what I've been told Ashford U18 team is mostly last years U 16's. Coming from a league where winning was the way, Ashford have found the new level challenging. Any new ream of young players will find that most games the opposition are at least equal and quite often better.

 

Two wins this week will do much for their confidence.

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Lots of teams seem to be pandering to these youth teams,what has happened to natural selection,if a player is not up to a certain standard then they have to go down the different levels,there are many many leagues below the CCL and if thats the level your at then thats where you have to play,if a player improves then they can move up the leagues if they are asked,youth teams come and youth teams go and most of the lads fall out of senior football for a while until they are ready to compete,a whole youth team squad will have loads of players who are not ready for this level yet and its up to the managers to tell them and not destroy them before they are ready imho.

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