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A letter issued today from the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) to all National League Club's via the National League:

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Some posts above there is reference to a petition to 'Save the National League Clubs with Support Grants'.  I'd just like to say that I think the petition is complete and utter nonsense and that I hop

Having seen many photos posted on line by people attending games its clear to see the blame lies mainly with the fans as the simple rule of social distancing clearly cannot be followed and yet it will

National League South Slough Town have made a lengthy statement on their website questioning whether it is morally right to expect Club's to continue playing given the current situation and with Covid

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The letter continued. I gather that the National League have asked its Club's to respond to a formal resolution to consider the outcome of the season, this follows a Board meeting earlier today, details of the resolution and the process will be sent out to Club's on Monday:

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A joint statement from sixteen National League North and South Club's, most if not all National League Club's are meeting with Sport England at 9.30 this morning (Friday) by Webinar to discuss and clarify the process for applying for funding. Loans are obviously still on the table however if some Club's imminent future is seriously at risk and they can demonstrate that loans are unaffordable to them then they may me eligible for a grant:

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On 20/01/2021 at 13:13, Winslow Boy said:

It’s pretty stupid in my opinion. Play and see where it takes us? The season won’t get completed and so the season wouldn’t stand. We are where we are, people need to be pragmatic and grown up. This season is finished, they declared last season null and void. We will have two seasons ‘ruined’ we can cry about it or accept it, the sky hasn’t fallen in, football will return. We just have to wait, we don’t have to like it. I would rather not waste money putting on matches that won’t count in the end. 

Exactly. The FA made the mistake last year not postponing the last season with over 50% complete and restarting when they could.

They’ve set the precedent and this season is over as far as I’m concerned.

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The Welling United Chairman, Mark Goldberg, makes a good point doesn't he, here is a statement from the National League South Club. I had to look it up to check whether this was the very same Mark Goldberg who, in 1998, paid Ron Noads nearly £24 million for Crystal Palace and it is, the Club went into administration a year later as well as being relegated from the Premier Division and Mr Goldberg was declared bankrupt in 2000:

CLUB STATEMENT | Update on current position - Welling United FC

"To not finish the season now would be inexcusable having accepted the grants to date and the Government funds could have been provided to much greater causes in the event our season now becomes null & void."

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21 hours ago, Munchkin said:

this season is over as far as I’m concerned.

Yep it just needs to be put out of its misery now.

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31 minutes ago, Savagebee said:

Yep it just needs to be put out of its misery now

What, like a dog or a cat being put down you mean, I don't think it is as simple as that and there might still be some remote possibility of saving it

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The contingency plan if there comes a point before the end of the season where we can play, they should dive divisions into 4,5,6 local teams, let them play friendlies against each other and have a trophy for whoever comes top of these small regional groups. 

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3 hours ago, Winslow Boy said:

The contingency plan if there comes a point before the end of the season where we can play, they should dive divisions into 4,5,6 local teams, let them play friendlies against each other and have a trophy for whoever comes top of these small regional groups. 

Not a bad idea. Most people just want to go and watch a match any match.

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Smallholder - Welcome back, I know you like your music so did you see the thread on another Forum entitled 'Non League Football Mentions In Music'. I'm afraid it doesn't mention the likes of Judas Priest, Slade, Black Sabbath, Wizzard, ELO, Dexys Midnight Runners, Shy, Duran Duran, Cloven Hoof, The Mighty Lemon Drops, Fine Young Cannibals, or Balaam and the Angel however you might be interested: 

Non League football mentions in music | NonLeagueMatters Forums

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There's a petition, for all the good it will do, entitled 'Save the National League football clubs with urgent support grants – not loans' urging the Government to change their mind and provide grants as opposed to loans:

Petition · Save the National League football clubs with urgent support grants – not loans · Change.org

National League clubs are facing catastrophe and a perilous situation in the next few days. We need a sustainable lifeline that does not leave clubs facing future ruin. After changing the terms of its support in the middle of the season, the government must reverse its decision to offer loans and now fulfil its promise of a new grant. Our clubs play an immeasurable role in communities all over the UK and provide immense structures of support for many. Current government loan offers have moved the financial goalposts mid-season and jeopardised the future of our clubs. Without adequate and fair funding, the National League will not survive, with consequences felt by thousands of players, supporters and club staff across the UK for many years to come. 

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Alison McGovern MP, Shadow Minister for Sport, who was on Ollie Bayliss's BBC Three Counties Radio Non League Show on Sunday, has today written a letter to Nigel Huddleston MP, the Under Secretary of State for the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), for all the good it will do:

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Just a thought on clubs the conference, for far too long they have been paying ludicrous wages totally out of whack with what they generate. That has filtered down, all the way to this level when lads who are pretty basic are expecting a good few pound notes to play. If any good comes of this it’ll be taking the silly money out of ‘wage budgets’ 

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Another joint statement, this time from seventeen of the National League North and South Club's, stating that 'Clubs who are unable to commit to fixtures should continue to have their campaign held in suspense by the National League and do so without fear of any sanctions':

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Three statements from National League South Club's Chippenham Town, Slough Town and Concord Rangers. Chippenham Town state that 'In the present climate, the Club cannot afford to fulfil its fixture at Dorking Wanderers this weekend and on a fixture-by-fixture basis will not do so until the outcomes are known', Slough Town want to allow Club's to decide their own 'fate' and preferably make the season null and void and Concord Rangers are surprisingly content to re-commence their season next Tuesday (9 February) however they are unable to fulfil their fixture on Saturday due to player safety and have notified the League:

NL SOUTH FIXTURES AND POSSIBLE SUSPENSION OF 2020/21 SEASON - CLUB STATEMENT (pitchero.com)

Club statement: An update for supporters | The Official website of Slough Town FC - latest news, photos and videos

Club Statement from Chairman Ant Smith – (concordrangers.co.uk)

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AFC Fylde make a good point don't they, in a statement the Club say that 'teams are prepared to play in their FA Trophy fixtures but have the hypocrisy to declare themselves unavailable to fulfil their league fixtures, we sincerely hope that the National League take a tough line on those taking this stance'. Darlington and Southport play in the FA Trophy tomorrow however have declared themselves unavailable to fulfil their National League North fixtures on the Tuesday:

CLUB STATEMENT| An update on the Guiseley AFC fixture and the integrity of the competition | AFC Fylde

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AFC Fylde make a good point don't they, in a statement the Club say that 'teams are prepared to play in their FA Trophy fixtures but have the hypocrisy to declare themselves unavailable to fulfil their league fixtures, we sincerely hope that the National League take a tough line on those taking this stance'. Darlington and Southport play in the FA Trophy tomorrow however have declared themselves unavailable to fulfil their National League North fixtures on the Tuesday:

CLUB STATEMENT| An update on the Guiseley AFC fixture and the integrity of the competition | AFC Fylde

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I think the £ sign in the bottom left of the photo may have something to do with teams playing FA Trophy games and not playing League fixtures, or am I just being cynical? 

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21 minutes ago, petethegreek said:

I think the £ sign in the bottom left of the photo may have something to do with teams playing FA Trophy games and not playing League fixtures, or am I just being cynical? 

Spot on. Money, they need it. 

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Chelmsford City's view is refreshing isn't it rather than just throwing in the towel as is the case with the majority of National League South and North Club's, the Club currently sit eleventh in the National League South, seven points off a play off place, so it's not like there is a hidden agenda and having one eye on promotion:

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On 05/02/2021 at 10:48, Rhodes said:

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This afternoon's FA Trophy Fifth Round results:
 
Sutton United 0 Woking 1
Aldershot Town P Chesterfield (Covid related)
Darlington 4 Wealdstone 1
Hereford 1 Leamington 0
Havant & Waterlooville 2 Notts County 2 (Notts County won 4-2 on pens)
Southport 0 Torquay United 2
Oxford City 2 Peterborough Sports 0
Hornchurch 5 Maidstone United 4
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Some posts above there is reference to a petition to 'Save the National League Clubs with Support Grants'.  I'd just like to say that I think the petition is complete and utter nonsense and that I hope that it sinks without trace.  Apart from being ill-timed and ill-judged, it is simply factually wrong.

The government has not 'changed the terms of its support', and no-one has 'moved the financial goalposts mid-season'.  To those who were actually paying attention it was clear from the outset that the initial grant was a one-off payment.  Rather, the truth of the situation is revealed in a one-liner in Alison McGovern's letter to Nigel Huddleston --  'football has been beset by a number of poor governance and financial issues for many years, including prior to the pandemic'.  

Precisely, or as Winslow Boy succinctly puts it, 'for far too long they have been paying ludicrous wages'.

When people with their hands out go on about 'government grants', or 'government money', what do they mean ?  Because the fact is, the government doesn't have any money -- all it has is the revenue it can garner in from taxpayers, which is, in essence, everyone on this forum, and everyone like us.  So when chancers are demanding 'government money', what they actually want is my money, and your money, and yes, even SavageBee's money -- I know how much he will enjoy me pointing that out. 

Take Barnet, for instance.  I have no axe to grind with Barnet, but they are owned, and, some would say, mismanaged, by the millionaire Tony Kleanthos.  So why on earth should my taxes, and your taxes, be given to him to help pay for what is, in effect, his hobby ?

It's quite simple --- yes, the situation is easing, but still hundreds of people are dying every day, and thousands more are going to die before we get through this.  And so, while we remain in this position, I want my taxes to go to the people who are making our lives bearable -- pharmacists, research scientists, ambulance drivers, hospital orderlies, even dustbinmen if you like -- people who are making a difference.  I do not want my taxes doled out to profligate, poorly-run football clubs so that they can continue to pay fifth-rate footballers.

So, there it is.  Rant over -- and  I promise not to mention it again.

 

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4 hours ago, agamemnon3 said:

Some posts above there is reference to a petition to 'Save the National League Clubs with Support Grants'.  I'd just like to say that I think the petition is complete and utter nonsense and that I hope that it sinks without trace.  Apart from being ill-timed and ill-judged, it is simply factually wrong.

The government has not 'changed the terms of its support', and no-one has 'moved the financial goalposts mid-season'.  To those who were actually paying attention it was clear from the outset that the initial grant was a one-off payment.  Rather, the truth of the situation is revealed in a one-liner in Alison McGovern's letter to Nigel Huddleston --  'football has been beset by a number of poor governance and financial issues for many years, including prior to the pandemic'.  

Precisely, or as Winslow Boy succinctly puts it, 'for far too long they have been paying ludicrous wages'.

When people with their hands out go on about 'government grants', or 'government money', what do they mean ?  Because the fact is, the government doesn't have any money -- all it has is the revenue it can garner in from taxpayers, which is, in essence, everyone on this forum, and everyone like us.  So when chancers are demanding 'government money', what they actually want is my money, and your money, and yes, even SavageBee's money -- I know how much he will enjoy me pointing that out. 

Take Barnet, for instance.  I have no axe to grind with Barnet, but they are owned, and, some would say, mismanaged, by the millionaire Tony Kleanthos.  So why on earth should my taxes, and your taxes, be given to him to help pay for what is, in effect, his hobby ?

It's quite simple --- yes, the situation is easing, but still hundreds of people are dying every day, and thousands more are going to die before we get through this.  And so, while we remain in this position, I want my taxes to go to the people who are making our lives bearable -- pharmacists, research scientists, ambulance drivers, hospital orderlies, even dustbinmen if you like -- people who are making a difference.  I do not want my taxes doled out to profligate, poorly-run football clubs so that they can continue to pay fifth-rate footballers.

So, there it is.  Rant over -- and  I promise not to mention it again.

 

Nail. Head. 

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The FA Trophy Quarter Final draw, former SSML Club Haringey Borough must be really kicking themselves mustn't they being 2-0 ahead at Oxford City in the Fourth Round and a home draw with Peterborough Sports in the last sixteen, they would have been looking forward to a trip to Notts County:

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4 hours ago, Rhodes said:

The FA Trophy Quarter Final draw, former SSML Club Haringey Borough must be really kicking themselves mustn't they being 2-0 ahead at Oxford City in the Fourth Round and a home draw with Peterborough Sports in the last sixteen, they would have been looking forward to a trip to Notts County:

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Apparently Chesterfield were, ''forced'', out of the FA Trophy.

They knew the Rules and broke them.

https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/sport/football/chesterfield-manager-james-rowe-shocked-spireites-forced-withdraw-fa-trophy-3128236

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