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Enfield Town v Kingstonian

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Team

Wright, Parcell, Sutton, Johnson, Olomowewe, Rumens, Youngs, Blackman, Bricknell, Chaney, Taafe

Subs

Hope, McLean, Sayoud, Greene,  Mubiayi

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In the absence of goals and updates so far at the QE2 Stadium, note that our old friend Harry Ottaway has scored two in the first half for Ashford United against Herne Bay, and Brandon Adams has scored for Ware on his debut away to FC Romania.

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Town 1 down on the hour

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Sayoud and Hope on for Chaney and Taafe 75 mins

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Greene on for Johnson 82 mins

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A disappointing home defeat against an in-form K's side, and a poor run of results for Town with six matches without a win. Be interesting to hear what peoples thoughts are on the match. We might not be banging the goals in at present, but our old boys certainly are. Two for Harry Ottaway, two for Mark Kirby in Haringey Boroughs 3-1 win over AFC Hornchurch, and (don't think I should mention this) three for Brandon Adams in Ware's 1-6 win today.

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the good news is that now without the distractions of the play offs and the major cups we can now fully concentrate on the velocity cup coming up..... 

as for the game... Billy has neck ache from watching Joes punts upfield sail over his head... the midfield battled as always with no one in front of them in space.... the defence was splattered all over the place for their goal ....Hope came on in the 73rd minute instead of the 71st...a pretty even game with few chances with the midfields cancelling each other out.... probably a draw would have been fair..... still another depressing watch ... surely even the most staunch leese supporters on here must  be having slight concerns...

 

ps... I don't think anyone who understands football could fail to see that Adams is a bright young talent it's just a shame that certain people don't think that ability fits in to our future 

Edited by Theodopolous

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Interesting to see Billy on his own in the right wing position during the first half! Just what do people expect him to do when he's on his own?

As for the match. I thought we were second best throughout. Kingstonian were more equipped, had a better formation and shape to their team and appeared to have loads more players on the park as they were everywhere.

Something has to change.

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Totally agree Andy.

Billy is almost chasing his own flick on's.

One of the best strikers at our level  but he needs help.

Why didn't Andy take off a centre half go three at the back and get at them with an extra striker.

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why don't linesmen stay in line with the keeper when taking a kick they might see the handballs by so many keepers as the go outside the box , why cant we try some of the under 23's squad ? when will we get back to winning ways

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5 hours ago, andyetfc said:

Interesting to see Billy on his own in the right wing position during the first half! Just what do people expect him to do when he's on his own?

As for the match. I thought we were second best throughout. Kingstonian were more equipped, had a better formation and shape to their team and appeared to have loads more players on the park as they were everywhere.

Something has to change.

A better formation? One up front just like our formation.

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15 minutes ago, MbrunoB said:

A better formation? One up front just like our formation.

But Kingstonian knew what to do with their's.

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My tuppence worth on the one up front debate - I think the main reason we lost that game yesterday is because we didn't get anybody close enough to Billy up front.

Our 'front three' yesterday were Billy, Sam Youngs (mainly) and Lewis Taaffe but Sam and Lewis were playing like wide players as those playing in that position have done most of this season. Micky Parcell rarely got forward at all - Remi a little more but not enough. Result, Billy isolated up front.

Now look at my other team, Liverpool - Mane, Firmino and Salah playing as a front three in a completely different way with superb movement and inter-change of positions between them. Key passes between those players and the crosses mainly coming from wide (which is important) from Andy Robertson & Trent Alexander-Arnold (or Joe Gomez when he plays there) ie the full backs.

Now I'm not saying, as good as some of our players are, that we have the quality to play like Liverpool. But Billy can't be enjoying his football at the moment and, for me, it's key that we get players closer to him.

Interestingly, I also attended the Brazil v Uruguay game at The Emirates - Firmino also up front there, playing with Neymar & Douglas Costa. Great front three, no? Actually, Douglas Costa stayed very wide (ineffective, taken off), Neymar played either very wide left or often came very deep (ineffective, other than scoring a winning penalty!). Result, Firmino barely got a kick and looked isolated up front. Wasn't the free-flowing football you'd expect from Brazil.

I'm not saying that 2 up front is always the way to go - managers need to mix it up and change their formations based on who they're playing, what form players are in etc etc. it used to be that many managers played one up front away from home and reverted to a different formation at home - think it was probably Chelsea that changed that and they've admittedly had a lot of success but didn't work out too well for them yesterday!

We were better yesterday than we have been in recent weeks - a draw would have been a fairer result against a good Kingstonian side. But we've got to find a way to get back to scoring goals and, at the moment, for me that needs more forwards on the pitch. Ironically, we lost another forward this week who scored a hat-trick yesterday so we're not currently blessed with options in that position...who'd be a manager?

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it is a combination of how we set up and also our attitude during games.

Billy has been isolated all year long.

As a result of that we spend longer defending than attacking.      I honestly feel sorry for him as one of his best options along side him has now been given a proper chance elsewhere and we've seen numerous youngsters come and go which is a shame.

If people on here think it's not down to formations then please watch upcoming games and see the scraps he has to feed on......I don't mean Andy.

This season is turning into one of our strongest looking squads.....turning into a damp squib all too soon!!!

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Even though it was a Home Game I agreed to go away this weekend. The reason being is that even I am getting a little tired repeating my observation over the past month on what appears to be happening to our team.

Reading other other peoples comments it now seem that quite a number of contributors  are using the same song sheet as me. It is comforting to learn that so many, like me , are out of step.

Our detractors still seem to be using their well warn cliches without really adding anything to the debate. I have to say, however,  that I admire MB's brevity and stoicism when making his points. I am probably wrong but he along with LH give the impression that they have a greater vested interest than we ordinary supporters.

I am afraid " Brevity" has never been my forte but I will try my best by replying to his comment, that most teams have the same number of players as us, a single goalkeeper etc. Perhaps he could tell me why they seem to be better than us.

But numbers ,systems and quality of players are meaningless, especially players, unless a manager is able to bring their individual talents together in such a way that theu benefit the team After AL brought most of them together so presumably he new what they had to offer.

I sincerely hope that he has this attribute amongst his armour!!!! Otherwise in the words of Private Fraser " WE'RE DOOOOMED".

 

Edited by 4wembleyfinals

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I don't believe Andy Leese is a bad manager he is just a bad manager of our squad and club... these things happen.... sometimes there's a fit and sometimes there isn't.... I don't believe for one minute the board have the appetite (or the money ) to make a change this season so as supporters it could be the case of writing off this season and probably the next because one things almost certain that any new manager that may be brought in won't have anything to work with....

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Though depressing your post is a very astute observation Theo. I too don't think AL is intentionally a "Bad" manager. But from comments I heard last year from people with in the non-league fraternity, much of which I repeated on this forum following his appointment, he is well known for his reluctance to seek advice when things start to go wrong.  Before anyone castigates me saying this I would add these remarks only came with reference to his attitude to management. Some of my best friends in sport have been lovely people away from the game but as playing partners they were b........s.

Perhaps some of us have been spoilt by previous mangers. Eddie Mcluskey being my favourite both as a person and manager. I believe Brad Quinton had the makings even though I felt, like others, let down when he left. Because of the way our club is run it is desirable to have these virtues in our manager. After all we all have a vested interest as to what goes on. That is the very nature of the beast.

We can only hope that someone, with more clout than us, within the club, will start to question why we have suddenly hit a brick wall, especially after the win at Tonbridge, and how best it can be addressed. Hopefully sooner than later.

 

Edited by 4wembleyfinals

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You simply cannot play Billy in such an isolated role. People on this forum have been saying this for weeks. 

I'm going to respectfully disagree with some of the above. Andy must be a bad manager if he is unable to adapt when it is clear that the system employed isn't working. Either the oppo have figured us out, or we were flattering to deceive with our early season form. Either way, a good manager would react and make appropriate changes.

I want Andy to succeed. I want ETFC to succeed. Neither are happening at present. Something needs to change.

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33 minutes ago, The Crowing Cockerel said:

You simply cannot play Billy in such an isolated role. People on this forum have been saying this for weeks. 

I'm going to respectfully disagree with some of the above. Andy must be a bad manager if he is unable to adapt when it is clear that the system employed isn't working. Either the oppo have figured us out, or we were flattering to deceive with our early season form. Either way, a good manager would react and make appropriate changes.

I want Andy to succeed. I want ETFC to succeed. Neither are happening at present. Something needs to change.

I can't believe all teams have figured us out. It must be something else.

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