Iron in trouble

[Ozbrit]

hmmm! Thats a thought, for the monster raving looney party? I hear they've been looking for a leader for some time now.

[Iron Webbo]

Please excuse my ignorance, but Is there not a Billericay Council then? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wavey.gif" alt="" />

[Ryan.c]

Billericay District Council handed over power to Basildon District Council in the 50's when Basildon New Town was being built (I think). There is a Billericay Town council but its role in life extends to funding skateboard parks and erecting bus stops!

[Tom_smalleyBTFC]

yeah and what i mighty success Billericay skateboard park has been :S :S :S Is anyone due to return from injury before tuesdays game?

[AFF]

Talking of the re-development of Cressing Road, I recall that Buzz Lightyear said on the Braintree Forum that, having obtained planning permission for residential development, the [second] planning application relating to the relocation of the pitch etc, was to be submitted in November [2005, presumably].

 

How does it look, Gazza?

[GazzaBTFC]

Dunno... I'll have a look in the new year when we get there.

[Uncle Urchin]

having perused said application it struck me that another one was required to move the pitch...now then...I am not an artisan at all...just a simple salesman....but if a planning application receives outline permission for one part and the other required part of the old chocolate box jigsaw is not submitted...

 

it obviously doesn't fit...

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[AFF]

Hello, hello, hello.

 

No planning application yet made to move the pitch, Uncle? Are you quite sure? That's a little odd, wouldn't you think?

 

Did you say that you have seen the Planning Permission for residential re-development? I don't know about salesmen or artisans, Uncle, but let me try to assist.

 

It is usually the case that when a Local Authority grants Planning Consent which permits one thing which is of relatively low value, as well as second thing of relatively high value, the second thing known as "enabling development" [quite simply to permit the creation of funds to finance the lower value element], the Council add a condition to the effect that the low value element must be completed before work starts on the high value bit.

 

You will have rarely come across unscrupulous persons, Uncle, but you will recognise that such a condition is designed to prevent a get-rich-quick, ne'er-do-well, slimeball taking the dough from the planning gain by selling the high value bit and bUggering off overlooking the minor detail of constructing the low value element. Needless to say, that couldn't possibly be in anyone's contemplation relative to the case at hand.

 

However. Back to the Iron's consent for residential development on part of their ground. Did you notice whether the Permission included a condition that the pitch must be moved and works completed to the stadium before the residential development commences?

[Andy g]

Seasons greetings Unc and AFF.

As i've said on previous occasions i consider it a great honour that you take so much interest in our little club as we strive towards bigger and better things, but do you not think your time would be better devoted to your respective clubs.

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[AFF]

Hi Andy G.

 

Speak to anyone you like at The Mighty Saints. There can be absolutely no doubt that, had the ground been owned by the company that is St Albans City FC at the time that your fat friend encountered, what we could call 'a little local difficulty' [if suspension from the League, the failure of three Company Voluntary Arrangemnets and an application for a Winding-up Order in the High Court could be called 'a little local difficulty'], then Clarence Park would now be a block of flats and we would be ground-sharing with The Woood.

 

I've previously suggested that you should be afraid, Andy. Very afraid.

 

Fear not. It's probably too late, old chap.

[GazzaBTFC]

Quote:

Andy g said:
Seasons greetings Unc and AFF.
As i've said on previous occasions i consider it a great honour that you take so much interest in our little club as we strive towards bigger and better things, but do you not think your time would be better devoted to your respective clubs.
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Andy, the planning application is out there and open for as much discussion as our planned move to Basildon was...

If you look lower and higher than your lofty Ryman position you will indeed see that AFC Hornchurch (note no announcer slip up there) and St. Albans are doing very well in their respective leagues.

[AFF]

It's City, Gazza. And as far as our League position is concerned, we aren't mathematically safe, but I'm increasingly optimistic that we will avoid relegation this season.

 

This redevelopment of Cressing Road is a rum do, Gazza. A very rum do.

 

I know you keep your eye on various message boards, but watch out for Buzz Lightyear speaking out for another club in the vicinity, uncharacteristically. That will be a useful guide for the Iron's likely ground share. He's a laughing stock in Non League football but someone will take the rent, no doubt.

[AFF]

Hi Andy G.

 

I've just spent a fascinating 20 minutes or so on the Braintree District Council web-site, and I found the Officers Report to the Planning Committee at which Planning Permission was granted for the erection of 40 flats at Cressing Road. The report states that the footprint of the land stands on part of the pitch and part of the clubhouse.

 

I ran out of time but if the Officer's recommendation was accepted, Outline Planning Permission was granted. 'Outline' means that it's subject to a lot of detail concerning design etc. which will need to considered in due course before the development can commence.

 

Now here's the bit that should be of concern, Andy.

 

The report states: "...(although) no information is submitted with the application, it is understood that this proposal is linked to the football club's aspirations to develop the whole site....".

 

Strange that. No conditions were recommended that the football club and its facilities should be protected, or relocated at the existing site to permit the proposed residential redevelopment. No details of the moving of the pitch and construction of the clubhouse were given to the Committee. Nothing. The Officer simply stated an understanding that these things will follow. I hope that he or she didn't misunderstand the future intentions of the applicant.

 

Hmmnnnn. Is there a bus service from Braintree to Chelmsford on Saturdays, Andy?

[GazzaBTFC]

You don't think that something is going on that is not in the best interests of the Iron, surely AFF?

[AFF]

Hi Gazza.

 

It’s a strange one. Let’s look at what we do know.

 

Outline Planning Permission has been granted for the development of 40 flats on part of the land at Cressing Road. The development will require the demolition of the existing clubhouse and the building on part of the existing pitch. Fatboy stated on these forums in September that a second planning application to move the pitch and to build a new clubhouse would be submitted in November. It is fair to assume that he meant November 2005 and it hasn’t gone in yet. Why not?

 

The architects wont have simply designed a block of 40 flats. They will have drawings of the complete scheme, including the relocation of the pitch and the new clubhouse. Details may need to be refined, but they will certainly know what it’s going to look like in outline.

 

Fatboy stated on here that he has been to the Conference and the Ryman Leagues and obtained their approval to play on a three-sided pitch for a period. I assume he means a full pitch but with stands and terracing on three sides only, pending completion of the development. There will be drawings in existence.

 

Go back to the planning application, Gazza. The development on any football ground is a sensitive matter to fans and the Council and the local population. I have no idea of the value of the consent for 40 flats in North Essex but it’s probably in the range of £1.3-1.5 million. No small potatoes in these parts, Gazza. [Yes ,Gazza. Multiply that by 4 or 5 and that’s what the whole of it might be worth for redevelopment for residential as whole.]

 

Now I don’t know anything about anything, but if it had been me, I would have been concerned to provide the Local Authority with everything they could possibly need to give favourable consideration to the application. I would have been concerned that they might require re-asssurance that my plans did not involve the construction of flats over the whole site and the re-location of the Club some/anywhere else. I would have given them at least a sketch of the completed scheme ‘for information purposes only’. But no.

 

As it turned out, the application was successful without any information regarding the re-location of the pitch and the construction of the new clubhouse. So what do I know about anything?

 

As far as the "best interests of the Iron" are concerned, it would be good to know that the future of the club is in safe hands, Gazza.

[Ozbrit]

As if Gazza would give a monkeys!

[GazzaBTFC]

Oh I do, I do...

[Uncle Urchin]

I think we all agree that the future of all non league clubs is a matter of interest...as we shall recall the affairs of many clubs..including our own...ricay..chelmo....st albans...muff...etc etc.....have all been the subject of much debate on these forums and rightly so as well...

 

I sincerely hope that the Iron get their money from the carpark redevelopment and improve cressing road with the money...who would argue against that...bloody good luck to them...

[The Town Crier]

 

 

Evening Unc

[Dilbert]

Gone a bit quite from the Braintree lot !!!