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You are obviously stupid, dense, or otherwise. My wife is American; she lives in America, was born in America, and holds an American passport. I thought I'd made that clear. I intend to be with my wife, wherever she is. Be it America, be it Chile, be it Nicaragua. Wherever my wife is, I want to be there. My wife is American, so I WILL be with her.

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The whole point Bloodlust is making is that we will be together. It doesn't matter if it is in England or in America.. or Outer Mongolia for that matter. Whether we choose to stay here in the States or go back to England, he is English and I am American. Whether he chooses to become a citizen here or I choose to become a citizen there, or we leave things as they are is beside the point.

 

When I was in England, I was welcomed with open arms by everyone I met. But I never felt the need to sing the anthem, because I am American. While he was here, he was welcomed with open arms, and there are countless people who can't wait for him to return. Again, that is no need for him to feel a need to sing the anthem of a country he was not born in. A person can love being in the country he or she chooses to live in and remain loyal to his or her home country.

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Hang on a mo... Who said I don't intend to become a citizen? I do intend to become a citizen, but there is no way I will ever sing the American anthem. I am English, and will always be English. I never said I don't intend to become a citizen.

 

I merely said that there is no damn way I will sing an anthem that doesn't belong to me.

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I was born in America, and I love America, but I don't feel a need to prove it by singing the anthem. It is what is in your heart that matters, not what you sing. He can love America and enjoy citizenship but still have loyalty to his country. His reason for coming here is ME, not the country. As stated above, we want to be together. This just happens to be where we are going to be.

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What is wrong with having dual citizenship? If we would decide to end up moving to England, that is what I would want to do. There is nothing wrong with his wanting to be loyal to the country of his birth and loving this country too.

 

Again, it would be different if the move was just to leave one country to be in another. This is about us being together.

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Dual Citizenship was never mentioned

If you take the Oath of Alegiance........You can't hold Dual Citizenship.

 

The oath of allegiance is:

 

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

 

In some cases, INS allows the oath to be taken without the clauses:

 

". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law. . ."

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Slightly flawed, don't you think? There isn't a chance in the slightest that I'm gonna turn my back on my country of birth, just because something says I should, and I seriously doubt many people would. Then there's the 'god' part of it, which is another matter.

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No i don't think it is flawed....Your reasoning is the very thing that gets people upset, using a country for your convienience. The very thought in the original thread.

If you don't believe, or intend to live up to the Oath........You shouldn't take it!

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How is he using a country for his convenience?

 

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In some cases, INS allows the oath to be taken without the clauses:

 

". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law. . ."

 

The fact they allow it to be taken out shows me they don't expect someone to fight for America. Since that is the case, then there is no problem with a person feeling loyal to his or her birth country. If it was an all or nothing situation, they would leave that part in for everyone.

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I posted that part....Who is talking about fighting........YOU.......I was talking about the allegiance part.......But you twist everything again...........

The part about fighting was optional in case people had to fight against Relatives in their old Country.............I wish you would check your facts before posting, it has nothing to do with Allegiance!

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it has nothing to do with Allegiance


It doesn't?

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"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen


Very odd, because I see that word in that very sentence!

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The part about fighting was optional in case people had to fight against Relatives in their old Country.............I wish you would check your facts before posting, it has nothing to do with Allegiance!

 

How can it not have anything to do with allegiance? Realistically, if a person swears allegiance to a new country, it means fighting for that country, with the risk of having to fight against relatives of the birth country. I am not trying to be sadistic here, I am only saying that swearing total allegiance to America would involve that risk. By taking out that clause, there isn't total allegiance.

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The part about fighting was optional in case people had to fight against Relatives in their old Country.............I wish you would check your facts before posting, it has nothing to do with Allegiance!


How can it not have anything to do with allegiance? [color:"blue"] Realistically, if a person swears allegiance to a new country, it means fighting for that country, with the risk of having to fight against relatives of the birth country. [color:"black"] I am not trying to be sadistic here, I am only saying that swearing total allegiance to America would involve that risk. By taking out that clause, there isn't total allegiance.

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I'd far sooner be a member of the NEXT State of the U.S.A. than have to join the snail-eaters, spaghetti bashers, cod nickers and money hoarders !

 

That lot add a whole new dimension to the word CORRUPTION !!

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Obviously...and Thank God they don't........The Government don't see it the same way as you!.......Oh dear i mentioned God!


Nope, the American government sees it as we need to rush in and fight the battle for every other country. I have no problem with helping others out. I think it is wonderful. But when there are millions in America who need financial help.. hell, countless thousands need a home to live in and food to eat.. but can't get the help they deserve, while America's government is pouring billions into helping other countries.. Am I the only one who sees what is wrong with that? This is WAY off the original point I was trying to make. I am only saying, as a lifelong citizen I have problems with the way the government runs. Why should my husband have to embrace that sort of insanity simply to be with me? He will always feel loyalty to England and that is fine with me.

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Due to personal feelings, I have deleted my previous post here !

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It was hardly an excuse.. I am only saying it shouldn't matter to anyone but him and me if his heart belongs to England or America. We are together because we love each other, not because of which of the two countries we choose to live in.

 

This all started because he said he wasn't going to sing the American Anthem. Does that mean those of us who were born here but don't sing it should get out?

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My point is..........If a Country is magnanimous enough to accept you, then you should do your part to support that Country, sing their anthem, which if you become a Citizen is YOUR Anthem.

A lot of the problems are caused by people who want the benefits but are not ready to do their bit.

You may not agree with your government, but you should still get behind your Country. I didn't agree with the invasion of Iraq, but i am 100% behind the troops that are fighting there!

I am married to an American woman, if we had decided to live in England i would have expected her to join in the British National Anthem and embrace British way of life!

People who don't integrate cause a lot of resentment amongst people who are born in that Country!

This has gone on long enough, lets just leave it be!

Some people think i hate then because i have different opinions than they do.........I don't hate anyone on here!

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