old towner 28 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 A brief FA statement following today's announcement from the UK Government Today the government announced new rules which should allow spectators to attend live sport once the second lockdown ends. We are, however, still short on detail, which will be further discussed between our governing body and the Department for Digital, Media, Culture and Sport. In response, the FA have released the following statement: 'We welcome the UK Government’s announcement today and we are very pleased that organised sports, which include Steps 3-6 of the National League System [NLS], Tiers 3-6 of the Women’s Football Pyramid [WFP] and competitive grassroots football, can look forward to resuming from 2nd December. We are also delighted to see the beginning of the safe return of fans in stadiums for elite sports events and confirmation that spectators at non-elite sports will be able to attend events in line with Covid-secure guidance for each tier. without 2 players playing for welling now in lockdown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnfieldTowner 112 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 The FA also said 'We will continue our ongoing dialogue with Government to clarify the details and next steps, and provide further updates in due course'. No clarity yet on whether matches at our level will be allowed in Tier 3 areas - we'll find out on Thursday what tier we'll be in. Evening Standard is currently saying London is likely to be Tier 2, Daily Mail front page says London will be Tier 3. The Welling players will be out of isolation before we're due to restart on the 8th December (Welling's statement on that subject was 20th November) - whether Ryan & Lyle come back is, of course, another matter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
djwilf 29 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Think would be good if we had an update.....obviously don't know about when exactly the Town will start playing again however...... you'd think there was some sort of dialogue going on between the management teams and players.....including Welling.......or are they being kept in the dark as much as we are?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old towner 28 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 with BQ in charge we are kept in the dark the law should be if a player goes on duel contract then the "mother" team ie etfc have control and get the player(s) as and when Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barney 57 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, old towner said: the law should be if a player goes on duel contract then the "mother" team ie etfc have control and get the player(s) as and when We don't have either player on contract as far as I'm aware. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Crowing Cockerel 59 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) As I understand it, Welling are due to play in the FA Trophy. I've not checked, but assuming Ryan and Lyle have both represented Town in the Trophy this season, then I gather they are ineligible to be selected for Welling. Would make sense for them to come back to Town for the Maldon game. We then kidnap them after the game and 'The Welling Problem' is solved. Edited November 24, 2020 by The Crowing Cockerel Barney 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4wembleyfinals 33 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) Gosh these " amicable arrangements*" certainly become confusing!!!!!! From what I have learned about the football world in the passed, CC, there is no such thing as sense or logic. It seems that in their world the watch phrase is " hang on to what you have got what ever happens, or at least until the price is right, whether legit or other wise. Edited November 24, 2020 by 4wembleyfinals Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raingod 43 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Yes CC they both played against Ramsgate so yes should play their next match for us .. Given the Welling isolation it would be good to get confirmation they are returning .. Whilst on the topic of good news, stumbled across Barnets live feed v Hartlepool tonight with 15mins to go - was a pay link but could be seen free - was interested in seeing Mo but he only played last few minutes - Barnet looked awful and their forum is doom and gloom about potential relegation - so in theory there could be an Enfield - Barnet league game next season for 1st time since 89/90 !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lovely stuff 72 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) As i said before i think we somehow need to make sure players commit to the club for a full season.Otherwise don't let them play for the club.(Also no dual contracts).There is currently very little connection between playing squad and supporters due to the high turnover of players (Although this is not unique to our club).This lack of connection affects attendances, so cost the club money. We are not in the business to be used as a convenient very short term stepping stone for players.And then to get no loyalty,benefit,or financial reward when they leave. A settled squad will be of more benefit to the club and our performances on the pitch than a transient ever-changing squad,even if that means missing out of some promising short term players Edited November 25, 2020 by lovely stuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnfieldTowner 112 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 It's an interesting debate and one we've clearly not managed to solve satisfactorily as a club yet. The one thing that needs to be clearly understood is that there's a difference between a contract and a registration. A contract means obligations for both the club and the player (we have 2 players on contract, I believe?) - how large those obligations are will depend on the monetary value of the contract and how long is left on that contract. I think it has been suggested before that we put more players on smaller value contracts - but then it would be much easier for the contract to be broken on either side, with little monetary recompense. I suspect there may be minimum and living wage considerations here too, though I don't personally know how these apply to non full time employment. Whist a contract may mean the club receives monetary compensation if that contracted player moves to another club, it also means we are stuck with paying the value of that contract if we want a player to move on - remember the highly thought of centre back of a few years ago, who came in as club captain but for one reason or another it didn't work out? If you want them to leave you then either agree amicably between the two parties, pay up the remainder of the contract (can be very costly) or continue paying the player and not playing them (Ozil at Arsenal being a perfect example). A registration means a player can play for us - but any club can make a 7 day approach so it only really gives you 7 days comfort. Dual registrations are allowable which I've always felt is a nonsense but that's not to say I can't see the logic of the decision ETFC took recently. It hasn't worked due to a Welling player catching Covid - but both players will be eligible again before we next play, it could have been that this happened in the last 2 weeks before our next game or they got injured and then neither would even have been eilgible! I've no idea whether either player will come back - though they are both cup tied for us in the FA Trophy as I understand it so that may help. I know there is a deep mistrust of BQ after what happened last time but he was (still is?) good friends with our Chairman so maybe that's where the 'amicable arrangement' comes from. I also don't think we should forget that at least one of those 2 players has shown considerable loyalty to our club over the last few seasons when he could have moved elsewhere. Lovely family too who also contribute a lot to our club. So what's the answer? Who knows? Who'd be a football club chairman? Thankfully we have a good one whose commitment to our club is not in question. Though that doesn't make the decisions any easier! Barney 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old towner 28 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 so as long as BQ is good friends with our chairman its ok for him to "pick" his team from our club why don't he go to Hornchurch or wingate lewis or others ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyetfc 101 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 7 hours ago, lovely stuff said: As i said before i think we somehow need to make sure players commit to the club for a full season.Otherwise don't let them play for the club.(Also no dual contracts).There is currently very little connection between playing squad and supporters due to the high turnover of players (Although this is not unique to our club).This lack of connection affects attendances, so cost the club money. We are not in the business to be used as a convenient very short term stepping stone for players.And then to get no loyalty,benefit,or financial reward when they leave. A settled squad will be of more benefit to the club and our performances on the pitch than a transient ever-changing squad,even if that means missing out of some promising short term players Well said.👍 lovely stuff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4wembleyfinals 33 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) On 25/11/2020 at 10:15, AnfieldTowner said: Who'd be a football club chairman? Thankfully we have a good one whose commitment to our club is not in question. Though that doesn't make the decisions any easier! The last few posts completely some up the problems of being a club like ours. Each submission has it's own merits. However, the one thing I think we can all agree with unreservedly is the last para of AT's comment quoted above regarding our Chairman who is continuing the tradition of service to our club started by other family members. Edited November 26, 2020 by 4wembleyfinals Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnfieldTowner 112 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Any views on whether our football should re-start again next week? The FA confirmed yesterday that no fans are allowed at our level in Tier 3 areas - so I think that's just Margate & Folkestone in our league? What seems less clear is whether food and drink can be sold in Tier 2 - though it does seem clear that the club bar could only open with table service and if a substantial meal is bought with any alcohol. So, in reality, that probably remains closed I'm guessing. Capacity limit remains at 600 at our level. I believe that the Leagues at Step 3 & 4, including Isthmian Premier, met last night to try to achieve a consensus across the leagues. The trouble is that also includes the Northern Premier League where most clubs are in Tier 3. The clubs at Step 3 & 4 have, I understand, been asked to vote for or against the following:- 'That Steps 3 & 4 continue the current pause in the season with a regular review in the light of changes to the current Tiers and/or Grants becoming available'. Voting for clubs closes at midnight tonight with results due tomorrow - I've no idea how our club will vote. Personally, I hope we can get back to playing again next week, though I wouldn't expect the teams in Tier 3 to play without fans. I hope the Isthmian League decides to go ahead, allowing Margate and Folkestone temporarily to postpone matches. Their Tier 3 restriction could, after all, be potentially less than 2 weeks but we'll have to wait and see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Crowing Cockerel 59 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Wasn't the long-stop date for the Tier system the beginning of February? What happens if Kent remains in Tier 3 until then? Not sure that Margate and Folkestone could be expected to catch up on fixtures missed between now and then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old towner 28 Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 It will be reassessed 16th December Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Crowing Cockerel 59 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 I see the Chairman voted in favour of continued suspension of the league. Lets see how the vote goes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old towner 28 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 What the feeling with the other supporters one thing is it will extend the season again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnfieldTowner 112 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Really disappointed with that decision, just can't see the sense in it at all. If that is the decision that's accepted by the league then I can't see anything other than another wasted void season. We're not going to be going into Tier 1 anytime soon as far as I can see - Tier 2 is as good as we're going to get for many months. Why close down at a time when the rest of the football community is opening up? Charlton had 2,000 fans last night. lovely stuff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old towner 28 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 be interesting on how society members would have voted !!!!! anyone give a reply another down side how many players would we have left in jan????? or have they been told to stay?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Crowing Cockerel 59 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, old towner said: another down side how many players would we have left in jan????? or have they been told to stay?? Where are they going to go? I guess the likes of Billy Bricknell could go to a National League South side. Otherwise the only option would be a game in one of the Amateur Leagues - such as the 'pay to play' SAL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lovely stuff 72 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 I think the part in the club statement about 'Grant's becoming available' presumably IF we don't resume playing must be key..Can see no other reason our club voted to basically null and void another season of football (when government rules stated we could safely resume) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old towner 28 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 the way I see it its Margate and Folkestone that cant have spectators cant we carry on and when or if they are in tier 2 they resume what is it another 5 games?? play mid week and Saturdays and extend the league finish date ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raingod 43 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 I'm very surprised about the way we voted - leagues below us are re-starting .. and leagues above us are now letting fans in .. and I have felt safe at the games we have staged this season .. If our league is suspended I fear we could lose a lot more players in a similar way to Ryan and Lyle - they want to play at the end of the day - and who says the league wont delay again in Jan - most people expect a 3rd wave after the 5 day Xmas relax anyway ... The board do a fantastic job for the club - and we do appoint them to act in our best interests and I would not say anything negative about them .. however I do feel on this occasion a simple email could have been sent out to canvas feedback of members - with a response required in 12 hours to aid their judgement. I would be surprised if anyone would vote to stop - if people are not comfortable they can choose not to go - ? Lots of people are struggling mentally in lockdown, football is an important release for many of us - I dont play to go to a gig any time soon - but cant wait to get to games again .. I say play on, get points on the board, we've swerved the MOnth of Death in November where we had tough fixtures - and if the season doesnt finish we may do better on PPG than others and get into the play offs ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rebel without a clue 5 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 London dodged the bullet by being placed in tier 2 what happens on the 16th if it’s placed in tier 3 how would you then feel then about football resuming and enfield being asked to play behind closed doors when other teams could have supporters returning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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