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Having read through this thread and all the 'backbiting' I imagine you can all see why we let Chelmsford City beat us in the first round!!!!

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Vic, was that question directed at me? If so could you be more exact about which bits you don't understand and I'll do my best to explain things to you!

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Vic, the great thing about free speech is that everyone is entitled to their say. Even when they are talking utter boolocks - just like John Crawshaw above.<p>I have read stuff that makes less sense than this, but honestly can't remember when.<p>Merv CIFC

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Am I a junior member? I had not realised, still I'll try not to lose too much sleep over it! I have obviously touched a raw nerve here I didn't realise some of these ****** Isl....er I mean Canvey Islanders were so touchy about their rip off prices. Yes I am indeed from Kent whether or not I am from Gravesend is irrelevant so don't try using that as a smokescreen! Personally I couldn't give a xxxx how much they charge I won't be going there again I just feel sorry for any unsuspecting away fans that do! Earlier this season I spoke to some Grays Athletic fans and their opinions were similar to mine, strange that!

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Yep, there is some confusion here. I suspect you have been called a Junior member because your arguments read like those of an eight year old. If you are older than that, well, that speaks volumes in itself.<p>You ask in your original posting, "Why should the fans of visiting teams be ripped off?" Did you not realise, Canvey are the visiting team on this occasion. Remember the game is in Burnley and we live on Canvey. That makes US the visiting team. Read some of the Canvey postings - we don't feel we are being ripped off.<p>Your research into the situation should have revealed that Burnley admission prices are normally higher than the £14 being charged for this cup-tie. This means that even the home supporters are getting in at a reduced price. Makes your 'rip-off conspiracy' theory just a tad thin, wouldn't you agree?<p>More research (you do research these topics, don't you? You don't just pontificate without having done some homework, I'm sure) would reveal that the various leagues do impose both minimum and maximum admission charges, but £14 for a 3rd Round FA Cup game involving a 1st Division club at home is well within both boundaries. If anything, it's towards the bottom end of the scale.<p>Back to your original posting. I'm not quite sure how setting an admission charge of £14 (or even £24 come to that) would gain an unfair advantage for a team. You'll need to explain that in far more detail than you've gone into so far to help me with that one. You might also go on to explain why some clubs letting kids in for free has got anything to do with this subject.<p>Your final sentence is the most confusing and illogical of all. Canvey haven't 'got away' with anything. The FA mediated on the admission price discussion, but even without their intervention I'm still lost by your logic. Other clubs will negotiate admission prices that are higher than bargain basement levels, indeed, they always have. Is this really the end of non-league football as we know it? I think not.<p>Your latest posting doesn't get any clearer. You mention, "I won't be going there again..." Where? Burnley? We've never played there before so you've lost me.<p>You spoke to some Grays' fans and they too had disparaging things to say about their local rivals, Canvey Island. Well, that's a surprise - NOT. Dig a bit deeper and you'll find many fans at Grays, Purfleet, Billericay, Braintree and Heybridge who will join with a discussion that puts Canvey into anything less than a favourable light. Bit like finding a Spurs fans who dislikes Chelsea or a Man U fan who thinks City are rubbish. You're not basing anything on that are you?<p>You do get near a sensible comment (eventually) when you mention that being a Kentish man you couldn't really care less about what happens to Canvey Island. I might ask why you stick your snout in to a discussion that has nothing to do with you in the first place if that's how you think. I reckon that, like a lot of others, you saw a chance to put the boot in on the team that is very successful and attracting lots of media attention - Canvey Island. Don't know whether that's jealousy or what but, should you respond to anything else on this thread, please try to make your argument reasoned and sound. That way you might be mistaken for a grown up.<p>[ 23 December 2001: This message was edited by: Frenchy ]</p>

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by John Crawshaw:

<strong>If Canvey fans don't mind being fleeced to watch better players etc. thats up to them but why should fans of the visiting club be ripped off? On this basis other clubs should charge visiting Canvey fans extra, how do they feel about that? I think the Ryman, and every other league, should set a maximum price at the start of each season to stop any team gaining an unfair advantage by ripping off spectators, many other clubs allow kids in for free. If Canvey are allowed to get away with this sort of thing, others may follow thus destroying the whole spirit of non-league!</strong><hr></blockquote><p>John - I don,t think Canvey Supporters feel they are being fleeced to watch - as above 'BETTER PLAYERS', that surely is a miss statement! isn't that why people pay more money to watch premiership football (BETTER PLAYERS).

I do believe that the League sets a Min/Max for league games, unless there are rules governing charging the maximum then a club has a right to charge the maximum if it wishes, it is then the clubs choice home or away.

What is Canvey being allowed to get away with?

There are always more than one way of looking at things and as Merv said freedom of speech also gives way to freedom of choice, I could always go down the road and watch Concord Rangers for a lot less money but I wont be watching the same standard of football or success and excitement that has come our way, I think it is called 'The price of success'.

'The Yellow Army' are Canvey Island FC 'supporters' as the word implies.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by vic:

<strong><p>John - I don,t think Canvey Supporters feel they are being fleeced to watch - as above 'BETTER PLAYERS', that surely is a miss statement! isn't that why people pay more money to watch premiership football (BETTER PLAYERS).

I do believe that the League sets a Min/Max for league games, unless there are rules governing charging the maximum then a club has a right to charge the maximum if it wishes, it is then the clubs choice home or away.

What is Canvey being allowed to get away with?

There are always more than one way of looking at things and as Merv said freedom of speech also gives way to freedom of choice, I could always go down the road and watch Concord Rangers for a lot less money but I wont be watching the same standard of football or success and excitement that has come our way, I think it is called 'The price of success'.

'The Yellow Army' are Canvey Island FC 'supporters'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Frenchy, I'm afraid you have got the wrong end of the stick, if you read what I said I was not refering to the game at Burnley, although for what its worth I do think its a disgrace that Canvey Island are spoiling the big occasion by fleecing their fans though thats by the by. What miffed me, and the Grays fans I spoke to and probably many others is that away fans visiting Park Lane (where I won't be going again, not Burnley) have to pay more to get in than at any other Ryman league ground, I mean its not exactly the San Siro is it? Of course if you home fans don't mind paying more that's up to you, just don't expect away fans to be too chuffed about the prices. I hope that explains things, most of the other postings I won't dignify with a reply.

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Poor John, being vilified, accused of being an eight year old and general abuse all round. And at Christmas too.<p>Taking the Devil's Advocate role, John might just be expressing a visitor's view when arriving at the turnstiles and being confronted by the highest admission prices in the League. The ground whilst functional and substantially improved is nothing special. The club house is cramped and difficult to get into, let alone get served a drink beforehand.<p>On the plus side there's every chance the visitor will see a quality performance from at least one quality team.<p>Canvey's crowds are not what the team deserve but I think they are what the club deserve. Be nice to people when you're doing well; you might need them if it ever goes off the boil!<p>Have a Good Christmas everyone and here's to the Conference place which might have been won last year barring unfortunate circumstances.

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Well said Mick, nice to know that somebody understands the point I was making, as for the insults its water off a ducks back to me, people normally resort to that sort of thing when they don't have anything constructive to say! Anyway a very merry christmas to one and all, yes even you Frenchy, and although it peeves me to say it, and I'm saying it for the sake of the fans rather than the club itself, GOOD LUCK AT BURNLEY!

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John, a word to the wise. When you're in a hole, stop digging.<p>Initially you tried to make a prat of yourself (quite successfully as it happens) by going on about the admission prices that Canvey have legitimately negotiated for the FA Cup game at Burnley. Now, having been given a metaphorical slap in the face you have suddenly changed your tack. What you are now bleating on about is the price of admission at Park Land and the poor standard of accommodation. Quite a different argument, wouldn't you agree?<p>I'm happy to duel with you, but let's establish what we're arguing over. Are we discussing the Burnley admission prices - in which case continue this thread, after all, that's what it was created for; or are you wanting to debate the cost of admission at Park Lane?<p>Let me know as I have stong thoughts on both (little tip - change over and discuss the Park Lane admission issue, you'll be skating on thicker ice!)<p>In the meantime, have a great Christmas and enjoy your football - whichever team you support. You'll be made very welcome at Park Lane should you decide to return but remember, to watch quality, it costs.

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Frenchy, just a final few words,as this is in danger of becoming a bit boring now. I don't accept that I've been digging myself out of a hole, made a prat of myself or had a metaphorical slap in the face, in fact I'd say that was the pot calling the kettle black!

If you go back to my first posting on this issue you'll see that I have not changed tack at all, I made the point then that Canvey were ripping fans off a couple of years ago (when I last visited the ground) and are still doing so now, so the Burnley issue and prices at Park Lane are certainly not different arguments at all. If you can let me know when the club start charging more reasonable prices, I won't hold my breath, I will consider another visit to Park Lane but on principle I will not pay over the top prices and if you choose to do so then thats up to you!

Anyway if you'll excuse me now I'm off to drink a bit of the christmas spirit, have a good one I certainly intend to!

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dont mean 2 spoil everyone's fun , but just 2 remind everyone , some bloody big games coming up ! Ricay , Aldershot , oh and Burnley. All away so Get Behind the boys ! Merry Christmas and lets hope for 6 points and a win the F.A. Cup !

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Been reading these posts with some interest and one thing comes through loud and clear. Some of you think your own club are a set of greedy b******

As for Burnley doing the same with the Phoenix League and hitting clubs below us it might be worth pointing out that in the past two weeks Burnley have actually been lobbying clubs in the First Division NOT to back the six greedy clubs behind the Phoenix League who want to resign from the Football League.

You see, not all clubs are out to rip off their fans at every opportunity.

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make your mind up??? this (link at the bottom) is from your web site dated the 18th of dec (a shade less than 2 weeks ago) seems both you and your club were happy to jump in with the big boys then...the pheonix proposal has hit some legal icebergs and it looks like it wont be going ahead for next season.. seems like your club has now changed tack somewhat dosen't it..maybe cos you could be in the premiership and you wouldnt want to share any of that money out? .. im all for clubs getting what they can for their fans and if i was a burnley fan i would be happy to see the pheonix league go ahead (as were you). but spare us all the holier than thou [****!!****], it wont wash.. we may be greedy bastards but at least we are consistently greedy bastards the last 2 paragraphs are the most interesting.. wink.gif" border="0<p>[ 30 December 2001: This message was edited by: CANV ]</p>

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