End of season - Meet and Beer

[Alan W (GNFC)]

Theres a percentage of any Nationality, including English, Scots, Welsh & Irish, who are freeloaders and/or criminally minded - whilst these other nationalities seem to attract the worst headlines, how much does that reflect on our attitude to fellow human beings and our willingness to see the worst in them? Why dont we simply brand all Iraqi's as terrorists, for instance - after all, we could then justify locking them all up, and, of course, the worlds terrorist problem would be solved, wouldnt it? - Of course, its a ridiculous suggestion and branding all Jamaican's as "Yardie gangs controlling drug trafficking" is equally ridiculous and wholly unfair to those hard working Jamaicans the world over.

 

Lets not forget the view other nationalities have of the English because of the minority in the past, who have gone out to be drunkards on holiday/ football hooligans abroad.

 

And to complain about immigration is somewhat daft when we should, first and foremost, be doing our best to create an environment where the "Best of British" dont go running off to use their skills abroad - I believe the numbers emigrating has actually been greater than the numbers coming into the country in recent years (but dont quote me on that!)

[Harry J Allstars]

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Alan W (GNFC) said:
I believe the numbers emigrating has actually been greater than the numbers coming into the country in recent years (but dont quote me on that!)

Funnily enough residents of Brittany in northern France have complained about the number of brits moving out there and say that they don't get involved or integrate into the community and also First Time Buyers can no longer afford to buy out there becuse of our ex pats going off and pushing the prices up.

[Guest]

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Nols1974 said:
I wished I lived in the 50 s , There can t have been any crime at all before immigration ! . And of course the Times isnt right wing at all so its totally impartial .

Read it again, the list wasn’t complied by the Times, they only printed it. The list was produced by Scotland Yard -or is it suddenly deemed racist to tell the truth as well these days? Would people rather read a pack of lies in the newspapers as long as it was politically correct?

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Alan W (GNFC) said:

Lets not forget the view other nationalities have of the English because of the minority in the past, who have gone out to be drunkards on holiday/ football hooligans abroad.

I admit that the behaviour of certain British people aboard (and at home) has been embarrassing in the past, but surely you can’t seriously be saying that drunken Englishmen throwing patio chairs at Euro 2002, is as bad as the criminal activities mentioned above? – It simply dosen’t compare.

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Alan W (GNFC) said:
And to complain about immigration is somewhat daft when we should, first and foremost, be doing our best to create an environment where the "Best of British" don’t go running off to use their skills abroad - I believe the numbers emigrating has actually been greater than the numbers coming into the country in recent years (but dont quote me on that!)

Not sure if there are actually more people leaving than arriving as I don’t trust any figures the government supply, but I there are certainly many thousands of British people leaving this county. The thing is how many of these British people leave Britain with the intention of having their accommodation and welfare paid for by the government of the country they arrive in? Probably none. Most of the British people moving to Spain or Australia are financially sufficient or have a trade which their host nation can benefit from – that is certainly not the case in Britain with Asylum seekers.

[Harry J Allstars]

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I admit that the behaviour of certain British people aboard (and at home) has been embarrassing in the past, but surely you can’t seriously be saying that drunken Englishmen throwing patio chairs at Euro 2002, is as bad as the criminal activities mentioned above? – It simply dosen’t compare.

There was no Euro 2002 this was a world cup year.

[Guest]

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Harry J Allstars said:

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Alan W (GNFC) said:
I believe the numbers emigrating has actually been greater than the numbers coming into the country in recent years (but dont quote me on that!)

Funnily enough residents of Brittany in northern France have complained about the number of brits moving out there and say that they don't get involved or integrate into the community and also First Time Buyers can no longer afford to buy out there becuse of our ex pats going off and pushing the prices up.

An article that I read in the Daily Mail said that in some cases the British flag had been burned and estate agents who did business with British migrants were being targeted – so much for harmony in United States of Europe! – and this is the abuse that British people who pay their way receive. Show’s how tolerant (or plain bloody stupid) the people of this country are when we accept hundreds of thousands of immigrants, the majority of whom have no means of supporting themselves.

[Guest]

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Harry J Allstars said:

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I admit that the behaviour of certain British people aboard (and at home) has been embarrassing in the past, but surely you can’t seriously be saying that drunken Englishmen throwing patio chairs at Euro 2002, is as bad as the criminal activities mentioned above? – It simply dosen’t compare.

There was no Euro 2002 this was a world cup year.

Only an example. 1998, 2002 - take your pick

[Harry J Allstars]

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I admit that the behaviour of certain British people aboard (and at home) has been embarrassing in the past, but surely you can’t seriously be saying that drunken Englishmen throwing patio chairs at Euro 2002, is as bad as the criminal activities mentioned above? – It simply dosen’t compare.

There was no Euro 2002 this was a world cup year.

Only an example. 1998, 2002 - take your pick

Don't think I get what your saying, but anyway there was no violence in Korea or Japan in 2002, the police did a good job didn't go in to fast or to sudden and therefor didn't have any trouble. You watch next year will be different the Crouts will treat them the same as the French Belgians Dutch and Portugease and there'll be trouble.

[Guest]

Meant Holland and Belgium, 2000.

 

It's not just England fans causing trouble. Nearly every country in Europe has hooligans.

[Student Scum]

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...how many of these British people leave Britain with the intention of having their accommodation and welfare paid for by the government of the country they arrive in?

... and JUST how many people (to the nearest thousand if you like) arrive in Britain with the intention of having their accommodation and welfare paid for by the government?

You can't bandy around mindless political rhetoric if you cannot argue your point. Coincidentally, if you are going to quote others you might like to reference your reliable (ahem!) source...
Get your nose out of the Daily Mail...

[Guest]

and it's not reliable because?

[Guest]

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Student Scum said:

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...how many of these British people leave Britain with the intention of having their accommodation and welfare paid for by the government of the country they arrive in?

... and JUST how many people (to the nearest thousand if you like) arrive in Britain with the intention of having their accommodation and welfare paid for by the government?

You can't bandy around mindless political rhetoric if you cannot argue your point. Coincidentally, if you are going to quote others you might like to reference your reliable (ahem!) source...
Get your nose out of the Daily Mail...

How many asylum seekers? If Tony Blair doesn’t have the faintest idea then how the hell should I know? How about 100,000 a year? Am I right? do I get a prize? Do you even know the answer yourself? Doubt it pal. One things for sure it’s too many. Even 1 of the scroungers is 1 too many!

[John@TheFleet]

Who cares? So are we meeting for a beer at the end of the season or what?

[Harry J Allstars]

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John@TheFleet said:
Who cares? So are we meeting for a beer at the end of the season or what?

Yeah come on you guys who cares how many asylum seekers we get every year, who cares what they contribute. Were football fans why the f*** should we care?

[Guest]

You’d have to be mad not too care where and how your taxes were spend and on whom. Asylum and Immigration are one of the main factors effecting this country at the moment.

But I agree we are moving away from talking about meeting for a beer, which I think is a good idea.

[Slartibartfast]

Come on Harry fess up.....You have promised to take Fleetbabe out for a drink when she whups your ass in the prediction league and you can't think of anywhere else to go. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Harry J Allstars]

LOL. First of all I'd only be to happy to take Fleetbabe out for a drink. Secondly whups my [****!!****]? No no, I think if you take into account my latest score, 8 points on saturday the you'll see that narrows the gap a lot more.

 

Would have been a full ten points I had us down for three goals.

[Bernard]

There appears to be some people here struggling to tell the difference between 'asylum seekers' and 'illegal immigrants'. Asylum seekers flee war-torn countries (like Kosovo) in order to gain refuge from more understanding regimes. Illegal immigrants, on the other hand, are people smuggled in illicitly by, to put it simply, naughty people. The former have far more rights than the latter.

[Stu M]

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Harry J Allstars said:
LOL. First of all I'd only be to happy to take Fleetbabe out for a drink.

Is that a proposition, Harry...? You sly old dog...

[Guest]

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Bernard said:
There appears to be some people here struggling to tell the difference between 'asylum seekers' and 'illegal immigrants'. Asylum seekers flee war-torn countries (like Kosovo) in order to gain refuge from more understanding regimes. Illegal immigrants, on the other hand, are people smuggled in illicitly by, to put it simply, naughty people. The former have far more rights than the latter.

I can tell the difference between asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. Firstly I must point out to you that whilst many of these people claim asylum in Britain, many are no more than economic migrants, falsely claiming asylum (thus becoming illegal immigrants).

As I’ve pointed out, there are already a quarter of a million failed asylum seekers (sorry, illegal immigrants) residing in Britain. Which begs the question, why are they still here? How many of these are earnings living by partaking in criminal activities or becoming employed within Britain’s ‘black economy’? (Excuse the pun). As I’ve said before, the government haven’t got a clue. Do you think these people bother to fill out and return their census forums, or declare where there money comes from?

If these people are genuinely being persecuted, then why do they pass through dozens of safe countries before arriving in Britain?

And the ones that are here, do you think that they all immediately have a better life as a result of living here? Does the Slovak gypsy girl really have a better life being forced to work as a prostitute for crack money in any of Britain big cities? Did the immigrants working in Morecambe really fulfil their ambitions when they perished on the beach? Or how about the ones found dead in a lorry at Dover? Don’t kid yourself pal.

[Bernard]

Is that the same 'quarter of a million' the Daily Mail promised had entered the country on the day the new countries joined the EU (also known as 'no one')?