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Anybody got any suggestions for a new individual and collective noun for our greedy politicians of all parties?

They announced that they will be doing away with the rule of 85 for the council workers (ie you can retire on a full pension if your age plus your service is 85 or more.) Now you may agree or disagree with that, but who are the politicians to decide that when they have just put out a very sneaky announcement (Geoff Hoon of course) that a) the tax payer will be funding the black hole in their pensions which are already more generous than any other pension scheme in Europe, and which has a rule of 80, no less and b)they have just sneaked in another pay raise, paid in two parts so they get it compounded.

So what can you call a group of greedy b*stards with no consciences and a ability to make the law up to pay themselves more as they go along..... Snouts in the trough, money grubbing, thieves etc, but it needs a nice new word to describe them....

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Gordon Brown nicked our pensions to pay for his!
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A Snide of politicians?

A Slime?

A Fester?

A Fiddle?

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A stink?

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An Untruth of Politicians?

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A nosher.

He's noshing you, that bloke is a nosher or you've been noshed.

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A brown bliar

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A Thatcher of Politicians.

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Yes you can have a Thatcher of ruthless MPs but if its a cheating, lying self serving then "a brown of bliars".

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Pabird, aren't those essential qualifications for the job, regardless of political affiliation? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Pabird, aren't those essential qualifications for the job, regardless of political affiliation? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Shame to say but the new breed lack the percentage of passion MPs we used to get. The fault being with head office wishing to have designer MPs as opposed to committed believers.
Result? We are left with no such thing as a labour party only a recruiting agency for look-a-likes.
Tories are not much better but can at least handle the bigger game in managerial terms.

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Tony Blair has modelled himself on Thatcher and that is one of the main reasons he has proved himself to be such a disappointment and effectively the person who has destroyed the Labour Party.

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Tony Blair has modelled himself on Thatcher and that is one of the main reasons he has proved himself to be such a disappointment and effectively the person who has destroyed the Labour Party.


A man that hides his religious conversion lies about reasons for killing a couple of hundred thousand human beings, who even lies about the footballers he saw as a child, a man who has overseen the destruction of NHS dental treatment and the near collapse of all other NHS management and who presides over the downloading of a £20b positive bank balance in 1997 to a negative balance of -£30b in 2006 is no Maggie Thatcher.
As a result of the last nine years we have one million children below the poverty line and ever-increasing drop below that same line for O.A.Ps Whilst Our Tony has been PM as the labour party robs private pensions of £5b per year. The labour party of course ensuring that MPs get the biggest pension (index linked) ever experienced in the history of parliament.
Add on the sleaze brigade, which is predominantly cash in the labour party whilst predominantly sex in Maggie’s Tories
Maggie never knowingly lied and had she left the job five years earlier than she did would have been history’s favourite PM since WW2.

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Hmm, not quite how I recall the period. Must be a different Maggie Thatcher. I recall the most villified PM in living history who came to power on a minority vote, lacking support within her own party for her radical, lunatic monetarist theories but appealling to a sector of the public for her anti-union stance, egged on by far-=right groups like the Freedom Association. The same one who destroyed the welfare state and the NHS ("there's no such thing as society") and created 4 million unemployed, interest rates in the upper teens, sold off the council housing, fragmented the education system and introduced the poll tax. For good measure this Thatcher set the gap between rich and poor on an ever-increasing divergence and slashed taxes to the benefit of the better off at the cost of essential public services. This Thatcher was in deep trouble, hugely unpopular but was saved from political disaster by the Falklands War. But probbly her biggest legacy is the selfish me me me I'm alright jack look after number one attitude that is prevalent today.

Definitely must be a different person.

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Not really the most hated or ineffective (see below), council house sales? How do first time buyers get on to the property ladder now? Anti-union yes I would agree and with good cause, the unions were holding on to out dated practises that were criminal and severely holding back industry and crippling the nationalised industries. Destroyed the welfare state! I feel certain Tony has made accelerated progress in that direction beyond the wildest dreams on any right-winger

The sudden lurch to massive interest rates and leaps in inflation rates commenced their momentum under one James Callaghan and it was left to Maggies government to carry out the hugely unpopular programme of cuts essential to get this country back on its feet.

Maggie never lied to the voters and in my mind her biggest crime was the crushing of miners villages and communities and the suffering to the mothers and children, a long term need was smashed through in months all down to a hatred of Scargill.

MORI/University of Leeds therefore polled 258 academics, with 139 answering the survey questions in full, making this the first large-scale survey of British academic experts in British politics and/or modern British history, asking them to rate all the 20th century British Prime Ministers in terms of their success and asking them to assess the key characteristics of successful PMs.
Respondents were asked to indicate on a scale of 0 to 10 how successful or unsuccessful they considered each PM to have been in office (with 0 being highly unsuccessful and 10 highly successful). We were then able to calculate the mean score for each PM and work out the league table.
Ranking Prime Minister Mean score
1 Clement Attlee (Lab. 1945-51) 8.34
2 Winston Churchill (Con. 1940-45, 51-55) 7.88
3 David Lloyd George (Lib. 1916-22) 7.33
4 Margaret Thatcher (Con. 1979-90) 7.14
5 Harold Macmillan (Con. 1957-63) 6.49
6 Tony Blair (Lab. 1997- ) 6.30
7 Herbert Asquith (Lib. 1908-16) 6.19
8 Stanley Baldwin (Con. 1923-24, 24-29, 35-37)6.18
9 Harold Wilson (Lab. 1964-70) 5.93
10 Lord Salisbury (Con. 1895-1902) 5.75
11 Henry Campbell-Bannerman (Lib. 1906-08) 5.01
12 James Callaghan (Lab. 1976-79) 4.75
13 Edward Heath (Con. 1970-74) 4.36
14 Ramsay MacDonald (Lab. 1924, 29-31, 31-35)3.73
15 John Major (Con. 1990-97) 3.67
16 Andrew Bonar Law (Con. 1922-23) 3.50
17 Neville Chamberlain (Con. 1937-40) 3.43
18 Arthur Balfour (Con. 1902-05) 3.42
19 Alec Douglas-Home (Con. 1963-64) 3.33
20 Anthony Eden (Con. 1955-57) 2.53

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I don't think a survey of 139 academics can be held to support the motion that Thatcher was a popular PM. Equally her monetarist methods were, and still are, deeply controversial among the economic fraternity and was something of a minority view at the time. They cannot be held to be "essential" but are a matter of opinion.

The problem with council house sales is that certainly a huge number of tenants enjoyed a substantial windfall, but of course you can only pull this stunt once. There are now almost no council houses left for people to live in. The only ones left tend to be in really rough areas,sink estates, cr@ppy tower blocks and so on. Thus there is a severe shortage of reasonably priced accommodation and young people especially struggle to become first timne buyers - precisely the reverse effect of that (presumably) intended.

Whether or not you agree with Thatcherism and its crude almost childlike logic is ultimately a matter of opinion, and clearly she had her supporters - mainly anong those who already "had" - I would certainly argue that she was far from popular among the population.

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Pabird, perhaps you can explain the logic in privitisation with simultaneous agreements to give huge public subsidies to the new private industries. These private companies have now received more back from the respective successive governments than they ever paid for the businesses themselves. None of these industires have been improved by privatisation and many have been made significantly worse. Progress.

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Pabird, perhaps you can explain the logic in privitisation with simultaneous agreements to give huge public subsidies to the new private industries. These private companies have now received more back from the respective successive governments than they ever paid for the businesses themselves. None of these industires have been improved by privatisation and many have been made significantly worse. Progress.


No private company was big enough to cover the lack of investment by both colour of government and it had to be tongue in cheek to say not only do you buy the public service but you pay to put in place fifty years of malpractise and you do it now!.
There is much nonesense discussed about relative values public against private such as health and safety issues, look closely and you will find in modern times that accidents are reported now when never reported in the past
Look at hospital cleaners and the unknowing public will say the situation is worse, study the situation and the government has squeezed the contractor financially to such an extent the contractor has no chance.
The steel industry is the target in efficiency the rest of the world aims to copy.
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So,

Self serving, glory hunting, money grubbing, expenses fiddling, responsibility denying, tax evading, justice perverting, attention seeking, truth averse, publicity hungry, war mongering, brown nosing, pension stealing, cash wasting bunch of lying, thieving, conniving, condescending. patronising, cheating, nannying, snidy, cowardly wastrels is a fair summary of our "elected" representatives. Have we missed anything?

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