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Enfield Town v Worthing

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Team

Wright, Hatton, Sutton, Johnson, Olomowewe, McClean, Parcell, Blackman, Bricknell,  Youngs, Taafe

Subs

Rumens, Hope, Adams, Greene, Chaney

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Town 1 down 40 mins

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44 Chaney replaces Youngs

 

HT 0-1

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Hatton off deliberate handball, Wright saves the penalty

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Rumens on for Parcell 60 mins

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0-2 65 mins

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Bricknell Penalty 72 mins 1-2

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Billy can't do it on his own.   Again

He said 2nd half he s all alone

We couldn't score 1st half.   

Their fans are prize prats.....especially the one who got a reaction at the end.

Took too long for our stewards to intervene.

Thoroughly frustrating !!!

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Stone a crows... Sick as a parrot,.... Play down the lines,..... All get behind the Boys!!!!!... No I haven't gone mad just thought I'd get a few cliches of my chest. After all it I am hear from some the use of them is the only way to get a team motivated. Also that all my twaddle about set-up, match planning and  the correct balance of a team for each match has nothing to do with the outcome. Just throw in a few more cliches and it will make everything come right.

Yes I'm angry because I hate to see what is potentially a good side made to become average by one persons rigid intransigence. A few more like this and another season will be wasted along with an increased Budget. 

NO further comment, other than yet another apposite cliche, "Non so blind as those who wish not to see!!!!"

 

Edited by 4wembleyfinals

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love the substitutions... 2-0 down Parcell off injured and he brings on ........ a centre half 😀.... then he leaves Adams on the bench ..... no point getting angry tho 4WF .... nothing's going to change ... too many people in the club are more than happy with our position..... prepare to be shot down though for daring to question the one persons intransigence.....

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Unfortunately couldn’t there tonight, but reading the above I’ve got the gist. 4WF, you have every right to be angry and frustrated, why wouldn’t you be?!. But sir, you’re frustrations won’t change anything as no one (in management) seems to listen or even consider the opinion that changing things might have a positive impact, therefore all you will do is cause stress to yourself, and it’s really not worth it. Let’s just hope that someone sees fit to have a quite word in AL’s ear (actually, a loud word). 

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What an inept performance. Poor mistakes from the defence and some interesting team selections. One thing that unsurprisingly didn’t change was the formation, which the management appear to be completely stubborn on. 

After a disastrous start to the 2nd half we were beaten by the better team, convincingly. 

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I said my piece Theo and I feel so disillusioned I have nothing more to say.  I stand by my conviction and if the majority of supporters see things otherwise so be it.

Thanks for your comments Cman,  unfortunately I am not surprised with the state of affairs as last year I made it clear what may happen when AL was appointed. I was vilified then so whats new.

Edited by 4wembleyfinals

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as for the game the first half we played ok but that clinical finishing was lacking ... going in 1-0 down was a bit harsh but it is so worrying the ease on which teams seem to walk through our defence... we can't blame having ten men as we would have been two down with eleven men if he hadn't punched the ball off the line..... again we defended deep leaving only Billy up front with a thirty yard gap between him and our midfield thus allowing the opposition to attack in numbers just leaving two men back .... bringing on Rumens for parcell was baffling when 2-0 down would love to know his thinking there and again Liam comes on for the ninth consecutive game in more or less the same minute leaving the fresh young legs of Adams sitting frustrated on the bench... can see him being the next youngster off in search of a game.... 

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>Theo

Their goalkeeper and defence were very good. Reminded me of the of the old Enfield soak up the early pressure always playing out to fast forwards who will take on the defence and finally when the opponents have used up all their resources.

Go for the jugular and keep going.

We have done it once or twice this season but not consistently. We always come out of the traps fast but that sort of pressure cannot last for 90 minutes and it didn't yesterday. Perhaps that is why our away form is far better than our home form. (BTW before some smart alec corrects me I haven't checked the stats).

Edited by Steph
spelling error and tidying up.

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Have to say don't really feel much better this morning than I did last night.

Noticed on Twitter Billy scored his 250th goal.   An amazing achievement.      He is a brilliant player........and was so excited when his arrival was announced but he is being sooooooooo misused.    Despite Liam's late arrival(as usual) as soon as he came on he flicked on the ball and Billy was there.....yes he was tackled however it showed that with support Billy will receive more.

Been said time and again......if we play 4 2 3 1.........then the whole team must get closer to Billy.

If we play 4 5 1..........then either Sam(Young or Chaney) are both able players to feed him......or either winger.   However more often than not he is so isolated and the ball comes back every time.   I honestly wish we would look at playing 4 3 3......we have the players to do it.   If it's broke........which it clearly is then why oh why do we carry on.   Failing that for goodness sake give Billy either Brandon/bilal or Liam alongside him......we'd cause defences all manner of problems.

I felt silly for Billy last night, but at the same time our defence isn't right either.......whether it's lack of concentration we are leaking too much and it seems that quite a few teams are playing smarter than us.   Hate to say it........however at the moment more often than not we are beating OURSELVES.

Think within the next month our season will be decided    😣

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Steph, a very astute and erudite  reference, re Einstein. Wish I had thought of it. The brevity of it sums up our predicament precisely.

Edited by 4wembleyfinals

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I don't know how much homework managers in our league put it but they would only need to watch us once to know EXACTLY what to expect....as Steph says we do normally start quickly and look good but it is so easy to get in between our lines as the gaps are so big... teams literally walk through the gaps... we don't defend as a unit or play as a unit ... even when we beat Burgess they had two excellent chances to take the lead .... i feel we are on the verge of blowing what could be our best ever chance to progress....

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Having slept on it, here's my take on the game:

I actually think we were a lot closer to Worthing than the scoreline suggests, another game of fine margins and frustratingly (I seem to use that word a lot), we didn't take our chances when were well on top towards the end of the first half - Worthing looked really vulnerable at this point. Half time came at a bad time for us, it was only a matter of time before we equalized, and how Chaney didn't get on the end of that ball across the goal, I don't know. That said, we absolutely must cut out the individual errors, their first goal was a bit of a lucky break leading up to it from memory, but they cut though us far too easily. They're clearly a dangerous side, with pace in wide areas and looked to pass the ball in every position, which was nice to see, but I do wonder how they'll go doing this on heavy winter pitches.

 

We started the second half asleep, and this was the most disappointing thing for me, we switched off badly leading up to the penalty, and Hatton was in a no win situation: 2-0 or 10 men. With hindsight he probably made the wrong choice, especially with so many of our full backs now injured, but it's a split second thing, and I don't blame him, especially when Wright saved the pen (how many times have we seen that now?). After this and when they scored their second, we were right up against it, a side moving the ball well, being patient with the ball, switching play and stretching us in all areas, and for me it was only a matter of time before we saw another goal. It was a pleasant surprise that it was us that scored it, and for 5 minutes or so, we actually looked like we had a sniff of getting something, especially from set pieces. Sadly the inevitable happened, Worthing worked the ball really well down the left, and scored a nice 3rd putting the game to bed... after this it was damage limitation, and Wright made a couple of smart saves towards the end to keep the score slightly more respectable (insofar as 1-4 can be respectable).

 

I know that some of Andy's substitutions have been a little formulaic at times, but I don't think he can be accused of that in this game. We had 2 genuine injuries, and his hand was forced. As for Rumens for Parcell, Mickey was playing right back / right wing back at this point, and we were still (just) in the game, so bringing on a forward wouldn't have been the right choice for me. I suspect the thinking was "try to contain them as much as possible, and then maybe nick something from a set piece" - I don't have a problem with that. Bringing on Hope rather than Adams I don't think matters particularly either, they both bring different things - once we were effectively down to 9 with Sutton injured we could have brought on Lionel Messi and still lost the game.

 

Some positives:

- The first half performance, especially the last part of the half, where we clearly rattled a good side, and probably should have been level if not ahead at the break on chances.

- Bricknell looks sharper than when I saw him last, won and dispatched a pen, and will be a real asset all season.

- Chaney looked good when he came on, and hopefully will have a big part to play.

- We didn't give up at any point, and judging by some of the tackles made in the second half, you could see that the players cared.

- Joe Wright (don't need to say anymore on that point)

 

Some negatives:

- We don't take nearly enough of the chances we make.

- We keep making silly mistakes / switching off, which is costing us so many points. Whether this is tactical, or individual errors, I'm not sure, but it's SO frustrating.

- We now have 3 full backs either injured or suspended.

 

Although disappointing, I'm not nearly as downbeat as I was after the Mertsham and especially Brightlingsea games - those were games that we could and should have won, this was a game against a side who I expect to be either top, or right up there at the end of the season - we weren't far off matching them, and were better than them in the first half (in my view). I'm not sure I buy into all the questioning of Andy's tactics either, he's clearly got a decent track record with a system that works, and whilst we're competing at the right end of the table he's justified in what he's doing. We also have a lot of good midfielders in the squad, and probably just one stand out forward in Bricknell, I think this is why we end up playing Youngs just off Bricknell, rather than two up front. If you look at our bench we had Chaney and Greene, plus 5 very capable starting midfielders, I don't see that strength in depth in forwards, so actually don't think it would improve us playing a second out and out striker. That said (and I know I always say this) football is all about opinions, and this is mine... I'm not begrudging anyone else their views if they're constructive.

 

What I do note at times from reading this forum is that there seems to be a disproportionately strong reaction to losing games compared to praise when things are going well. I get that people are down/annoyed/frustrated when we lose, but we aren't going to win every game. Yes we could be higher in the league had we turned a few draws into wins, but on the flip side, we're still right up there in the mix, aren't (in my view) playing badly and hopefully have plenty more to give, especially as we're only a third of the way through the season.

 

Glass half full, keep believing, keep supporting 💪

Edited by Barney
Edited to remove typos.

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Thanks Barney - got through two cups of coffee while reading your post!!

 

Thought I'd stumbled into an echo chamber last night, so here's my two penn'orth aimed at widening the discussion a bit.

 

Firstly, a few points:

  • Worthing are a very good side, possibly the best I've seen all season
  • Worthing play the same formation as us!  For Bricknell, Youngs, Parcell and Taaffe read Newton, Meekums, Ajiboye and Starkey.  Last night they played it better than us.
  • We lost the game not because we played only one up front, but because a lot of bad things happened in quick succession - Youngs' injury, Hatton's red card, Parcell's injury, Sutton's injury.  That's a lot to cope with, especially when up against a side like Worthing

 

Here are a few points that have not yet been raised:

 

Do we have a problem with fitness?  This would explain the tailing off towards the end of games and the silly errors that happened on Saturday.

Regarding the defence - we have good defenders, but not a good defence, if that makes sense.  I think that we need a Darren Purse-type in the back line to organise things on the field.  Joe Wright seems to be far more exposed this season, and he can only do so much

Up front, Billy was getting adequate support last night until things got disrupted.  Parcell, Taaffe and Youngs were all joining the attack regularly.  Selecting a second striker would necessitate a change of system and sacrificing one of our midfield - and I for one would not want to say which one!

 

See - there is far more to it than simply picking an extra striker!

 

Although annoyed at getting knocked out of the cups, I am still not too disheartened by our current position; we are at the right end of the table, and at the moment no other team seems inclined to break away at the top.  Andy's most difficult task now will be to restore confidence after three straight losses.

 

Right - get stuck into that lot!

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Thanks for that well structured post Barney.... obviously some very valid observations... I agree with all your positives.... I suppose disappointments come through expectations and the bar was set high this year due to the restructuring and a very good squad assembled... where we have been lucky is that this is a very moderate league and 25 points in fifteen games would not normally have a team in 4th spot so in that respect things look better than they really are....

 

FJ ... absolutely spot on about the defence.... why have we good defenders and not a good defence ? Who's job is that to organise it... last year we had the same problem with Joe player of the year and that was with DP as coach ..... 

Edited by Theodopolous

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11 minutes ago, Father Jack said:

Do we have a problem with fitness?  This would explain the tailing off towards the end of games and the silly errors that happened on Saturday.

Regarding the defence - we have good defenders, but not a good defence, if that makes sense.  I think that we need a Darren Purse-type in the back line to organise things on the field.  Joe Wright seems to be far more exposed this season, and he can only do so much

Agreed FJ - I actually wonder about fitness too, whilst we arguably have our best squad ever, we do have a habit of fading in games. Defensively we need to defend as a team, be disciplined and cut out the mistakes (although arguably the best way to defend is to retain possession better - no team can score without the ball). I would love to have an experienced centre back come into the squad, especially with MMK seemingly out long term, but I doubt they're that easy to come by :)

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Just now, Theodopolous said:

Thanks for that well structured post Barney.... obviously some very valid observations... I agree with all your positives.... I suppose disappointments come through expectations and the bar was set high this year due to the restructuring and a very good squad assembled... where we have been lucky is that this is a very moderate league and 25 points in fifteen games would not normally have a team in 4th spot so in that respect things look better than they really are....

Cheers - and agreed completely on the points to games ratio, but the league is what it is this season... For us to kick on, we need to be turning those draws against lower/mid table side into wins - as someone else quite validly pointed out, far better to win 2 and lose 1 than to draw 3...

 

Long way to go, but I genuinely believe that if we keep supporting the management and this group of players, we have a lot to look forward to as a club 👍

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