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el.cartero said:

in response to Gravesindian, i guessed that you would miss interpret my points, the first being that a large number of your suppossed country men have by virtue of their birth place become my countrymen that is unless you maintain that being born in the uk from asain or other than british parents does not count.

on the second point you would do well to attend some of the Guru Nanak youth team games, it could prove enlightening.


Two valid points - firstly, although I was born in the UK, I do not consider myself British by the virtue of Britain being my place of birth. However I do consider myself Indian by the virtue of my parents and grand-parents being Indian and many generations beyond that being Indian and am therefore proud of my nationality and culture and as I’m sure you will appreciate, I am not in a hurry to replace either of them and do not take kindly to anyone trying to dictate to me which nationality I am.

Secondly regarding the Guru’s, as I said we welcome players from all nationalities and cultures, however when Guru Nanak Football Club was established it was done so as a means of representing the Sikh community in Gravesham, and however many non-Sikh players represent them, it will culturally at least remain a Sikh football team and not a multi-cultural team despite the number of multi-nationals who represent them.

All this aside I thank you for your support for my idea.

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although I was born in the UK, I do not consider myself British by the virtue of Britain being my place of birth. However I do consider myself Indian by the virtue of my parents and grand-parents being Indian and many generations beyond that being Indian and am therefore proud of my nationality and culture and as I’m sure you will appreciate, I am not in a hurry to replace either of them and do not take kindly to anyone trying to dictate to me which nationality I am.


There lies the problem of Great Britain 2004.
Everybody wants to live here, raise their families here, be part of this so called 'multi-cultural society'.

In reality, none of them want to be British - this is the reason why people object when certain groups get or expect preferential treatment over anything or claim racism when they can't get their own way.

It's about time everybody swore allegiance to The Union Jack when coming to our lands, just like they have to with The Star-Spangled Banner in America.

Sorry if my comments sound over the top but I feel, like a lot of people, the Britain will never be one happy, multi-cultural society all the time the ethnic minorities adopt this attitude.

Keep a link to your roots and cultural but accept that by virtue of moving here, being allowed a BRITISH passport, you become a British citizen.

This is not a pop of Gravesindian specifically - just a general summarisation. No doubt somebody from the politically correct brigade will tell me off for these comments - I'm no racist - but surely the idea of a multi-cultural society is that people are of one nation with different cultures within?

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I can see the merit in giving free tickets to children,after all they are(hopefully) the future fans. Get them through the gate at a young age, and hopefully the seed is sown. I can see no point in giving free tickets to anybody else because of race, colour or creed. The Adults have jobs and can afford the few quid entrance fee.

If there is going to be a policy of free tickets, i have been a Northfleet supporter since 1955. I moved to the States 3 years ago, so can i have free tickets for the ground and flights? Thank you

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But surely to expect an Indian to become British when living in Britain or even being born in Britain, is like expecting the many thousands of Britons who are pouring into Spain and Australia to suddenly become Spaniards or Australians?

 

I am not questioning that when they arrive in these places that the respect the cultures of their new homelands and abide by the laws of the land and even try to speak the language, but they still remain British and that is where their alliances will ultimately remain. I will be the first to admit that when England play India in cricket I cheer on the Indian team because I see myself as an Indian and not an Englishman. The same could be said of the British ex-pats who were seen on television cheering on the England rugby team against Australia in the recent World Cup Final.

 

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Just a minor point but Gravesindian raised the issue of ex pats to spain, becoming Spainards.

you are expected to register as a Spanish citizen (if you intend to live in the country full time after six months) , to enable assess to medical cover ( a doctor is picked for you) and other benefits. so in short the answer is yes.

 

that aside what's any of this got to do with the original topic which is that of complimenatry tickets, if we are going to give them lets get on with it. lets get the punters in and work towards the club going full time

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Apologies, I was unaware that you needed to take citizenship of another EC country if you settled there, and was wrongly under the impression that if a Frenchman or German wished to live and work the the UK, he would be allowed because he already carries a passport from another country which is a member of the EC.

 

So on the stregnth of what you have said surely it is somewhat absurd if someone were proud of being British, especially as the only qualification you need to become one is the ability to complete a few forms? You wouldn't even need to have a grasp of the language. If that's the case I'll stick to being Indian!!

 

All that said and done, we are drifiting from the topic in question.

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I couldn't care if you stay Indian, become British or even become a transexual Romney Gypsy.

 

Just keep coming to the Fleet , spread the word , encourage others to attend, and continue to come up with ideas on improving attendances.

 

Dishing out free tickets is not about bowing to particular groups, its about generating publicity and getting people to talk about and get interested in the Fleet, in the hope that they will eventually part with their hard earned cash on a regular basis.

 

 

Onwards and Upwards with the Fleet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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How about offering some sort of incentive to the hundreds (or thousands?) that live within a 10-15 minute walk from the ground but can't be bothered to come to a match? We did the 'kids for free' thing but has it really increased our attendances? Freebies may work on the day but will they work in the long run? I have my doubts. Realistically, the only way we'll get the support the club deserves is if we win the league, beat Man. Utd. in the FA Cup final and an anti-apathy drug is introduced to the domestic drinking-water system.

 

Incidentally, just for the record, I'm not British; I'm English. In fact, I'm a Kentishman, actually..... <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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This is a good post!

 

I'm with Wobbly Wayne on this as I couldn't care less on who supports us. As long as they love the beautiful game, played by a team wearing red and living at Stonebridge Rd, they are alright by me! (And hating Canvey would be a bonus!)

 

Still reckon we should be targeting the schools more. I seem to remember that we used to give out complimentaries to them a few years back. I wonder if we still are?

 

The idea of targeting Sunday league teams in the area is also worth considering. If we give out, say 30 complimentary tickets and half are taken up. If they bring a Mum and/or a Dad thats £150 which would more than pay for the printing of the tickets! It must be worth a go surely!

 

Thanks for starting this discussion off Gravesednian, its made a nice change from the normal crap!

 

Out of interest, if we started to get more Asian supporters, would that encourage the Refreshment kiosk to start serving halfway edible food? Burton do Mushy peas and faggots, (yum!) What about Gravesend having a van selling samosas etc? Now that WOULD be worth coming to the game for! (Double yum!) A great way to get rid of the Friday night hangover as well!

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Apologies, I was unaware that you needed to take citizenship of another EC country if you settled there, and was wrongly under the impression that if a Frenchman or German wished to live and work the the UK, he would be allowed because he already carries a passport from another country which is a member of the EC.


Gravesindian - I think that you are correct. Indeed, later this year we'll be further invaded by the people of Poland as they will become eligible for this scheme.

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This is a good post!

I'm with Wobbly Wayne on this as I couldn't care less on who supports us. As long as they love the beautiful game, played by a team wearing red and living at Stonebridge Rd, they are alright by me! (And hating Canvey would be a bonus!)

Still reckon we should be targeting the schools more. I seem to remember that we used to give out complimentaries to them a few years back. I wonder if we still are?

The idea of targeting Sunday league teams in the area is also worth considering. If we give out, say 30 complimentary tickets and half are taken up. If they bring a Mum and/or a Dad thats £150 which would more than pay for the printing of the tickets! It must be worth a go surely!

Thanks for starting this discussion off Gravesednian, its made a nice change from the normal crap!

Out of interest, if we started to get more Asian supporters, would that encourage the Refreshment kiosk to start serving halfway edible food? Burton do Mushy peas and faggots, (yum!) What about Gravesend having a van selling samosas etc? Now that WOULD be worth coming to the game for! (Double yum!) A great way to get rid of the Friday night hangover as well!


I agree - except if it's free, is it supporting the club?

Great idea about the food - and yes we should target ALL the schools a lot more.

Previous posts suggest the attendances overall haven't been boosted by 'kids go free' etc - perhaps it should have been 'kids go free if you bring a grown-up'!

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How about offering some sort of incentive to the hundreds (or thousands?) that live within a 10-15 minute walk from the ground but can't be bothered to come to a match? We did the 'kids for free' thing but has it really increased our attendances?


Surely there's more to boosting attendances then merely offering complimentary tickets.

In this day and age, "Joe Public" expects a certain standard in terms of facilities. Stonebridge Road oozes character but in its current form does little to inspire potential new supporters when you consider they can visit the luxurious surroundings of The Valley each week.

To move the Club to the next level, all 3 must be done in relatively close timescales:

a) Ground improvements i.e. 1000 Seater Brick Based Main Stand/Wallace
Park Stand repaired. Financed by Trusts available (£400,000).
B) Schools/Clubs etc receive complimentary tickets.
c) Team goes full-time.

Relying solely on FA Cup runs/Sponsors (Gladwish etc) to finance a full-time team would be crazy. The support base must be there before any attempt is made to go full time.

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GravesIndian I only thought your idea was good because it would hopefully appeal to all layers of Gravesends Cultures, and build bridges between all races. Making GNFC an attractive place to go.

 

If you have no interest in embracing Great Britan or England, then as far as I'm concerned I would not welcome you to Stonebridge Road.

If GNFC's priority is to appeal to other cultures which remain hostile/indifferent to embracing Britain, then I would rather stay at home then follow the Fleet.

 

On a brighter note, looking forward to CFC at the Seaside. As long as we see off Watford of course, subject to Linesman and Referees...

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..... subject to Linesman and Referees...


you almost sound like a Margate / Chester fan! <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

This is the same ref / lino combo that also denied Watford a definate penalty????? <img src="/images/graemlins/alk.gif" alt="" />

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The very same.

 

The game was settled by two awful decisions which were wrong, Watford were gifted a goal (clearly not over the Line) and then denied a clear penalty.

 

Anyway I hope we make a better job of it at Home at the Bridge! Otherwise Fleet Fanatic, I'll be eating Humble Pie.

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GravesIndian I only thought your idea was good because it would hopefully appeal to all layers of Gravesends Cultures, and build bridges between all races. Making GNFC an attractive place to go.

If you have no interest in embracing Great Britan or England, then as far as I'm concerned I would not welcome you to Stonebridge Road.
If GNFC's priority is to appeal to other cultures which remain hostile/indifferent to embracing Britain, then I would rather stay at home then follow the Fleet.


I could not agree with this more.Gravesend and Northfleet is a british club supported by british people.If you cannot think of yourself being british you could never think of yourself as a TRUE fleet fan.

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GNFC should not be thought of as a British or English club, but as a multi-cultural, multi-national club who just happen to be based in Gravesham but represent all aspects and nationality’s of the local community.


I refer you to my original quote which I stand by. Although Gravesend is obviously located in Britain, the many cultures that are evident in the town, together with a multitude of nationalities suggest to me that that is where the ties end. If GNFC represent the people and culture of the borough of Gravesham’s then it represents Asian, Afro-Caribbean, Eastern European and Chinese cultures as well as a bit of British ness so to state GNFC is a British club is clearly wrong – it is a multi-cultural club which in merely located in Britain.

Besides this, what does it really mater if some of the supporters of the club are not British?

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I think we're moving somewhat off topic, and while I disagree with most of what Gravesendian has said, I don't think you can say that somebody is not a true Fleet fan because they either aren't British or don't consider themselves so.

I could say the same of people who haven't joined the Trust, but I know it's not true, as I know several people who are Fleet through and through but for various reasons, have yet to join (don't worry, they will in the end).

The TRUE fleet supporters are the guys and gals who see the team play week after week, through thick and thin, good or bad, rain or shine. That's the prerequisite to be a true fan in my book.

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I could not agree with this more.Gravesend and Northfleet is a british club supported by british people.If you cannot think of yourself being british you could never think of yourself as a TRUE fleet fan.


this came out a bit wrong. Imagine you lived in say...france, and went to a calais game( for example,i know it is a rubbish one). You could enjoy yourself and look out for news on the team,even buy a shirt, but you could never feel as associated with that club as a frenchman.
Gravesend and northfleet is not just a club for gravesend folk. It is the only real alternative to going to gills for people in kent who like to watch good football.So we may be associated with the cultural diversity of gravesend as a town, but the fan base,( if they all turned up) is spread over a much wider area than just gravesend.
Anyway,I digress,
As previously mentioned in this forum, Kids should be able to have access to the fleet at times for free, as they are the future of this club.As for adults, pay your own way.Nobody begrudges a child getting a freebie but as this forum has shown,people being people, have a problem with their equals getting something for free, that they themselves have had to pay for.

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But surely this cannot be true. Just look at Manchester United, they are the worlds best supported club and the vast majority of their fans both in the UK and abroad are not British. Try telling Man United's Irish, Norweigan or Singaporean supporters clubs that they are not real supporters.

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Gravesindians interpretation of a fan is different from most other posters on this thread .99% of Man U fans do not watch their team and therefore have nothing to do with the club .

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