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Little Miss Urchin

July 1st 2007

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you live/have lived a blinkered life. but that is your choice.


So why would believing that people have been forced to start smoking be the right thing? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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You said that smoking was not a choice not me, so make your mind up.

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chilled out entertainer said: family restaurant pubs (which if we r being honest are where poor people take their family for a "slap up meal")



Or where new fathers go with a kid when they haven't been in the pub for ages and are f***ing dying for a pint!

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I'm still trying to give up I was a 40 a dayer but now down to 20 or less . It was a bad choice as a teenager that hooked me . Always regretted it . <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rasta.gif" alt="" />

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well, I worry about someone if their life is ruled by something which has been proven to shorten lives.

what a stupid comment, it is an addiction for many people. its not simply something to do!


How is this a stupid comment? As has been mentioned earlier, it is entirely up to the individual whether they start smoking or not. Like all addictions, if you really wanted to give it up you would. It appears to me that there are some people in this world who are too stubborn/selfish/stupid to kick a habit with possibly fatal consequences. I guess they have nobody in their life worth living for.

Is this genuinely the view of this 'Entertainer' chap or is he simply trying to be contentious?

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It appears to me that there are some people in this world who are too stubborn/selfish/stupid to kick a habit with possibly fatal consequences. I guess they have nobody in their life worth living for.


That is unfair to say unless you have personally tried giving up and seeing first hand how hard it is. It has nothing to do with being selfish or stupid.

To say that smokers who don't give up have no one in their life worth living for is very unfair. It is a proven fact that cigarettes are harder to give up than heroin or any other drug.

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There are very few people I know who smoke. I want to enjoy life and be with my friends and loved ones for as long as I can. I cannot comprehend why someone who has a good life with another could throw it away for a little white stick which gives them a brief 'kick'. Why can love not be enough?

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There are very few people I know who smoke. I want to enjoy life and be with my friends and loved ones for as long as I can. I cannot comprehend why someone who has a good life with another could throw it away for a little white stick which gives them a brief 'kick'. Why can love not be enough?


So you do not drink either?

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Smoking doesn't give a brief 'kick'. I think you may have tobacco confused with another herb that people smoke.

 

If you live in an industrialized area, the air you breathe is far worse for you than cigarette smoke. Cars, busses, big trucks, factories, etc, all combined put out far more pollutants and harmful fumes than one stops to think about.

 

I don't know about everyone, but I am sure most start smoking long before love comes into the picture. Before even meeting the 'one', smoking is already a part of life.

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Drinking can affect the lives of others if you happen to get behind the wheel of a car, or make other judgement errors while drinking.

 

Yes, when you love someone, you want to do all you can to be with that person for as long as you can. However, even if you quit smoking, you could still die early from any number of causes. I know people who never smoked, and were rarely, if ever, around cigarette smoke and still died of lung cancer or a heart attack.

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Yes I drink but how does my drinking risk the lives of others?

As for love; surely meeting someone special would make you, or at least encourage you to do what it takes to spend as many years together as possible.


I am a smoker and i am not against the ban,but drinking can cause as much damage in different ways.
I do not smoke in doors and have never smoked where people are eating.If i have had a nice meal i will pop outside to have my ciggie.
However i drink as much in a year as some may drink in a 'good' night.I have been drunk twice in my life,and that was by accident.However today people go out to get drunk.
Drinking can seriously effect the family life through domestic abuse and can be a killer to the individual through self abuse and death from drink driving.The problems related to liver damage are rising greater than smoking related disease.
Smoking is not good for you but neither is alcohol.

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Yes I drink but how does my drinking risk the lives of others? [color:"black"]


As for love; surely meeting someone special would make you, or at least encourage you to do what it takes to spend as many years together as possible.


You've obviously never seen any of the police videos of Chavettes turning out of clubs in places like Sarfend at 3 in the morning after downing 10 large vodka's and Red Bulls, and half a dozen breezers.

Not only a danger to themselves, but a danger to anybody within 100 yards !

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Is that a Vauxhall Chavette? (Most of the youngsters on here won't remember the Chevette.... instantly forgettable it's true).

 

Minor point, but not everyone who has a drink (maybe even two) drives while still under the influence. It's not actually compulsory, you see. You are allowed to walk home, get a bus, train, tube or cab.

 

It is not even compulsory to sing, roar, shout, start fights, wear traffic cones as hats, tell your best friend you love them, buy a kebab or solve all major questions of philosophy, politics, religion and football. (I usually do, but I'm bug gered if I can remember the answer in the morning).

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Read Allen Carr's book and all smkoers will see the illusion that smoking is. I was hooked for 15 years and now I am free.

 

It's all bowlocks and argument a smoker comes up with and the book proves that. the rest is easy when you know the secret.

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read the book,gave up for a couple of weeks then started again,will have to read it again though as within those 2 weeks i didn't actually have cravings but was silly enough to get smashed when hornchurch won the league and have a few fags that night!

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