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Because they have no interest in or benefit from pushing any decent players our way plus have you actually seen them?

I've seem them play. They have some very good players. They have some young, quick, skillful & creative players. If you look at Andy's recruitment of players. It's more likely Andy was not interested in signing those types of players rather than them not wanting to push them through. He has opted for more experience and players that have played at Step 3 and above. The same thing has been say on this forum time and time again about Andy's reluctance to play young players regardless.

 

Our young player of the season this year was Junior. He didn't start a game and I'm not sure he played 90 minutes total. Whereas last season Percy Kiangebeni was young player of the season and he started a number of games and even started in the playoffs. Oh yeah, guess what team he signed from ?

 

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I've seem them play. They have some very good players. They have some young, quick, skillful & creative players. If you look at Andy's recruitment of players. It's more likely Andy was not interested in signing those types of players rather than them not wanting to push them through. He has opted for more experience and players that have played at Step 3 and above. The same thing has been say on this forum time and time again about Andy's reluctance to play young players regardless.

 

Our young player of the season this year was Junior. He didn't start a game and I'm not sure he played 90 minutes total. Whereas last season Percy Kiangebeni was young player of the season and he started a number of games and even started in the playoffs. Oh yeah, guess what team he signed from ?

 

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Percy played for us and went off to another club before returning to sign for us and then playing a few Borough games and Junior has come through our youth section.

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Percy played for us and went off to another club before returning to sign for us and then playing a few Borough games and Junior has come through our youth section.

My main point is about Andy's willingness to give young players a chance. Congratulations to Junior for coming through the ranks and picking up the award. But their was little competition for young player of the year because Andy doesn't generally like young players. All the young players were either shipped out or on the bench, while older more 'experienced' players were struggled all season. Thats the facts

 

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My main point is about Andy's willingness to give young players a chance. Congratulations to Junior for coming through the ranks and picking up the award. But their was little competition for young player of the year because Andy doesn't generally like young players. All the young players were either shipped out or on the bench, while older more 'experienced' players have struggled all season. Thats the facts

 

 

 

 

 

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Gosh, when I tried to forewarn supporters what to expect last year, when AL was appointed, I was subjected to a lot of abuse. However, it seems that much of what I said then is now  being observed by others. Strangely, I don't feel good about this as I am now more concerned about the current welfare of the club than my predictions.

 

I now recognise we are caught in a cleft stick in that, we have to go with what we have got, rather than suffer the ordeal of the fiasco of last year. My only proviso is that the Board should ensure that planning for next year starts now.One thing they could consider is to co-opt to the Board someone with current knowledge of the non league game, especially coaching, to over see the football side of the club. 

 

From what I learnt last summer I know that AL will not entertain this for one minute but he does have an alternative. That is come out of the past and prove he can build a team, on a fairly fixed budget, like BQ did, which is capable of at least trying for the play-offs.

 

Before the sycophants take me to task again, I am only asking for what I believe he implied he was capable of doing when appointed.

 

I feel that to do nothing and go with the same old way next year, may alienate many supporters.

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Because they have no interest in or benefit from pushing any decent players our way plus have you actually seen them?

no I haven't seen them  but I bet they would not look out of place in our squad , if professional clubs are looking at them they cant be that bad !!!!

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Watch Borough and the way they operate before recommending any of them are the answer to all our problems.

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Sitting on the side lines I have been watching the back and forth with PP and MB I am fascinated by MB brevity. Basically MB puts forward is points in short cryptic comments with very little substance. It would be nice if he could expound a little more on what he really thinks on the subject for us lesser mortals. 

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I don't think AL has a particular disliking for young players - just that those that we've had have been judged to be not ready for the men's game, there's a big step up. My understanding is that AL was the U18 coach at Broxbourne Boro last year and most of those we have tried out had joined us from that set up. Our captain, Ryan Blackman, is only 22/23, I believe and Montell Moore was used to good effect before his troubles surfaced.

 

With regard to Enfield Borough we had a good experience with Percy and I think they have some good coaches encouraging individuals from more troubled backgrounds but I think its a fallacy to suggest they have a stash of players ready to step up to our level. Yes, Charlton have taken on one of their youngsters but will he make the first team? Clubs like that have a good youth set up. We also have the difficulty of not fielding a reserve side where some of those youngsters can be looked at - hence the choice made to send them out on loan. The trouble with that is they rarely come back as they enjoy the regular first team football that we can't promise.

 

I see that Enfield Borough have announced that they'll be playing their football at Wingate & Finchley next year - so another Enfield team moving out of the borough!

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This is my first posting on this forum, and I'm afraid that what I'm about to say I wish I didn't have to. Having read so much garbage on this topic I feel I have to respond.I find it fascinating that people have so much to say about Andy Leese and the team when they clearly don't attend regularly at games. Andyetfc, you say you threw your season ticket away in disgust last Saturday, that's pretty radical bearing in mind that was our last home game of the season. 4Wembleyfinals, you have a lot to say for yourself bearing in mind it was your first appearance of the  season, most of it uninformed tosh. Oh and Lovely Stuff, how many games do you go to to spout so much equally uninformed tosh ? As for this tedious theme concerning AL only playing ageing players, well let me see,Rumens,Parcell,McKenzie,Blackman and Wynter are all in their early Twenties. Wright,Johnson,Youngs,Greene,Wadkins and Blake are in their mid twenties, and Hockney is still a teenager. Doesn't exactly qualify them for a pension does it now? I've no problem with people criticising when they go to games home and away regularly, but really, the opinions of those I've mentioned here are quite frankly worthless.

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This is my first posting on this forum, and I'm afraid that what I'm about to say I wish I didn't have to. Having read so much garbage on this topic I feel I have to respond.I find it fascinating that people have so much to say about Andy Leese and the team when they clearly don't attend regularly at games. Andyetfc, you say you threw your season ticket away in disgust last Saturday, that's pretty radical bearing in mind that was our last home game of the season. 4Wembleyfinals, you have a lot to say for yourself bearing in mind it was your first appearance of the season, most of it uninformed tosh. Oh and Lovely Stuff, how many games do you go to to spout so much equally uninformed tosh ? As for this tedious theme concerning AL only playing ageing players, well let me see,Rumens,Parcell,McKenzie,Blackman and Wynter are all in their early Twenties. Wright,Johnson,Youngs,Greene,Wadkins and Blake are in their mid twenties, and Hockney is still a teenager. Doesn't exactly qualify them for a pension does it now? I've no problem with people criticising when they go to games home and away regularly, but really, the opinions of those I've mentioned here are quite frankly worthless.

Most of the players you named already had experience at the level, So it's easy to put them in a team. Brad is the man that gave both Mickey and Darnell the games they needed to get the experience. So I feel Andy is still reluctant to play young players (that need experience). We all know Jack should of played more games this season.

 

We could all play a 23/24 year old who has a number of step 3 appearances in a team.

 

Is Andy brave enough to give the likes of Jack, Junior and others an extended run in the team ?

Thats the question, I guess we will see next season

 

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Just for the record, I actually thought Andy was going to be a good Manager for the club. I chose not to make any comments during the season. As i thought it was best he be judged at the end of the season. It's the end of the season and he has failed in many areas. Thats the facts

 

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I might well be wrong (I often am), but I thought Hockney got injured when he was starting to cement his place in the team. Out of all the youngsters he's definitely looked like the one with the most potential / ability, and definitely has an eye for a pass. I'd like to think that AL has seen enough in him for him to be in and around the team next season.

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I think Andy will be the first to admit that this season has been disappointing. I'm very much of the opinion that he should be judged on how he does next season with a proper pre-season, a more settled side and maybe one or two additions in key areas.

 

Barring a couple of bad results, I'm of the opinion that things are moving in the right direction as we approach end of this season... maybe not as quickly as some would like, but for me, this is a long-term project.

 

Here's hoping we're challenging in the top half next season!

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Thanks Green Grass. I have been a associated with EFC and EFTC since I was 11 in 1947. Only breaking off to play myself for a number of years.

 

If you had read earlier forum comments you would know that I have been absent for several months due to circumstances beyond my control. During that time I have relied on other peoples comments, which were very varied in their observations. In arriving at my conclusions I used a lifetimes experience given by my profession. However, we often disagree but respectfully. That is what this forum is about. 

 

From your boorish manner and pompous disregard to other contributors makes me conclude that you have a very over grown sense of self importance. Your very use of the word " Tosh " in itself shows this. I have come across many people similar in football when winding up several professional clubs.

 

As my critiques have invariably centred on the team management  and how it has been coached to play, Perhaps you would care to explain as to why it was all "TOSH", from a purely football stand point.

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With regards to the players at Enfield Borough, you have to remember that they are playing at step 6. I'm not saying they're not good guys but there is a massive difference between step 6 and step 3, I've even seen a big difference between step 3 and 4 this season.

I'm a bit torn about the younger players because although they should be given a chance are they ready for a real tough season at this level or should they be loaned out to clubs at step 4 for instance to get valuable playing time. Experience is everything at this level. It is my understanding that the 3 youngsters that came from Broxbourne u18 (Hockney, Nolan and QC) were considered the best players in that side. Hockney stayed with the squad all season, while QC and Nolan were loaned out to Cheshunt and Egham respectively.

Finally to Mr 4WF, sir, it is with the greatest respect that I ask this. I have read of your difficulties this season and I am sorry for your troubles. You made your mind up about the Manager very early from what you were told, but have you tried to speak to the man himself? I too had heard and read differing comments about him, but to satisfy my own curiosity decided to speak to him myself and this resulted in my view being pro the manager and that he should be given time to get it right.

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This is my first posting on this forum, and I'm afraid that what I'm about to say I wish I didn't have to. Having read so much garbage on this topic I feel I have to respond.I find it fascinating that people have so much to say about Andy Leese and the team when they clearly don't attend regularly at games. Andyetfc, you say you threw your season ticket away in disgust last Saturday, that's pretty radical bearing in mind that was our last home game of the season. 4Wembleyfinals, you have a lot to say for yourself bearing in mind it was your first appearance of the  season, most of it uninformed tosh. Oh and Lovely Stuff, how many games do you go to to spout so much equally uninformed tosh ? As for this tedious theme concerning AL only playing ageing players, well let me see,Rumens,Parcell,McKenzie,Blackman and Wynter are all in their early Twenties. Wright,Johnson,Youngs,Greene,Wadkins and Blake are in their mid twenties, and Hockney is still a teenager. Doesn't exactly qualify them for a pension does it now? I've no problem with people criticising when they go to games home and away regularly, but really, the opinions of those I've mentioned here are quite frankly worthless.

I certainly did not type 'disgust'. Have you never heard of a joke before? Throw away yes, because I can't tear it up as its plastic, oh and it was the last home game of the season. When I mentioned

this to fellow supporters before the game they laughed.

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I think it’s clear that I am an advocate for the youngsters, especially as our club is at a point of needing to secure a successful future, and quick. Jack was injured for one week, but as I understand it, he’s just been left out of the last few games despite no longer being injured. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I really hope he hasn’t been picked up somewhere else. Congrats to Junior, but I need to see more to see of him, as previously mentioned he’s only played about 40 mins all year.

 

I’ve always said I would support the management and see where we were at the end of the season. For me, they have just about passed. Now we need to see confirmation of players sorted for next season. I hope the likes of Blackman, Sam, Mickey, Greene, and Wright are all still with us.

 

Green grass...if you post on this forum, a bit of respect wouldn’t go amiss. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but getting your facts right about what people have typed might be a good starting point.

 

To everyone on here, thank you for an interesting year on this forum. Despite differences of opinion, I have really enjoyed the banter, (some of you have made me laugh out loud), and the obvious passion for this club that everyone has. Here’s to a successful next season...hopefully!

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Exactly my sentiments Castorman. No we don't all agree with one another but even from our different view points we have one thing in common and that is a bright future for the club.

 

The short answer FJFtie  is "YES"  I have TRIED to speak to him before, but not at this club. 

At the time I probably formed an opinion but my the views expressed during this season were purely based on the football we have produced under his tenure. But then I'm told I only write "Tosh". I also admit that , if what I heard last summer was true, I would have liked to have seen the young assistant manager of a National League team appointed but that is all water under the bridge now.

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Very strange how this is your first posting,shows how much interest you have in our club

Just because it's a first post it doesn't mean someone has little interest or no knowledge of our club it just means it's their first post.

 

 

All facts stated are correct even if they don't fit in with others views.

 

 

The squad that started the season was of the older kind but has been evolving over the season and will continue to evolve. 

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This is my first posting on this forum, and I'm afraid that what I'm about to say I wish I didn't have to. Having read so much garbage on this topic I feel I have to respond.I find it fascinating that people have so much to say about Andy Leese and the team when they clearly don't attend regularly at games. Andyetfc, you say you threw your season ticket away in disgust last Saturday, that's pretty radical bearing in mind that was our last home game of the season. 4Wembleyfinals, you have a lot to say for yourself bearing in mind it was your first appearance of the  season, most of it uninformed tosh. Oh and Lovely Stuff, how many games do you go to to spout so much equally uninformed tosh ? As for this tedious theme concerning AL only playing ageing players, well let me see,Rumens,Parcell,McKenzie,Blackman and Wynter are all in their early Twenties. Wright,Johnson,Youngs,Greene,Wadkins and Blake are in their mid twenties, and Hockney is still a teenager. Doesn't exactly qualify them for a pension does it now? I've no problem with people criticising when they go to games home and away regularly, but really, the opinions of those I've mentioned here are quite frankly worthless.

Welcome to the forum.Hope you enjoy many years on this forum and manage to rack up the thousands of posts on here that those you have criticized have under their belts.Unfortunately i fear you are one of the many 'cuckoo' posters that have come and gone from this forum over the years.Those that simply join because they are friends or relatives of the current manager or squad member,and then disappear quickly once their 'boy' has left the club..Belter of a first post. :D

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