Jump to content
Welcome to the new software - Please read! Read more... ×
Fans Focus - Non League football clubs
Sign in to follow this  
Gravesindian

Complimentary tickets?

Recommended Posts

There is no difference - you are both English.

 

One of you has made a tongue in cheek comment about abandoning their English background, the other refuses to accept that they are English.

 

I'll leave you to make the difficult decision of which statement matches yourself.....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote:
Gravesindian said:
This dosen't make sense. Surely if your proud of your English hertitage how can you be so quick to desert it on the stregnth of a few documents. And if you are a true England supporter how can you even consider changind alligances. Like I said I am Indian, and will always be Indian and a few bits of paper will never chance hundreds of years of history and culture and neither do I want to.


Do me a favour.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm English? If both my parents are Indian then how can I be English at all?

 

Thsi is not a slur on English, as lets face it I wouldn't be living here if it wasn't a great nation with great traditions and so on. Fact is though I'm not one.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote:
FLEETFANNo1USA said:
You miss the point fanatic, when my citizenship is accepted my heritage will be English, my nationality will be American.
Gravesindians heritage is Indian, HIS nationality English.


Sorry but I beg to differ.....merely as Gravesindian disagrees with your statement:

Quote:
Gravesindian said:
Two valid points - firstly, although I was born in the UK, I do not consider myself British by the virtue of Britain being my place of birth.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Could someone please at least explain how exactly I am English if there are no English people in my family, my parents and their parents and so on are all Indian, I speak fluent Punjabi, practice sikhism which is an Indian religion and have an Indian name.

 

Awaiting a sensible answer...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I speak fluent French but it doesn't make me French!

 

I also speak German.

 

There are many people through-out the world who practise 'other' religions but they are still classed as a national of the country that they were born in?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hmmmm FLEETFANNo1USA becomes American,

Gravesindian - info well documented.

 

Put it together - does this give us our very own set of cowboys & indians?

 

***waits for the groans****

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Firstly FF, you may speak fluent French but do you speak it as a first language in your home instead of English?

 

As for me being born in England therfore I must be English, then are you saying that if I was born abrord but wanted to be British that I could not be as I was not born here? If that is the case then surely there are no true nationalities only places of birth or places of residence?

 

also are you implying that your nation would rather accept people as British even if the person in question does not want to be British at all, rather that someone born abroard who wants to be British and has English or British cultural links? Comical.

 

Where in British law does it say that people who wish to be Indian should return to India if they want ot be considered Indian?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote:
Gravesindian said:
Firstly FF, you may speak fluent French but do you speak it as a first language in your home instead of English?


No - ooooo you got me for once.

Quote:
Gravesindian said:
As for me being born in England therfore I must be English, then are you saying that if I was born abrord but wanted to be British that I could not be as I was not born here? If that is the case then surely there are no true nationalities only places of birth or places of residence?


No, you would apply for British Citizenship which is different.

Quote:
Gravesindian said:
also are you implying that your nation would rather accept people as British even if the person in question does not want to be British at all, rather that someone born abroard who wants to be British and has English or British cultural links? Comical.


Again somebody abroad would have to apply for citizenship, as previously said to you, which would also declare a desire to be British. Those born here are already classed as British and should be proud to be part of a so-called 'great nation'.

Quote:
Gravesindian said:
Where in British law does it say that people who wish to be Indian should return to India if they want ot be considered Indian?


Did I say that? No - thought not!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Firstly I am being told I am English because that is where I was born, then I am being asked which passport I hold. I hold a British passport - an EC member country. So in that case I am not English, and neither are any of you as official England is not recognised as a country and nobody holds an English passport.

 

Seven years ago our family bet alsation gave birth to pups, I decided to keep one of these pups. The pup was born in my house, has lived in it all it's life, it has abided by my rules and has acted as I have asked it. It has been a loyal dog, but that it what it remains - a dog and however hard I try or the dog tries it will never be become a human.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well if you want to be pedantic........i concede you are British.........look in your passport it says you are a British subject..........not an Indian!

As for the dog.......sell it to a Chinamen.........it will become a meal..........KIDDING <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We are talking nationalities not species!

 

Slight technical different there.....

 

.....and I never said that the passport decides whether you are English - I said where you were born does.

 

Anyway - please convince a few or thousand of your chums to come down to Stonebridge Road - we can all have a LOCAL team to be proud of!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But get them to pay like any other person whether they Profess to be British, Indian, Pakistani, or any other nationality. To be quite honest......i don't give a monkies what nationality you are........the Fleet need paying customers so pay your way.

I WONDER IF I CAN GET COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS TO aA YANKEE - METS GAME BECAUSE I AM ENG........OOOOOPPPS SORRY BRITISH!

END OF SUBJECT FROM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The fact that this thread has almost gone on for 120 posts is hilarious.

 

If you were born in England, you're English, that's how it works, get over it. It doesn't mean you're not an Indian, or that your heretige means nothing, but come on now, talk sense.

 

As for the whole passport thing, I have mine here in front of me as I type this. Yes it may say European Union on it, but it is a passport from the United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland, issued by the Queen's government, and still the property Her Majesty's government (paragraph 7 of the notes), so I think we can safely say it's a British passsport and those who carry it are British.

 

You still can't have any free tickets lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So you are saying that I am English because I was born in England but also British because I have a British passport.

 

So in that case if I was born in Russia too Mexican parents but I came to England and held a passport for Britian I would be? Russian or British? And the nationality of my parents would have no bearing whatsoever to my nationality?

 

On one hand your country claims to be the champion of diversity and multi-culturalism whilst on the other it is trying to dictate peoples nationalities to them, whilst ignoring their histories, cultures and race.

 

Despite NOT being British, I still have respect for your laws, pay taxes and so on, however it is your nations over excitment in trying to class everyone on these island's as ONE nationality despite it's many obvious diversities.

 

In my view your family, culture, religion, history are the most important bearings on your nationality and not forms that can be claimed in five minutes by in some cases an interpreteur. I think this just maybe the reason why, as Fleet Fanatic said, Great Britain is in the state it is in 2004 and not my reservations about becoming British. The governments drive to be seen as politically correct is working against everyone without them even knowing it!

 

And okay I'll forget the free tickets! Have to pay like everyone else.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

England is part of Great Britain, so by being born in England yes, you are both English and British, the same as if you were born in Scotland you would be both Scottish and British.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote:
Alan ( GNFC ) said:
Big JR , I thought cuckoo clocks are made by the Swiss who also do their own thing outside the EU .


[color:"blue"]

Absolutely correct Alan, and I apologise.

I realised this as soon as I posted, but my pram was shaking so much with anger, I couldn't edit !

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gravesindian ,maybe it is that we expect so little of our island's residents . We are all subjects of the queen , and not citizens of the state like the US where you have to swear allegiance to the flag .

We dug our regal hole and until the revolution we lie in it .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote:
Gravesindian said:
Yeah, I only watch it since the Asians family were cast in it though.


[color:"blue"] Very good, Gravesindian. Must be something to do with the Asian [color:"red"] Caste [color:"blue"] System.

(Better get some more pills, Nurse !!)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote:
FleetFanatic said:
I speak fluent French but it doesn't make me French!

I also speak German.

There are many people through-out the world who practise 'other' religions but they are still classed as a national of the country that they were born in?


[color:"red"] I speak perfect Rubbish, but that doesn't make me affluent ! (Or is it effluent ??) Answers on a .................

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote:
Gravesindian said:
So you are saying that I am English because I was born in England but also British because I have a British passport.

So in that case if I was born in Russia too Mexican parents but I came to England and held a passport for Britian I would be? Russian or British? And the nationality of my parents would have no bearing whatsoever to my nationality?

On one hand your country claims to be the champion of diversity and multi-culturalism whilst on the other it is trying to dictate peoples nationalities to them, whilst ignoring their histories, cultures and race.

Despite NOT being British, I still have respect for your laws, pay taxes and so on, however it is your nations over excitment in trying to class everyone on these island's as ONE nationality despite it's many obvious diversities.

In my view your family, culture, religion, history are the most important bearings on your nationality and not forms that can be claimed in five minutes by in some cases an interpreteur. I think this just maybe the reason why, as Fleet Fanatic said, Great Britain is in the state it is in 2004 and not my reservations about becoming British. The governments drive to be seen as politically correct is working against everyone without them even knowing it!

And okay I'll forget the free tickets! Have to pay like everyone else.


[color:"blue"] [/color] I'm sorry Gravesindian, but you are starting to shoot yourself in the foot/feet !



QUOTE: [color:"red"] Despite NOT being British, I still have respect for your laws, pay taxes and so on, however it is your nations over excitment in trying to class everyone on these island's as ONE nationality despite it's many obvious diversities. [color:"black"] UNQUOTE


[color:"blue"] You state you are NOT british yet you have to respect laws etc. Where does the 'have to' come into it ??? You could always disobey them and have a free holiday at the expense of Her Majesty's Pleasure !

Don't get me wrong !! By no stretch of the imagination am I racist. I just believe that when in Rome etc. etc.

Just as a point of interest, Hari, the owner of our corner shop, (Yes - he IS Asian, born and bred here), reckons he is MORE British than me, because he has radical views on law and order etc. And incidently, he is a pretty mean spin bowler as well !!

[color:"black"] I really must check the M.O.T. Certificate on this Pram !!)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

GravesIndian it sounds like your feelings are that we are different and should remain so.

 

I am more then happy to keep my English/British Heritage rather then let it be mocked at and weakened by being forced to accept Labour dictating to me what I can and can't do.

 

I trust Gravesends Mayor (a Sikh) is happy to accept Britain and counts himself as British.

 

I trust Gravesend Cinema (Asian Ownership) is permitted for all races?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  

×