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feelings on what is happening in the Middle East

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I suspect Zody, you'll get two points of view:

 

1) Israel are well within their rights to defend themselves against terrorist aggression and are perfectly entitled to react the way they are against Lebanon.

 

2) Israel is an aggressor and the bombing of a defenceless country is an overreaction and a typical act by a state who makes a habit of this sort of behaviour.

 

There was a debate on BBC Online. Almost without fail, every post was firmly within one of these two camps. My own belief, it's a mixture of both. Israel is aggressive, sometimes out of necessity because of the position it finds itself in, sometimes it goes too far and isn't interested in mediation.

 

The Lebanon situation needs UN intervention and should not be left to either Israeli military policy or Hezbollah terrorism/military action, call it what you will, to dictate.

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Thanks Stu.

 

I couldn't have put it better myself. They are both as bad as each other.

 

Interesting that Lebanon now seem to have some very effective weapons and the finger is being pointed at Iran, which is rather worrying.

 

Newsflash on BBC News at One is that it seems possible that the Lebanon have shot down an Israeli F.16 fighter jet !

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My sympathies are for Israel. They have always been persecuted from when time began, Arabs,Turks ,Romans,Nazi's , Arab terrorists .There just never seems to be a break from trouble. They have a right to be paranoid about their own safety .At least they're not afraid to kick arss when threatened. Good luck to them for making a stand , sooner or later they'll get around to Iran And syria known terrorist sympathisers .

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My sympathies are for Israel. They have always been persecuted from when time began, Arabs,Turks ,Romans,Nazi's , Arab terrorists .There just never seems to be a break from trouble. They have a right to be paranoid about their own safety .At least they're not afraid to kick arss when threatened. Good luck to them for making a stand , sooner or later they'll get around to Iran And syria known terrorist sympathisers .


Think you will find Syrian footprints on most of the funding and equiping stuff.

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My sympathies are for Israel. They have always been persecuted from when time began, Arabs,Turks ,Romans,Nazi's , Arab terrorists .There just never seems to be a break from trouble. They have a right to be paranoid about their own safety .At least they're not afraid to kick arss when threatened. Good luck to them for making a stand , sooner or later they'll get around to Iran And syria known terrorist sympathisers .
you'll have you know who after you Mr B...........Clue <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/ufo.gif" alt="" />

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Good luck to them for making a stand


Does that include shelling UN observers 14 times when asked to stop on four occasions?

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but there again why do we and the amercians intervere, are they the winners or want to be the winners <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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No single incident or flare-up can be viewed in isolation but must be seen in its historical context. Maybe it what a daft idea for the "west" to invent a country in 1948 (or was it 47?) which was bound to upset the previous incumbents who understandably want it back. Of course the Israelis who fought for it following WW2 (using "terrorist" tactics) will claim that it was Israel long before it was Palestine. And how the hell do they get into Eurovision anyway?

 

All nonsense of course, but leading to the tragedy that is the Middle East today.

 

It would probably help if the USA butted out.

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but there again why do we and the amercians intervere, are they the winners or want to be the winners <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />



It suits us to get the Israelis do some of the dirty work, and if we're really fortunate, we get to have a pop at Syria and Iran as well.

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No single incident or flare-up can be viewed in isolation but must be seen in its historical context. Maybe it what a daft idea for the "west" to invent a country in 1948 (or was it 47?) which was bound to upset the previous incumbents who understandably want it back. Of course the Israelis who fought for it following WW2 (using "terrorist" tactics) will claim that it was Israel long before it was Palestine. And how the hell do they get into Eurovision anyway?

All nonsense of course, but leading to the tragedy that is the Middle East today.

It would probably help if the USA butted out.


Maybe Britain shouldn't have sided with Poland, then we wouldn't have been involved in the second world war. Before the cries of: "That was different, Poland was invaded". The only differences are, this is not expansionism, this is Genocide, and now you don't have to invade, you just sit hundreds of miles away and launch rockets at the country.
Should America side with the Arabs then? You seem to have a short memory, it wasn't the Israelies that flew planes into American buildings, nor set off bombs on London buses or trains.

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Lebanon are launching rockets into Israel, or don't you accept that?


I don't, no. Lebanon aren't hurling rockets into Israel. Hezbollah are. Now while part of Hezbollah has some influence in Lebanese politics, the rocket attacks are not an action of the Lebanese government.

That's like saying we should have carpet-bombed Dublin because of the IRA.

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If you allow terrorist activities to take place in your country you shoud face the consequences.



Even if the consequences are as severe as the destruction of your infrastructure and the death of hundreds and likely to be thousands of civilians?

I've no problem with people supporting the Israeli stance, AFF, but just because you think they have a right to stamp out terrorism, are they right to DO IT ON THE SCALE they are doing it and with the seeming lack of care they're going about it?

The trouble with this issue is people seem only prepared to take one side and stick to it, blindly supporting Israel's situation (which is fine) and so turning a blind eye to their way of going about it which is to unleash, in my opinion, an unnecessarily lethal response.

PS. And as Invisible Man said above, the State of Israel was created with the help of Zionist terrorism which targeted, amongst others, British soldiers in the late 1940s. Short memories, some people.

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Stu is perfectly correct, and his anaolgy with bombing Dublin is appropriate. In such an event it would have appropriate to send troops into another country (Ireland) to attempt to deal with the individuals or organization (IRA) concerned if the Irish government was unable or unwilling to intervene. It would not have been appropriate to bomb or shell Irish towns or civilian targets.

 

As Israel well knows, the Lebanese government is very weak and is hardly in a position to do anything about the activities of Hezbollah. What bombing and shelling of Lebanese civilian targets is supposed to achieve is beyond me - except of course hardening the attitudes of moderate Lebanese citizens.

 

However, this is all a digression from my original main point that no incident can really be seen in isolation (again, some superficial similarities to Ireland) as it all goes back to the original foundation of Israel - and indeed further back.

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