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Even though a strong critic of AL from the start I still feel we have the nucleus of a good side.  Whether there is someone out there who could bring some discipline into our play is a matter for conjecture. I till this squad could be brought back to winning ways by some one like BQ.  Unfortunately I do not think it is obtainable whilst AL is in charge. He may be have been a good coach in his day but as I inferred at the time of his appointment he is known to be very set in his ways. Also that he is reluctant to take advice. He has a hard task to stop the slide. Perhaps his decision to go with a small squad is coming back to haunt him. We can hope I am proved wrong and as some say it is only a blip.

Since we are told that our player budget is very competitive for this league the Board have some hard decisions to  make. If we accept this, and I see no reason not to, then if action is not taken to stop us sliding down the table they will have to decide whether to stay with the status quo or go for change. Otherwise our investment will be for nothing.

It may be a decision will not taken until the end of the season. But from what I read feelings are running high. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, 4wembleyfinals said:

 

Even though a strong critic of AL from the start I still feel we have the nucleus of a good side.  Whether there is someone out there who could bring some discipline into our play is a matter for conjecture. I till this squad could be brought back to winning ways by some one like BQ.  Unfortunately I do not think it is obtainable whilst AL is in charge. He may be have been a good coach in his day but as I inferred at the time of his appointment he is known to be very set in his ways. Also that he is reluctant to take advice. He has a hard task to stop the slide. Perhaps his decision to go with a small squad is coming back to haunt him. We can hope I am proved wrong and as some say it is only a blip.

Since we are told that our player budget is very competitive for this league the Board have some hard decisions to  make. If we accept this, and I see no reason not to, then if action is not taken to stop us sliding down the table they will have to decide whether to stay with the status quo or go for change. Otherwise our investment will be for nothing.

It may be a decision will not taken until the end of the season. But from what I read feelings are running high. 

 

 

 

 

Told by who the budget is competitive? I think that it’s maybe not as competitive as you think 

 

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My previous comments were , for my part, meant to be more objective and less derisive which, some would say, is a turn around for me.

Firstly, following a number of my critiques of AL management in the past I have been told, in no uncertain terms, on this forum that our budget is very competitive. Secondly, in the same vain, many have said it is because our budget is smaller than most teams in the league it is hash to criticise AL because of the financial restraints he is under. Forgetting that BQ was under the same restraints.Either way, whether it is larger or smaller it does not excuse AL's approach to how the team play. This is amplified in individuals who play week in and week out who supporters are now coming to realise are liabilities to the team.

In my previous two post I would have have not deviated from what I thought over the 3 preceding years. That even though he has now assembled a fairly good squad of players, who so far have been reasonably successful (see earlier reports) they still do not know how to play when they are against a more organised team. This is mainly because of his one dimension approach to how the team should play.

I think he will not change and it is this which the Board have to consider.

 

 

 

 

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I wasn't at the game, but my sources tell me that it was absolutely dire... I'm not totally buying into the doom and gloom though, in the same way that I wasn't totally bought into the euphoria when were playing very nicely and on our winning run (which wasn't all that long ago). Teams go through bad phases, which we obviously are at the moment, it's all about how we respond and hopefully turn things around, as clearly Saturday wasn't close to being good enough. Weatherstone is a big miss, as much for his leadership and organisation as for his individual play.

Whilst I think our style is a generally quite direct, there have been games where we've played some very nice stuff, kept the ball in midfield and opened sides up with some neat passing, so I don't think it's the management team's intention to lump balls up for Mo and Billy to lose in the air. I do feel that as we are short on confidence, we tend to take the easier / safer option to go long and clear our lines, rather than looking to keep the ball. That's more to do with a lack of people showing for passes and taking responsibility than it is with the system, although arguably as the management team assembles the squad and picks the team, the buck stops with them.

Hoping for a turnaround in the next few games, it can't get any worse (can it?)... if it does, I might need to drag my 18 month old daughter out in the cold to another game - her viewing record is something like W8 D0 L1 😁

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On 07/12/2019 at 20:07, old towner said:

hopefully some one how knows we play in WHITE  give Jamie Doyle or Oscar Egboh or Kyle Lynch  or Dante Mcintosh or Jonathan Mundele or Danny O'Leary a go they couldn't do any worse  that kick it anywhere Ryan

that is what the u23's are for surly

 

Seen the under 23s play much?

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One young guy that appears to have disappeared off the radar is Callum Ellesley.I thought he looked a tidy player the little I saw of him.Anyone know what's happened to him ?

I have seen a couple of u23 games this season some good players in the squad,unfortunately there are no programmes so I have no clue of there names.The entire midfield from the u23s could not do any worse than what we have at the moment in the first team imo at least they know how to pass the ball.

 

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3 hours ago, 72wemblyfinal said:

One young guy that appears to have disappeared off the radar is Callum Ellesley.I thought he looked a tidy player the little I saw of him.Anyone know what's happened to him ?

I have seen a couple of u23 games this season some good players in the squad,unfortunately there are no programmes so I have no clue of there names.The entire midfield from the u23s could not do any worse than what we have at the moment in the first team imo at least they know how to pass the ball.

 

Callum has left the club as he wasnt getting any game time.

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17 hours ago, The Crowing Cockerel said:

I haven't. Are any of them worth a run in the first team?

Not anywhere near it.

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1 hour ago, The Crowing Cockerel said:

Ok, there's your answer then! So I guess AL needs to look at recruiting some quality from elsewhere - if the kitty isn't completely empty.

Now there is the problem.

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3 or 4 weeks ago, we had a good, exciting squad that was moving up the league... not much has changed in that respect, we've just picked up a few injuries and are playing without confidence. I'd say that maybe one or two additions to freshen things up would help (especially in midfield), but I don't think we need wholesale changes - we need to get back to how we were playing not long ago. For me, that's the management's challenge, and will show us how good they are.

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I thought that I would add my thoughts.

We have two very good forwards but both need space to do their business.

Our opponents over the last few games have come to realise this and rather than defend on the edge of the penalty area or just in front they are defending higher and the back fours work as a team. Consequently Billy usually picks up the ball a few yards into the opponent's half and though he can keep the ball and lay off he hasn't got the pace to break the off side trap. If the midfield doesn't have the energy to support him we have a problem as he is generally surrounded by 2-3 defenders very quickly.

Now for Mo the problem is somewhat different. He has the pace to beat the offside trap but he often is found wide on the wing. Even if he isn't found wide the defence do not usually tackle him as that would leave them exposed but when he has the ball the marker can shepherd him wide where he cannot do damage. Mo coming at you at pace is a formidable opponent but if he can be tightly marked on receiving the ball the defender, providing he doesn't challenge, can control Mo's movement.

With our opponents playing a high back four our midfield finds itself cramped and forced back. The midfield does not have the ability to hold the ball and Billy should give them training in this. They also lack vision. How many times do we see the midfield pumping the ball down the left flank and completely ignoring the right side. THEY LACK THE SKILLS TO KEEP THE BALL.

That's my thoughts any way.

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A very concise summation Steph1. I wonder if the management are aware of this???  I have expressed my thoughts on their awareness on previous numerous occasions. To precis them, my answer would be; they may do but any observations, even from his playing staff, which falls outside of AL's fixed view on how his teams should play overrides any other considerations.  As I said, right at the beginning of his arrival, he is well known not take to others advice very readily.  Even when it is so obviously valid. 

It will be interesting how he deals with the current dilemma!!!  

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Exactly as I have observed Steph.

I have mentioned this on numerous occasions to people who have the ear of AL.

4WF

I don't think AL has the same rigid playing style as when he first arrived,ie diamond with one up front hit it long,hold it up till support arrives.We now seem to line up 4-3-3,and the team do try to play passing football,I have witnessed some great games this season involving quality passing football.But as Steph so succinctly put against well organised teams holding a higher line we really struggle,and the ball goes long again.Teams have now sussed our style of play.

Surely our coaching team see this problem ?

 

 

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You would hope so 72W. I agree with what you say but 4-3-3 only works if your hub, the mid-field is up to it. As you may know the Hungarians introduced this play in the early fifties and Alf Ramsey adopted it with Ipswich and then England. Quickly almost universally every team adopted it. To be successful at this formation it required the teams to have there strength in midfield.

Unfortunately at the moment it is our weakest link. Hopefully if Taafe recovers soon, along with Livings, this may be alleviated but how long will that be?  No one seems to know. In the mean time urgent attention is needed before we lapse any further. Fortunately ,what ever happens Saturday, it is a one off game in which anything can happen. 

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7 hours ago, Steph1 said:

Now for Mo the problem is somewhat different. He has the pace to beat the offside trap but he often is found wide on the wing. Even if he isn't found wide the defence do not usually tackle him as that would leave them exposed but when he has the ball the marker can shepherd him wide where he cannot do damage.

Interesting comments as ever Steph - thanks. But just thought I'd clarify what might not be clear to everyone. Mo has clearly been instructed to play wide at times. The Wingate game was a good example. When told to play wide in the first half against Wingate they probably thought 'Thank you very much'. When allowed to go central in the second half, he scored (as we've come to expect).

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