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Kinnock - what a total sh*t!

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<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/flame.gif" alt="" /> Good ole Neil the pillock,as a final act of vengeance has sacked, without pay, Marta Andreasen the EU Commission's Financial Controller and ace whistle blower as he leaves office as an EU Commissioner, with his and Glynis's fat cat futures secured with massive unearned pensions.

 

Should we worry? You bet! Marta revealed huge potential for fraud and exposed at least €130million of money that went missing, and the auditors said she was right. Yet when she tried to do something about it she was suspended. The guys she pointed the finger at are still on full salary and in office.

 

Why am I incensed about another EU Bureaucrat? Because for a number of years I worked with Marta, and whilst she could be a bit of an abrasive lady who did not suffer fools like Kinnock gladly, she is one of those people who are uncompromisingly honest and would not let go if she thought something was wrong. Just the sort of person I was delighted to see keeping an eye on the cash we have all had to contribute.

 

Apparently the European Parliament are hopping mad and trying to get her a job in the Audit commission. In the meantime watch out, there is a pillock loose and looking for his next lucrative enterprise. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/flame.gif" alt="" />

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There can be very few "working"people who have made a lesser contribution to the country than windbag Kinnock

And yet he has become a very wealthy man on the monies he and his wife have made from the EU and if you add the pension from the EU to the PM and MP pension he takes from us directly he will actually continue to get richer in retirement, glynis of course is also due two very substantial pensions

It took a long time but I finnaly understand how being a socialist pays massive personal dividends for little or no contribution to the betterment of society

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I thought Whistle Blowing was now allowed ???

 

Sounds like Marta has a good case for The European Court of Human Rights !

 

Now you know why I get slated for being anti European-Union.

 

Any shred of trust I had with the Union dissolved after the appointment of that greasy pooof, Peter M. as a Commisioner !

 

Lets be honest - The Union is all gravy-train; Jobs for the 'boys'; Bungs; Back-Handers, and to be honest, the most corrupt 'political' organisation in the world !

 

Come to think of it, Pooofter Peter is in JUST the right place to earn enough to pay off ALL his dodgy mortgages !

 

Stuff Europe and stick with The States !!

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He wouldn't have had to come back if the yanks hadn't gone blundering in there in the first place.

The situation bears no comparison with Europe in the late 1930's.


Tell that to the hundreds of Kurd families that have just found their relatives in mass graves.........Saddam------Hitler!!!!!!....not much difference that i can see!

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'Er Indoors has been chatting to one of her MS mates in Florida on Messenger over this weekend.

 

General concensus of opinion over there, is that Kerry hasn't got a chance ! Too ineffectual. No firm policies on taxation and 'home' government', PLUS the fact that Bush isn't frightened to stand by his convictions, (NOT criminal, I hasten to add).

 

Another thing they all seem to admire, is that Great Britain stood by them, rather than do the usual European trick of appeasement, or even worse, bury their head in he sand and pretend that nothing was happening and it was 'all-right to murder the ethnic minority in a country' !

 

Bush is compared in many ways, to our late great Sir Winston Churchill !

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Can't agree, with you two on this.

 

Bush is scum. He is worse than any mad dictator, the bloke wishes to rule the world, kill innocent people.

 

In Afghanastan remember reading a Wedding having a bomb being dropped on them.

 

Ok I know there reasons for going in to these countries, but they are just as much MURDERERS as the people they are trying to kill. They have killed innocent people. Someone who kills innocent people is a Murderer.

 

Two wrongs dont make a right. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

 

I will continue to debate this issue with you until it becomes a personal slagging match, (I am not saying you two would do this, but some do)which so often happens on these forums. We are all entitled to our own opinions.

 

I hate Bush and Blair they took the Uk to war on lies, they deserve to die. I consier them both scum of the earth. In my opinion.

 

"ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE"

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Don't believe in retaliation.

 

And against innocent people. If you get the guilty people fine, but they don't they kill anyone who happens to live in these countries.

 

It's like me or you shooting and killing Mr.A or Mr.B because Mr.C shot a relative of ours, if you get the right people I have no problem with it, it is the innocent Murders i can not understand.

 

Hitting back at Evil with Evil is no better.

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Hmm, a tad harsh, perhaps. Removal from office would suffice, surely?

 

So the US, with us tagging along, is the world's policeman now.

 

Who guards the guardians, one wonders?

 

I seem to recall the reason for invading Iraq being given as violation of the UN thing about WMDs, not genocide. This smacks of finding a reason AFTER the event. It is also more than a little suspect that TV crews were invited to trample about all the mass burial site (in the run up to an election). In fact as any SOCO or forensic archaeologist will tell you the site should have been cordoned off until the evidence was properly examined, recorded and removed in an appropriate manner. Any evidence for a possible trial has now been lost.

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Who are the innocent people you keep going on about......The wedding party???..a few people, when thousands were slaughtered.......maybe your priorities need adjusting.


Going from memory, I think it was 100.

But the numbers is not important, it is someone's life, with people who love them. Murder is Murder, how ever you dress it up.

Bush, Dr Harold Shipman, Blair - Whats the difference?

There aim is to kill?

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Mark asks:- [color:"blue"] "Bush, Dr Harold Shipman, Blair - Whats the difference?"

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Simple answer is, that although I don't agree with all Blair and Bush's policies, they are attemting to find world peace, NOT world domination as you suggest. By your definition Mark, Adolph Hitler was quite justified in his 'final solution'. In fact, we sat back on that one, because we knew about the extermination camps LONG before we did anything about it.

 

Harold Shipman killed purely for pleasure. (probably in excess of 200). He had to feel he was in some sort of control. At least he did the decent thing in dying !

 

Pleased this hasn't turned into a 'slanging match', because although I don't share in your beliefs, Mark, I will defend your right to freedom of speech until my dying day. Something incidently, that never existed under Saddam !

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Simple truth: Bush and Blair invaded Iraq on an entirely different pretext than the one they are claiming now. War was illegal and not even morally justifiable.

 

Ulterior motive: To export "democracy" [laughable] and to install a regime which is compliant to the West. esp in relation to the Black Gold.

 

Irony: If treated the right way Saddam was more likely to be a friend of the West than an enemy. Iraq was not an Islamic State...but "free elections" (when they eventually occur) could make that more likely.

 

Genocide: What are Bush and Blair doing to prevent the genocide being committed in Africa? Nothing. Why? There's nothing of equitable economic worth in Northern Somalia, and geo-politically the region is considered a "backwater".

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All getting carried away here chaps, we went to war as invaders on a deliberate lie

But lets be a little bit logical if the country concerned had no oil (Iraq 2nd biggest oil field in the world) or had been big enough to handle itself (N-Korea-China-Sudan-Zimbabwe etc etc) be 100% assured we would not have gone in

We failed to supply the right men (under trained) or the right equipment and it was only due to the training of the British troops that we came through as well as we did

Bliar thought there was an Argie type Maggie glory to be had and we are now faced with a regular drip drip of our troops being killed in both un-managable countries I.E. Afganistan and Iraq.

Saddam a vile evil piece of sh-one-t but who is next?? if we take the moral high ground

The UN is one useless talk shop but in the long term the armies of the rich through the coordinated services of a single body such as the UN is the only way, I should live so long

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Agree with you Mala, Pabird.

 

RE: War was because of Oil.

Plus retaliation for 11/9. (Sad event, but retaliation is just as bad)

 

I was thinking the world is like a schoolyard.

 

USA are the School Bully, you play by my rules, I own the playground. If you don't I will beat you up. The Usa is a bit of coward he only picks on the weak, set him up with a lad like the Chinese lad and he would cr@p himself. Usa is the worst kind of school bully.

 

Uk are the Sheep, who follow the bully as they are scared the bully will turn on him and give him a right kick in. Plus the Bully keeps saying to the sheep I backed you up, you MUST back me up.

 

Iraq and Afghanastan, have to be beaten up by the bullies. The bully tells lies to get the neutral kids on the block to back them, but the neutrals are very clever.

 

Holland, France, Germany, Belgium, these are the neutrals they are very clever they can speak 5 languages they don't believe the lies of the bully and know they want the riches from the Iraq kids and don't want to be a part of it.

 

Like all School bullys, once they leave School and meet up with the people they have tormented. Justice will be done.

 

Morale, don't bully.

 

"GIVE PEACE A CHANCE"

 

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Mark I do have political views but on this occassion my thinking was simply along the logical process as to why decisions had been made

I am not an American hater nor am I a peacenik its just that the Iraq scenario was a tissue of lies and a huge gamble with the lives of our fighting forces from word go

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