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The vote's over and we as a country have to move on and make the best of it. We are going to struggle to make new, better trade deals as we haven't got the might of the EU to back us anymore. Our civil servants do not know how to do the administrative part of trade negotiations either. It's going to be a mess. Add to that the situation with Scotland and N. Ireland and we've opened up a can of worms. It may work out okay, but I doubt it.

 

One good thing though, congratulations on the birth of your great grand-child Big JR.

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More people voted to leave its simple. Its called democracy just get on with it.

Peace.

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Decision has been made, the people have spoken and we move on and make the most of it, agree.

 

However, I think when it becomes obvious that it's the wrong decision for the country that another referendum will be called - might take a few years.

Let's see what happens.

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It now all depends on who takes over the reins from 'Call-Me-Dave' and then appoints his/her cabinet.  Whatever happens, it's bound to be full of Euro-sceptics who may just get a move on instead of dithering.

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I feel dirty in saying this but I hope Theresa May gets in rather than Boris (like saying I want Flu rather than Cholera).

Now can Labour please sort themselves out, we need an effective opposition to the rabble that's in power.

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I agree with you, Cuppa.

 

Unfortunately, the Labour Party hasn't just shot itself in its foot, it's commited complete Hari Kari.

Edited by Big J R

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I'm not Corbyn's biggest fan (I agree with some things but disagree strongly with others) but he was democratically elected and if there is a leadership contest I think he will be re-elected.

Maybe the Labour MP's need to connect more with the members and find out from them the direction that the party needs to go in. 

 

Also, the bigger issue is whether the electorate would vote for Corbyn in an General Election. All the main political parties seem to be out of touch with the public hence the chaos we seem to be having at the moment.

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I agree with you, Cuppa.

 

Unfortunately, the Labour Party hasn't just shot itself in its foot, it's commited complete Hari Kari.

Well actually BJR it hasn't. The Labour Party is "owned" by its members and its us who own the infrastructure, and not the 172 traitors who voted against our democratically elected leader. When Jeremy gets re-elected with an even bigger majority the rebels will have to form their own party without party headquarters and offices, the finances provided from party membership fees and massive trade union donations. As political strategists and democrats they have shown their true colours, and quite frankly my party is better off without them.

 

BTW, I was at Westminster on Monday evening for the pro Corbyn rally with 10,000 other like minded folk from just about every section of society possible. The reception he got when he came out to give a speech was of rock star proportions. He had just come from a parliamentary LP meeting and he was blamed for inciting a mob and a rabble by the traitors. Some things you really couldn't make up. 

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I'm not Corbyn's biggest fan (I agree with some things but disagree strongly with others) but he was democratically elected and if there is a leadership contest I think he will be re-elected.

Maybe the Labour MP's need to connect more with the members and find out from them the direction that the party needs to go in. 

 

Also, the bigger issue is whether the electorate would vote for Corbyn in an General Election. All the main political parties seem to be out of touch with the public hence the chaos we seem to be having at the moment.

I think if the Tories call a snap general election it will be one no party wants to win as they will be in charge of brexit negotiations. If the negotiation go badly and they still take us out and things go really tits up they will never be forgiven. If they decide to take the sensible option and keep us in they will be seen as undemocratic and face political oblivion.  

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Boris is desperate for power, he won't call an election if he becomes PM.

Whether or not Corbyn is the correct person to lead the country or not, he will never be allowed to become the PM either.

I think the question is do Labour compromise in order to get back into power? I'm guessing that's what the Labour MP's that have resigned from the shadow cabinet are thinking.

 

It's a mess.

 

Saw Farage at the EU the other day, he was acting like a petulant child. Bet the other EU MEP's will be glad to be shot of him.

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Stand corrected on Boris - Smart move from him.

 

I strongly believe that Boris deciding not to stand at the very last moment is another cunning cynical Tory plot to con the electorate.

 

It now has to be between Gove, (Brexit) and Theresa May, (Remain).

 

Watch this space !!

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I strongly believe that Boris deciding not to stand at the very last moment is another cunning cynical Tory plot to con the electorate.

 

It now has to be between Gove, (Brexit) and Theresa May, (Remain).

 

Watch this space !!

Never trust a Tory 

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Boris stabbed Cameron in the back, Gove stabbed Boris in the back and May did a 'Switzerland' on the whole situation - remain neutral, keep out of the limelight and clean up.

These are the people who are running the country!

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...... and Nigel Farage has quit politics, (ALLEGEDLY).

 

YEAH, RIGHT !!  He'l still be pulling the UKIP strings.

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Well Brexit seems a bit up in the air then after the court ruling yesterday and possible blocking tactics from the House of Lords to follow.

The latest polls also suggest that if a referendum was held now that Brexit would lose (because of the so-called "Bregreters")

 

I think we've had the vote and should continue even though I was strongly opposed to leaving the EU. I do feel however that the Tory right shouldn't try and bulldoze a hard Brexit through now, there's surely no mandate for that. Keeping in the single European market is vital to the future of this country in my opinion. 

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52% to 48% to leave ??

 

If there is a 'U' turn now, this country will head for some form of civil 'war' !!

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52% to 48% to leave ??

 

If there is a 'U' turn now, this country will head for some form of civil 'war' !!

After reading some of the comments on social media from brain dead ill-educated brexteers you could well be right BJR.

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We seem to be getting very near to the theory, that..............

 

"Britain is a democracy but if the Government and judiciary don't like what the people democratically vote for, then overide it and turn this country into a dictatorship."

 

Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler are alive and well and living in the Palace of Westminster.

 

:bolt:

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We seem to be getting very near to the theory, that..............

 

"Britain is a democracy but if the Government and judiciary don't like what the people democratically vote for, then overide it and turn this country into a dictatorship."

 

Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler are alive and well and living in the Palace of Westminster.

 

:bolt:

I doubt if UKIP would be happy with Hitler at the helm as he would be too left wing for them. He would probably be OK in the Tory Party though.

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There's a number of issues here, firstly the lies and xenophobia that the likes of Farage (and Boris for that matter) have spread in order to get a small majority in the referendum (a majority that has been wiped out if the latest opinion polls are to be believed). Blame all the countries' woes on a single group of individuals, sounds like someone in Germany in the 1930's???

 

Having said that, we live in a democracy, we voted to leave the EU and I have to go with the majority on that one despite my personal feelings on the matter.

 

There is no mandate to leave the single European market though, there was no referendum on that and it should be debated and voted on in the house of Commons.

 

I think that when it becomes obvious in a few years time that being out of the EU isn't helping the UK financially , we can't get improved trade deals with other counties, investment in the UK isn't the same as it was and with cities like Frankfurt chipping away at London's position as the key financial centre of Europe then I think that we may see another referendum and hopefully with Cameron and Osborne et al. out of the way the rejoin campaign will have a better chance. Think that Germany may need to stop being so intransigent on the issue of free movement of workers though, that's the key factor that got us out of Europe and without that, Farage has very little ammunition.

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I've said it once before, and I'll say it again......

 

DEMOCRATICALLY, 52 - 48 % in the UK voted to leave, and that's it.

 

The next interesting General Election is in France where it is 'rumoured' that Jean-Marie Le Pen could well take power.  She is more right wing than Farage and would certainly get a vote to leave the EU.

 

Italy also faces the same sort of reaction in the very near future

 

That would spell the end of the 'Union' as we know it.

 

Q.E.D.

Edited by Big J R

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