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With race 4 almost over, it's not looking too clever for Emirates Team New Zealand.... quite frankly they are being dicked by Alingi today!

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Bugger it! The Alighi Dingy has won today to square the series.

The good news is that means there will be at least 3 more races! smile

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30 seconds the gap...... for those that are interested....

Anyone?

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Carry on, it's better than tennis or cricket smile

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Originally Posted By: Westie
Who cares about Henman when you can have a race like that:

The lead changing hands, men overboard, mistakes and tension.

It's the oldest cup and still one of the best.

Get in the Kiwis.



Sounds just like the White Horse Ferry, between Gravesend and Tilbury! laugh bolt

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Originally Posted By: Westie


It's the oldest cup and still one of the best.


Is it ????

arrr bigshock

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The Aussies had the right idea,,,,,,,,,,Get the cup they won,,,,,,,,,,,Put it under a Steamroller,,,,,,,,,,,,And call it the Australian Plate! laugh

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Originally Posted By: Greg_Dyke
Originally Posted By: Westie


It's the oldest cup and still one of the best.


Is it ????

arrr bigshock


Yes it is.... have you done your homework on this before asking the question?

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Originally Posted By: Westie
Originally Posted By: Greg_Dyke
Originally Posted By: Westie


It's the oldest cup and still one of the best.


Is it ????

arrr bigshock


Yes it is.... have you done your homework on this before asking the question?


no, I'll do it now duck bolt

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http://www.comunitat...as/AYNTK_en.pdf

Read it and weep dykie!

And come back when you have something constructive to say.

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Why is it called the America’s Cup?
In 1851, a boat named America won the 100 Guinea Cup given to the winner of a race around the Isle of Wight. The winners, members of the New York Yacht Club, donated the trophy to the Club, to be held as a ‘challenge’ trophy. Thus was born the America’s Cup, named after the boat, not the country.


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Year Edition Place Defender Challenger Winner
2007 32 Valencia (ESP) Alinghi Emirates TNZ ?
2003 31 Auckland (NZL) Team New Zealand Alinghi
2000 30 Auckland (NZL) Team New Zealand Luna Rossa
1995 29 San Diego (USA) Young America Black Magic
1992 28 San Diego (USA) America3 Il Moro di Venezia
1988 27 San Diego (USA) Stars and Stripes New Zealand
1987 26 Fremantle (AUS) Kookaburra III Stars and Stripes
1983 25 Newport (USA) Liberty Australia II
1980 24 Newport (USA) Freedom Australia
1977 23 Newport (USA) Courageous Australia
1974 22 Newport (USA) Courageous Southern Cross
1970 21 Newport (USA) Intrepid Gretel II
1967 20 Newport (USA) Intrepid Dame Pattie
1964 19 Newport (USA) Constellation Sovereign
1962 18 Newport (USA) Weatherly Gretel
1958 17 Newport (USA) Columbia Sceptre
1937 16 Newport (USA) Ranger Endeavour II
1934 15 Newport (USA) Rainbow Endeavour
1930 14 Newport (USA) Entreprise Shamrock V
1920 13 New York (USA) Resolute Shamrock IV
1903 12 New York (USA) Reliance Shamrock III
1901 11 New York (USA) Columbia Shamrock II
1899 10 New York (USA) Columbia Shamrock
1895 9 New York (USA) Defender Valkyrie III
1893 8 New York (USA) Vigilant Valkyrie II
1887 7 New York (USA) Volunteer Thistle
1886 6 New York (USA) Mayflower Galatea
1885 5 New York (USA) Puritan Genesta
1881 4 New York (USA) Mischief Atalanta
1876 3 New York (USA) Madeleine Countess of Dufferin
1871 2 New York (USA) Columbia Livonia
1870 1 New York (USA) Magic Cambria
1851 - Isle of Wight (ENG) Aurora vs America


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Is any of this helping?

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It's probably easier viewed here:

http://www.americasc...51/timeline.php

Makes more sense.

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Is the current "cup" the original "cup" ?

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No, if course it isn't.... is the current FA Cup the original cup... or the world cup for that matter?

Do be so foolish man!!!

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Then it might not be the oldest cup in the world then ?

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IN THE BEGINNING
In 1851 a radical looking schooner ghosted out of the afternoon mist and swiftly sailed past the Royal Yacht stationed in the Solent, between the Isle of Wight and the south coast of England, on an afternoon when Queen Victoria was watching a sailing race.

As the schooner, named America, passed the Royal Yacht in first position, and saluted by dipping its ensign three times, Queen Victoria asked one of her attendants to tell her who was in second place.

"Your Majesty, there is no second," came the reply. That phrase, just four words, is still the best description of the America's Cup, and how it represents the singular pursuit of excellence.

That day in August, 1851, the yacht America, representing the young New York Yacht Club, would go on to beat the best the British could offer and win the Royal Yacht Squadron's 100 Guinea Cup.

This was more than simply a boat race however, as it symbolised a great victory for the new world over the old, a triumph that unseated Great Britain as the world's undisputed maritime power. The trophy would go to the young democracy of the United States and it would be well over 100 years before the Cup was taken from New York, the American's domination was so complete.

Shortly after America won the 100 Guinea Cup in 1851, New York Yacht Club Commodore John Cox Stevens and the rest of his ownership syndicate sold the celebrated schooner to an Irishman and returned home to New York as heroes. They went on to donate the Cup to the New York Yacht Club under a Deed of Gift, which stated that the trophy was to be "a perpetual challenge cup for friendly competition between nations." Thus was born the America's Cup, named after the winning schooner America, as opposed to the country.

The America's Cup is without a doubt the most difficult trophy in sport to win. In over 150 years since that first race off England, only three nations other than the United States have won what is often called the oldest trophy in international sport. For some perspective, consider that there had been nine contests for the America's Cup before the first modern Olympic Games were held in Athens in 1896.

The America's Cup is a challenge-based competition where the previous winning Yacht Club makes the rules and hosts the event, often making it difficult for the challenging Club(s) to take the Cup home. Early in the history of the Cup, these obstacles were completely insurmountable and the Defender was never threatened. In fact, despite a couple of close calls, it would take 132-years for a foreign Challenger to beat the American Defender and win the Cup.


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Originally Posted By: Greg_Dyke
Then it might not be the oldest cup in the world then ?

duck


I meant cup as in competition.... pedant!

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THE EARLY CHALLENGES
The first one hundred years or so of competition saw both highs and lows for the America's Cup, with the competition only seriously interrupted by the two World Wars. The very first challenge would come from Englishman James Ashbury, who raced a fleet from the New York Yacht Club around a race-course just off Staten Island in 1870. After much dispute over the conditions for racing, Ashbury's Cambria finished 10th in the 17-boat fleet prompting a second challenge the following year.

The 1871 America's Cup match was a precursor for many of the legal battles that would engulf the Cup over 100 years later. After reportedly consulting his lawyers, Ashbury insisted on racing against just one boat, not an entire fleet and protested both the scoring of the races and blunders by the Race Committee who set the race course. In the end he limped home complaining bitterly about poor sportsmanship on the part of the Americans and insisting he had actually won the Cup, to no avail.





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