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Big J R

St Paddy's Day

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With the rapidly approaching 'St. Patrick's Day', I thought I'd just drop this very hot potato into the saloon bar !

 

Messrs. Adams and McGuinness have ordered the McCartney sisters to 'Stay out of politics !' after their brothers murder.

 

The Yanks, (quite rightly, in my view), have virtually told the gruesome-twosome to 'F-Off' out of the States.

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What gives Adams and McGuiness the right to tell people what to do or say?

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What gives Adams and McGuiness the right to tell people what to do or say?



Three simple letters..........I.R.A!
When a Kennedy refuses to meet somebody from IRAland, maybe the Americans will wake up to what these people represent!..........I live in Hope(but won't hold my breath!)

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Well.....if they will go around declaring "war on terrorism" then there really is no excuse for the Yanks to entertain those f*ckers.

btw, don't believe for a minute that those fellas have washed their hands of IRA activities.

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The point I was hoping you would all jump on, is that to tell someone to 'Stay out of politics !' is a contradiction in terms.

 

How the he11 do these politicians get to Westminster, but by being VOTED into power by the electorate.

 

OK - I know they don't bother to turn up, [color:"red"] but I bet they claim their full M.P.'s expenses ! [color:"black"]

 

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Well in my humble view they'e not politicians, they're gangsters.

 

Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for the Irish Republican view, and further, to generalise outrageously, I always find Irish people, north and south, to be a great bunch. But their struggles, to coin a phrase, should be pursued through the ballot box (ok it's loaded with the bizarre British division of theor country) and by means of legitimate persuasion. I cannot sympathise with the twisted psychos who leave bombs lying around and shoot fathers in front of their families, or inded with the mealy mouthed thugs that purport to be their "political wing".

 

So there.

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Well in my humble view they'e not politicians, they're gangsters.

Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for the Irish Republican view, and further, to generalise outrageously, I always find Irish people, north and south, to be a great bunch. But their struggles, to coin a phrase, should be pursued through the ballot box (ok it's loaded with the bizarre British division of theor country) and by means of legitimate persuasion. I cannot sympathise with the twisted psychos who leave bombs lying around and shoot fathers in front of their families, or inded with the mealy mouthed thugs that purport to be their "political wing".

So there.


I would so like to respond to this.

but to avoid slagging off from certain people I will keep council.

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As usual, Invis, you're [color:"red"] spot on !! [color:"black"]

 

What a lovely day - I may have to pop out this evening and lend my support to the Shamrock Brigade, (alcoholically speaking, that is !!) <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" />

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The Yanks, (quite rightly, in my view), have virtually told the gruesome-twosome to 'F-Off' out of the States.


Too little too late from the Yanks. Hypocritical bastards.

Albeit I back a united Ireland but there are ways and means.

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You don't need to tell me how many Irish fleed to America. But the American Government helped fund (by providing credibility) terrorist activities in "support" of the cause for many years whilst bombs were going off in Ireland, London, Warrington etc. It is only now that the Americans have been touched by terrorism and that they want the world to support them that they have told former terrorists to get stuffed.

 

I seem to remember they were not particularly interested in the Second World until Pearl Harbour. History repeating itself and all that.

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The bit on the war was slightly tongue in cheek.

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It is only now that the Americans have been touched by terrorism and that they want the world to support them that they have told former terrorists to get stuffed.


Couldn't put it better, I agree with only this statement on this thread. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Not wishing to join the Mark-bashing fraternity on the forum, does that mean that you support the IRA and its methods? More than one of us here have stated that we support a united Ireland in principle but cannot condone the nasty brand of terrorism and sectarian violence (racism in any other country) as practised by the IRA. Nor would I condone unnecessary acts of violence by a British soldier and sure, some measures by the British have been at been at best clumsy, at worst brutal and unjustified. I do find it ironic when IRA thugs claim to be "soldiers" fighting a "war" then squeal that their rights have been infringed when they get shot (I'm thinking Gibraltar here).

 

Life is complicated and the world is seldom black and white, goodies and baddies.

 

Anyway I'm off to Spain for a week in an hour or so....... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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You have to remember how many Irish fled to the States to escape British Rule.........


I thought it was because their tatty crop failed ?? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/whistling.gif" alt="" />

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Sobered up yet, BJR?

How's the head? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


Only had a couple, Invis !

I'm ENGLISH not Irish.

Who read about the pub that has been refused an extension for St George's day, yet the Paddy pub round the corner was granted one for Paddy's day by the same court.
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Surely, that's racial discrimination ??? [color:"black"]

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I agree about the war, but they were providing aid well before Pearl Harbour which without, Britain would have probably folded.


aid? or loans.. you can always trust the yanks to make a few bob out of a war.. ;-).. the aid came after the war (the marshall plan i think?) where we, contrary to popular belief' got more than the krauts.. they had the trains running in a week , we had a bus drivers strike in london.. come on england!!

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Aid was sent during the war, in the form of ships(well past their sell by dates)and other munitions, which Britain was short of. The Lend Lease plan which allowed America Bases in Britain was part of the deal.


[color:"blue"] and at that point, introduced us to chewing-gum, nylon stockings, instant coffee and anti-social diseases of the itchy kind !

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The lend-lease plan did not consist of the donation of ships and other equipment, but the loan of it. They wanted it back again. Plus of course, a tidy pile of our gold reserves and the dismantling of the British Empire, which may be laudable in intent but its hasty and badly thought out process could be argued to have led to many of the problems in Africa and other areas that formerly benefited from our wise and benevolent rule (I am picturing Keneth Williams and Sid James here....)

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