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Enfield Town v Tooting & Mitcham

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Just to point out that the mood behind the goal is gradually changing. Against Tooting I heard the type of comments and songs I hadn't heard since towards the end of Steve Newing's time. I have to admit I haven't enjoyed watching either of the last two home games, and can't understand what less Simon has to do to get dropped or what more Liam has to do to get in the starting 11 for a league game.

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I can't add anything to the last few comments.  My views on the first half of the season should  be well known by now. As I have said before I have been heavily criticised for expressing my thoughts but in some ways I wish I had been proved wrong. I don't like to see all that the club has achieved in the past few years wasted. I accepted others arguments that AL had to put together a new team from day one but by now he has shown very little inclination to attempt  to make improvements in the positions which are so obvious  I cannot deny that it is encouraging to read that I am now no longer alone in thinking this.

 

Having said that, we may have to endure the current regime for a while longer in order to avoid another walk out, but someone has to get us back on track so that we once again can enjoy the football being put before us. To this end some forward thinking by the board is required before the end of season, if not sooner. It is fortunate that for many teams, with the exception of a few, the standard of football in this league has started to go down. With the proposed reallocation of teams for next year life may become tougher and we will need to be ready for this challenge.

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I haven't seen as many games as most of the contributors on this forum but what frustrates me is I think we have the makings of a decent footballing team. My definition of footballing is simple - a team that keeps the ball on the deck, passes to each other and keeps possession.

 

The midfield may lack a spark of creativity but Noto, Blackman, Greene and Youngs are good footballers and can pick a pass. We need the forwards to make the runs to create space, so that the midfielders can pick the pass.

 

I still think Ryan Blake has plenty of goals in him; if only he were more clinical in front of goal. Simon Thomas has plenty of critics but he has been scoring. He will often be compared to Ottaway, who was an excellent link man, but Thomas has the knack of being in the right place at the right time (unlike Ottaway) and scores more goals (even if the link-up play is lacking). Parcell always works his socks off and should start at wing back regularly.

 

The back 4 often seem to be under pressure but that's because we keep giving the ball away. For me, that has been the biggest disappointment in the performances I've seen to date. We give the ball away much to cheaply and invite pressure as a result.

 

Back to basics please - keep hold of the ball, get some width across the park, make space for each other off the ball and pass it on the deck. Then the chances will come.

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I haven't been to the last couple of games as I've been otherwise engaged but to be honest, I 'm not sure that I would have gone anyway. The crowd is diminishing week on week because people are bored of the abject football on offer. For many of our support, Town are their 'second ' club and if the football is rubbish, then they'll find something else to do on matchday. The manager has run out of ideas and isn't up to the job in my opinion and it's now just a matter of time before the rather large lady begins to clear her throat !

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>>Benj

 

A very good post with which I largely agree. I do not think that Simon is the answer as far as goal scoring is concerned as he often seems flat footed and does not seem to look for space or the pass. (I do think that Simon does add something to the defending at corners which Liam cannot but then he is picked as a forward). I think Liam is better as a forward as demonstrated on Saturday. With regard to the others the midfield gives the ball away too much and if pinned back will just hoof the ball forward, hardly creative. That may be the fault that Simon does not give them an out ball but then I am not a coach.

 

I was at Folkestone and the manager retained his job after that performance so it is clear that the board still have confidence in him!

 

I also remember a game at Potters Bar when we were down to 9 men and Andy was their manager. I believe we came away with a win (or draw I am sure that FJ will know the game that I am talking about). I recall the game at Chesham which we lost and Chesham, Potters Bar and now Enfield play the Andy Leese way reminiscent of Charlie Hughes (Ex England Non League manager). It is rubbish to watch, I am sure it is rubbish to play in and will loose us support. It comes to something when I would rather have Margolis back than this tosh dished up week after week. At least Margolis gave the youngsters a chance.

 

What is Dave Howell doing nowadays?

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Father Jack, we were getting 500 + at the start of the season. Also, including season ticket holders whether they attend or not, is somewhat misleading is it not ? Stand behind the goal on a matchday, there is a lot more room than there was at the start of the season. Our attendances have been on the increase for the last couple of seasons, it would be a shame to reverse that trend because we appointed a man who insists on playing a boring, negative style of football.

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Good morning all, hope you enjoyed Christmas Day and are looking forward to a win (fingers crossed) at Harlow this afternoon.

 

Some very interested comments posted in the past 24hrs, many critical of our present style of play and below-par performances. Living distance away, and not getting to as many games as I would like, it is difficult to make constructive comments on individual players, overall team performance, or our recent run of results. But I can fully understand that it must be pretty galling, and very frustrating, for all Town supporters that results have been inconsistent, and the close season change of Manager, has so far done little to return us to the attacking and inventive style of play, long associated with past Enfield sides.

 

Football is a results business, and a game of opinions. In difficult times, when results are not going as well as we hoped, the Manager comes in for a tirade of flak, criticism, and sometimes personal abuse. That goes with the job, and sometimes it is justified, other times it certainly is not. On the few occasions I have met and chatted to Andy Leese, I have found him to be pleasant, open, honest, and very knowledgeable about the game. He communicates through the programme at every home game, and is more than willing to chat to supporters before and after matches.

 

We are having a difficult season, won't win the league, and realistically may not make the play-offs. The AGM next month provides a great opportunity to discuss progress, on and off the pitch, and question AL about our concerns. A chance not to be missed!

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It's not rocket science. AL knows the supporters are concerned because he is as well. The players are not performing as well as we would like and attendances will be affected at the end of the day. It happens at our level and every other level of football. This club is no different to any other in that respect.

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Just a couple of question to previous comments:-

 

1  LH, I am sure you are quite sincere about your conversations with AL. Your written manner suggests that you are a person with an affable temperament and get along with most people, as most people are when chatting. A true judgement is if you ask questions which may be seen by the others as critical of their approach, to what ever. then you may see the other side to that person.

Consequently do you feel that you ask AL any such questions or was it just a mere chat? 

 

2 AndyE,  may I ask if you ask AL a direct question for his opinion on the subject or are you making an assumption on his behalf.  Don't forget he chose the players so perhaps he judged them suitable for the job. You also say that players are not performing as we like, and is that not the nub of our concerns. But whose fault is that, the players or he who signed them. After all I was answerable for the staff I employed, tell me where's the difference?

 

I still believe that we will possibly win/draw more than we lose and stay in the league. But do you feel that the current situation is sustainable for the future????

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4wembleyfinals thanks for your comments. I am sure everyone will give due credit to Andy Leese and our team for an excellent result at Harlow this afternoon, which moves us up to eleventh in the table. Definitely a step in the right direction, but still plenty of work to do if we are going to close the gap on the teams at the top. There is still time, and plenty of games to play, but it certainly won't be easy.

With regard to AL, he is an intelligent, no-nonsense style Manager, who will do everything possible to bring us success. He has taken on a very difficult task, and he deserves our full backing and support. 


 

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A win will be well received. However, it should have been expected against a team in 21st position in the league. As I said yesterday, a win won't paper over the cracks and a lot needs to be done to improve the quality of play on a regular basis.

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I have to agree yet again with you Andy. However, I welcome the news that some feel that the disquiet of the supporters appears to be getting through to the manager. We have yet to see if this continues and the team adopts a more positive approach to their game. He may have some big decision to make in the next week or so regarding playing personal. Subject to injuries, how he selects his teams during that period 

will throw a light on his intentions.   

 

Lets hope to day was not just a flash in the pan. It will soon show when we face stiffer opposition.

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Benjrider10: "Simon Thomas has plenty of critics but he has been scoring. He will often be compared to Ottaway, who was an excellent link man, but Thomas has the knack of being in the right place at the right time (unlike Ottaway) and scores more goals (even if the link-up play is lacking)."

 

Couldn't resist checking the stats regarding this  :rolleyes: Simon has started 15 league games this season and come on as sub 4 times. He's scored 7 goals. Harry, in his first 15 starts last season, scored 5 goals. During that period he also came on as sub twice. Neither of them scored coming off the bench.

 

So Simon does indeed have a better record than Harry (7 in 15 is a goal every 2.1 games, as opposed to 5 in 15, which was a goal every 3 games). However, if you include the substitute appearances the difference between the two players decreases slightly: Simon 7 in 19 equals a goal every 2.7 games. Harry 5 in 17 equaled a goal every 3.4 games). However, then it's possible to start analysing the 'worth' of each goal. For example, Simon has scored in six separate games but two of those were defeats: a 5-1 defeat and a 2-1 defeat. Harry, however, scored in only five games but none of them were defeats. So I suppose it could be argued that Harry's goals were a little more important. Anyway, if you add in Harry's overall play compared to Simon's I think I know who I'd prefer. Beyond that I'm not willing to go because, well, I'm tired apart from anything else!!!

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A bit distortion in your facts BTG.

 

Thomas scored in a 5-1 defeat but put us 1-0 up and had a earlier goal very harshly ruled out for offside

 

The 2-1 defeat, he equalised to make it 1-1.

 

I think both CF are good, I prefer Simon though due to the fact he doesn’t walk away from ‘adoring’ support and appears more professional that Ottaway, as well as doing the more important thing regularly and that’s scoring goals.

 

We’ve got to stop looking at the past, last years Team is gone-goodbye- this year’s team is I believe two/three players from a playoff winning side.

 

A starting team of Wright, Parcell, Purse, Kirby, (new left back), Green, Noto, Blackman, Young’s , (a new winger) Thomas/Hope

 

Martin +Blake can be good impact subs.

 

The seasons been blighted with defensive mistakes, firstly Blackman earlier in the season couldn’t help but give penalties away, which cost us points and Rumens has about 4 assists to his name, but for the opposing side, as Andy has stated, that stuff is uncoachable and just poor decision making.

 

Green staying fit and returning to better form will help bundles, Kirby is better than McKenzie and Rumens rolled into one, even in his current athletic condition, plus create havoc in the penalty box and Liam will get his share of goals, his outside the box Play is limited but that’s what we’ve got. One thing Liam has got is a big heart, plus he knows what the alternative is having spent time at Cheshunt , their can’t be s bigger motivation factor for him than that

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Simon's record of 12 goals in 30 games is fairly respectable on paper,but i feel his overall play and commitment has been disappointing.As were his leadership qualities when he had the armband.

Unlike some others i don't feel Liam is the answer long term either.He is a good squad addition and a natural goalscorer against lesser teams,but feel he struggles to create enough space -or have the pace- to trouble teams in the top half of our league. 

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Ah the enigma that is Simon Thomas ! If that guy could approach every game with the mindset, application and gusto that he showed in the Thurrock game, then we'd have a 20 / 25 goal a season striker on our hands ! I don't know if he is lazy, scared or has a terrible sense of timing, it's so frustrating, as he proved in that Thurrock game that there is a decent player in there somewhere !

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