v Dover Athletic

[Reading Rebel]

Matt Lench.

When I first heard that he was swanning off on holiday during the football season and will be missing for 4 games my first reaction was oh well at least it gives another player a chance to take up the mantel and make it difficult for Lenchy to get back into the side.

Unfortunately it guts me to say that on today's evidence the quicker he gets back the better.

[Curtis]

29 minutes ago, Rebellier said:

Tyrese impressed

Strange how much opinions can differ, I thought he had a dreadful first half & was surprised he wasn’t subbed at half-time.

[Curtis]

I also thought that we looked good with Ogbonna, Giles & McElroy on & was convinced we were going to get a second goal & win.

Too many stupid defensive errors though that could have led to us conceding more than just the two goals.

[Curtis]

On a positive I was pleased to see an attendance of 778, and that players names are now on the back of the shirts….. which I think is a great help for regular & occasional supporters with all the changes we have seen this season.

[Nathan]

My honest opinion is that 2 games is too early for all-out panic stations, but 2 defeats from 2 games against sides who certainly aren't used to winning doesn't bode well. 

There's no way we should have lost today, and yet we did. Several unforced errors and sloppy passes turned out to be the difference. With all due respect to Dover, I saw nothing from them that convinced me they'll be anywhere except the wrong end of the table again. For all our possession dominance we did little after our equaliser, yet I thought we had one almighty cock-up to gift Dover a goal in us. 

We need to dust ourselves down and pull our fingers out asap or we're already looking at a repeat of last season, that is constantly in the mire or looking over our shoulders. 

On a more positive note, Ogbonna looked excellent when he came on and the new match day programme is very good indeed. 

[codpiece]

Total over reaction by some some fans on here. This is a new side still gelling. As Scott pointed out ,this is a team with commitment & endeavor & mistakes will be made & hopefully learnt from.

At the end Dover know they got lucky to take the 3 points & a draw would have been about right in my opinion.

Can i just remind people of the league table  below from October last season & note Weymouth's points & position.

We know what happened to them at the end of the season.

I still have massive faith in Scott & the new owners.

COYR.

 

Home				Away				Total
		P	W	D	L	P	W	D	L	P	W	D	L	F	A	+/-	Pts
Last updated: Saturday 15th October 2022 at 17:01:16
1	Ebbsfleet United	6	6	0	0	5	4	1	0	11	10	1	0	32	9	+23	31
2	Havant & Waterlooville	5	5	0	0	6	4	2	0	11	9	2	0	28	13	+15	29
3	Dartford	7	5	0	2	6	4	0	2	13	9	0	4	23	13	+10	27
4	Chelmsford City	6	4	1	1	5	3	2	0	11	7	3	1	16	7	+9	24
5	Bath City	5	3	0	2	7	3	3	1	12	6	3	3	25	19	+6	21
6	Worthing	5	1	3	1	7	4	2	1	12	5	5	2	19	13	+6	20
7	Braintree Town	6	4	2	0	6	2	0	4	12	6	2	4	21	17	+4	20
8	St Albans City	6	1	3	2	6	4	1	1	12	5	4	3	12	8	+4	19
9	Welling United	7	2	2	3	5	3	2	0	12	5	4	3	20	17	+3	19
10	Dover Athletic	6	4	0	2	6	1	2	3	12	5	2	5	20	18	+2	17
11	Tonbridge Angels	5	2	1	2	7	3	1	3	12	5	2	5	19	21	-2	17
12	Slough Town	6	3	1	2	6	2	1	3	12	5	2	5	13	20	-7	17
13	Eastbourne Borough	6	3	0	3	5	2	1	2	11	5	1	5	24	19	+5	16
14	Oxford City	5	2	2	1	6	2	1	3	11	4	3	4	17	16	+1	15
15	Chippenham Town	6	4	1	1	5	0	2	3	11	4	3	4	8	11	-3	15
16	Hemel Hempstead Town	6	2	1	3	6	2	2	2	12	4	3	5	12	16	-4	15
17	Taunton Town	5	2	3	0	6	1	1	4	11	3	4	4	7	11	-4	13
18	Hampton & Richmond Borough	5	1	3	1	6	2	0	4	11	3	3	5	15	16	-1	12
19	Farnborough	5	1	1	3	6	2	0	4	11	3	1	7	9	14	-5	10
20	Dulwich Hamlet	5	1	0	4	6	1	2	3	11	2	2	7	14	19	-5	8
21	Hungerford Town	6	1	1	4	6	1	1	4	12	2	2	8	7	15	-8	8
22	Concord Rangers	7	1	2	4	5	1	0	4	12	2	2	8	8	22	-14	8
23	Cheshunt	6	1	0	5	6	1	0	5	12	2	0	10	13	29	-16	6
24	Weymouth	7	0	1	6	4	0	1	3	11	0	2	9	7	26	-19	2

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[Reading Rebel]

2 hours ago, codpiece said:

Total over reaction by some some fans on here. This is a new side still gelling. As Scott pointed out ,this is a team with commitment & endeavor & mistakes will be made & hopefully learnt from.

At the end Dover know they got lucky to take the 3 points & a draw would have been about right in my opinion.

Can i just remind people of the league table  below from October last season & note Weymouth's points & position.

We know what happened to them at the end of the season.

I still have massive faith in Scott & the new owners.

COYR.

 

Home				Away				Total
		P	W	D	L	P	W	D	L	P	W	D	L	F	A	+/-	Pts
Last updated: Saturday 15th October 2022 at 17:01:16
1	Ebbsfleet United	6	6	0	0	5	4	1	0	11	10	1	0	32	9	+23	31
2	Havant & Waterlooville	5	5	0	0	6	4	2	0	11	9	2	0	28	13	+15	29
3	Dartford	7	5	0	2	6	4	0	2	13	9	0	4	23	13	+10	27
4	Chelmsford City	6	4	1	1	5	3	2	0	11	7	3	1	16	7	+9	24
5	Bath City	5	3	0	2	7	3	3	1	12	6	3	3	25	19	+6	21
6	Worthing	5	1	3	1	7	4	2	1	12	5	5	2	19	13	+6	20
7	Braintree Town	6	4	2	0	6	2	0	4	12	6	2	4	21	17	+4	20
8	St Albans City	6	1	3	2	6	4	1	1	12	5	4	3	12	8	+4	19
9	Welling United	7	2	2	3	5	3	2	0	12	5	4	3	20	17	+3	19
10	Dover Athletic	6	4	0	2	6	1	2	3	12	5	2	5	20	18	+2	17
11	Tonbridge Angels	5	2	1	2	7	3	1	3	12	5	2	5	19	21	-2	17
12	Slough Town	6	3	1	2	6	2	1	3	12	5	2	5	13	20	-7	17
13	Eastbourne Borough	6	3	0	3	5	2	1	2	11	5	1	5	24	19	+5	16
14	Oxford City	5	2	2	1	6	2	1	3	11	4	3	4	17	16	+1	15
15	Chippenham Town	6	4	1	1	5	0	2	3	11	4	3	4	8	11	-3	15
16	Hemel Hempstead Town	6	2	1	3	6	2	2	2	12	4	3	5	12	16	-4	15
17	Taunton Town	5	2	3	0	6	1	1	4	11	3	4	4	7	11	-4	13
18	Hampton & Richmond Borough	5	1	3	1	6	2	0	4	11	3	3	5	15	16	-1	12
19	Farnborough	5	1	1	3	6	2	0	4	11	3	1	7	9	14	-5	10
20	Dulwich Hamlet	5	1	0	4	6	1	2	3	11	2	2	7	14	19	-5	8
21	Hungerford Town	6	1	1	4	6	1	1	4	12	2	2	8	7	15	-8	8
22	Concord Rangers	7	1	2	4	5	1	0	4	12	2	2	8	8	22	-14	8
23	Cheshunt	6	1	0	5	6	1	0	5	12	2	0	10	13	29	-16	6
24	Weymouth	7	0	1	6	4	0	1	3	11	0	2	9	7	26	-19	2

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Unfortunately codpiece, the 'commitment and endeavor' wasn't evident in the first half and some of the mistakes being made are basic errors that just shouldn't happen regardless if we are a new team or not.

[Curtis]

What were the thoughts on the refereeing yesterday?

Personally I thought he let them get away with numerous fouls seeming to interpret them as robust tackles or our players falling over too easily.

If this is a result of a new refereeing directive this season we may need to adapt to it.

[Reading Rebel]

4 hours ago, Curtis said:

What were the thoughts on the refereeing yesterday?

Personally I thought he let them get away with numerous fouls seeming to interpret them as robust tackles or our players falling over too easily.

If this is a result of a new refereeing directive this season we may need to adapt to it.

Following on from last season so far the standard of refereeing looks to be just as poor.

He was not the reason why we lost but some of his decisions on what was or wasn't a foul were mystifying. 

Edited August 13, 2023 by Reading Rebel

[rebelade]

20 hours ago, Sir Rebel1965 said:

No points after two games, the second against Dover at "Fortress Arbour Park", and Dover are a team that has been in trouble.

Now is the time to see if the new owners have a spine and are prepared to spend like Wrexham, or if they are just wannabes like Walter Mitty!

Loads of big plans and pumping out the good news stories so far to try and sell hyped up memberships, however the reality of NLS is kicking in.

This year's squad is significantly larger than Bakes and Unders had for the last few seasons, Scott's honeymoon period is over, so time for the performance's on the pitch to happen, or the new owners will start twitching and wondering what they have signed up for, and the fans will wonder what has happened to THEIR club!

No points on the board and already in catch up mode, the pressure is now on!

What’s it to be then Sir Rebel , 2 games or 8 games or do you just make it up as you go along because this is what you posted last season 

Sir Rebel1965 replied to Reading Rebel's topic in

Slough Town Forum

8 games is the point to take a measure. Calling for change after 3 games is unrealistic, but a few more points would take the pressure off.

 

[Guest Wycombe Rebel]

Now I’ve calmed down 😂

First half I thought we were the much better team until they scored, then all of a sudden they carved us open down the flanks at will.

Half time comes and we change formation again, which I do not agree with but it’s Scott’s team and he does what he feels will improve us. We had all the ball, huffed and puffed, then lost to a silly silly goal to give away.

3 things:

I worry that there is a soft side to us that needs to be stamped on quickly.

God we missed Lenchy, just that calming influence that can travel with the ball, draw a foul etc

Please decide on a formation, allow a style to develop etc I just feel like the team is being tinkered with far too much for a basically a new team, tinker when they are settled, I don’t think the changes are helping them settle in a new league at the moment.

[3spirit]

2 hours ago, Wycombe Rebel said:

Now I’ve calmed down 😂

First half I thought we were the much better team until they scored, then all of a sudden they carved us open down the flanks at will.

Half time comes and we change formation again, which I do not agree with but it’s Scott’s team and he does what he feels will improve us. We had all the ball, huffed and puffed, then lost to a silly silly goal to give away.

3 things:

I worry that there is a soft side to us that needs to be stamped on quickly.

God we missed Lenchy, just that calming influence that can travel with the ball, draw a foul etc

Please decide on a formation, allow a style to develop etc I just feel like the team is being tinkered with far too much for a basically a new team, tinker when they are settled, I don’t think the changes are helping them settle in a new league at the moment.

I don't think you can claim Matt Lench is a calming influence on proceedings ! He's the type of player that gets the opposition wound up and then gets embroiled in silly trouble, however I do agree with you in saying that he is among the best footballers in our new look squad, and that he was always going to be a big miss with his absence from these early matches.

Losing two games without Josh Jackman, Matt Lench and our new mainstay centre half Dan Baylis is nothing to worry about in my opinion. I think Scott needs to calm down, if anything. The players and Scott need to find what works and doesn't work.Mistakes happen in every game. Players aren't robots. I think eventually the penny drops with what players fit the challenge and what players struggle with. 

I think all us fans have to bear in mind Scott's relatively inexperience as a manager. He is endeavouring to change tactics to turn around games not going to plan mid-match. This is never easy but needs to be done. To be honest I think he missed his chance to do this properly in the pre-season games but just because Slough have been narrowly beaten by Maidstone and Dover I don't see this as sounding the alarm bells.

I would change the line up again for the Worthing match. Is Josh and Dan available for Tuesday night's game? They must come straight back into the team if they are. I would make 3 to 4 changes for the starting eleven against Worthing. Nothing too drastic but enough to freshen up the side again. We're up against it anyway with this Worthing side but we need to be right at them from the off on Tuesday night.     

 

[Guest Wycombe Rebel]

19 minutes ago, 3spirit said:

I don't think you can claim Matt Lench is a calming influence on proceedings ! He's the type of player that gets the opposition wound up and then gets embroiled in silly trouble, however I do agree with you in saying that he is among the best footballers in our new look squad, and that he was always going to be a big miss with his absence from these early matches.

Losing two games without Josh Jackman, Matt Lench and our new mainstay centre half Dan Baylis is nothing to worry about in my opinion. I think Scott needs to calm down, if anything. The players and Scott need to find what works and doesn't work.Mistakes happen in every game. Players aren't robots. I think eventually the penny drops with what players fit the challenge and what players struggle with. 

I think all us fans have to bear in mind Scott's relatively inexperience as a manager. He is endeavouring to change tactics to turn around games not going to plan mid-match. This is never easy but needs to be done. To be honest I think he missed his chance to do this properly in the pre-season games but just because Slough have been narrowly beaten by Maidstone and Dover I don't see this as sounding the alarm bells.

I would change the line up again for the Worthing match. Is Josh and Dan available for Tuesday night's game? They must come straight back into the team if they are. I would make 3 to 4 changes for the starting eleven against Worthing. Nothing too drastic but enough to freshen up the side again. We're up against it anyway with this Worthing side but we need to be right at them from the off on Tuesday night.     

 

Lench is a calming influence due to his ability on the ball. He can take pressure off his team mates by travelling with the ball, drawing a foul etc

As for silly trouble, well every team needs a Matt Lench, sh*t housery still exists in football.

[Reading Rebel]

59 minutes ago, 3spirit said:

I don't think you can claim Matt Lench is a calming influence on proceedings ! He's the type of player that gets the opposition wound up and then gets embroiled in silly trouble, however I do agree with you in saying that he is among the best footballers in our new look squad, and that he was always going to be a big miss with his absence from these early matches.

Losing two games without Josh Jackman, Matt Lench and our new mainstay centre half Dan Baylis is nothing to worry about in my opinion. I think Scott needs to calm down, if anything. The players and Scott need to find what works and doesn't work.Mistakes happen in every game. Players aren't robots. I think eventually the penny drops with what players fit the challenge and what players struggle with. 

I think all us fans have to bear in mind Scott's relatively inexperience as a manager. He is endeavouring to change tactics to turn around games not going to plan mid-match. This is never easy but needs to be done. To be honest I think he missed his chance to do this properly in the pre-season games but just because Slough have been narrowly beaten by Maidstone and Dover I don't see this as sounding the alarm bells.

I would change the line up again for the Worthing match. Is Josh and Dan available for Tuesday night's game? They must come straight back into the team if they are. I would make 3 to 4 changes for the starting eleven against Worthing. Nothing too drastic but enough to freshen up the side again. We're up against it anyway with this Worthing side but we need to be right at them from the off on Tuesday night.     

 

Josh Jackman 2 games, Matt Lench 4 games and hopefully Dan Bayliss only the one game.

Losing these players for the short term may not be season defining but our aim was to make a fast start and missing these players, especially of the quality that Matt Lench brings to the team hasn't helped our cause one bit.

Not sure what you mean by Scott calming down.

If you mean in his post match interviews I think he just tells it as it is without sugar coating it, which is what most supporters like and want to hear.

As for the Worthing match I think it's pretty nailed on that we will make a few changes to our starting line up.

 

[Guest Wycombe Rebel]

10 minutes ago, Reading Rebel said:

Josh Jackman 2 games, Matt Lench 4 games and hopefully Dan Bayliss only the one game.

Losing these players for the short term may not be season defining but our aim was to make a fast start and missing these players, especially of the quality that Matt Lench brings to the team hasn't helped our cause one bit.

Not sure what you mean by Scott calming down.

If you mean in his post match interviews I think he just tells it as it is without sugar coating it, which is what most supporters like and want to hear.

As for the Worthing match I think it's pretty nailed on that we will make a few changes to our starting line up.

 

Think it might be:

Graczyk

Dandy Davies Bayliss

Jackman Prosper Sundire Dyce

Ogbonna Alexander Giles

The more I look at the squad now, I feel we need another centre back

[Reading Rebel]

Looking at the match highlights, the shove in the back on Dyce when he ran along the goal line was for me a stonewall penalty. 

For some reason that ref was determined not to give us anything.

[Reading Rebel]

51 minutes ago, Wycombe Rebel said:

Think it might be:

Graczyk

Dandy Davies Bayliss

Jackman Prosper Sundire Dyce

Ogbonna Alexander Giles

The more I look at the squad now, I feel we need another centre back

Might be an idea if one of the tech people could transfer this post onto the Worthing thread. 

Edited August 13, 2023 by Reading Rebel

[3spirit]

22 hours ago, Reading Rebel said:

Josh Jackman 2 games, Matt Lench 4 games and hopefully Dan Bayliss only the one game.

Losing these players for the short term may not be season defining but our aim was to make a fast start and missing these players, especially of the quality that Matt Lench brings to the team hasn't helped our cause one bit.

Not sure what you mean by Scott calming down.

If you mean in his post match interviews I think he just tells it as it is without sugar coating it, which is what most supporters like and want to hear.

As for the Worthing match I think it's pretty nailed on that we will make a few changes to our starting line up.

 

That means Josh and Dan will be back for tomorrow night's game against Worthing,which is good.

No I don't mean Scott's honest interviews. I like those. I was referring to his over the top deliberations to two defeats.My observation was more about when he digs players out for making mistakes. To me this is a new look Slough team that is going to need time to gel. Is it really going to help improve this team by handing out rollickings this early?  I think Scott is a passionate player and should be able to go on and be competent football manager but at the moment I think we need him to be a cooler head to turn it around. Being a player manager is never straight forward,though,and without a captain or another vocal leader on Saturday things can't have been easy.

To me Slough aren't far off from getting it right on the field of play but the centre of defence isn't functioning well with Scott back there. He would be better suited to playing as that holding midfielder/long passing role sitting in front of the centre halves that he does so well, than trying to cover for weaknesses at the back.

One solid intelligent right footed centre half to go alongside Dan Baylis and Slough would be back in business imo.  Is Joe Dandy it?  I'm not sure but he needs to be tried there. ' Sink or swim' I believe we need to adopt with him.    I would go with a 4-3-1-2 against Worthing first half with David Ogbonna as the one  behind the front two of George and Nathan[if fit]. With the strength and athleticism of Josh and Tyrese on the flanks.

[Reading Rebel]

4 hours ago, 3spirit said:

That means Josh and Dan will be back for tomorrow night's game against Worthing,which is good.

No I don't mean Scott's honest interviews. I like those. I was referring to his over the top deliberations to two defeats.My observation was more about when he digs players out for making mistakes. To me this is a new look Slough team that is going to need time to gel. Is it really going to help improve this team by handing out rollickings this early?  I think Scott is a passionate player and should be able to go on and be competent football manager but at the moment I think we need him to be a cooler head to turn it around. Being a player manager is never straight forward,though,and without a captain or another vocal leader on Saturday things can't have been easy.

To me Slough aren't far off from getting it right on the field of play but the centre of defence isn't functioning well with Scott back there. He would be better suited to playing as that holding midfielder/long passing role sitting in front of the centre halves that he does so well, than trying to cover for weaknesses at the back.

One solid intelligent right footed centre half to go alongside Dan Baylis and Slough would be back in business imo.  Is Joe Dandy it?  I'm not sure but he needs to be tried there. ' Sink or swim' I believe we need to adopt with him.    I would go with a 4-3-1-2 against Worthing first half with David Ogbonna as the one  behind the front two of George and Nathan[if fit]. With the strength and athleticism of Josh and Tyrese on the flanks.

I wouldn't say over the top deliberations to two defeats.

He's gutted, like most of us are, that we've had two defeats when we really should have at least 4 points on the board.

To me that just shows as a manager how passionate Scott is when decisions don't go our way or mistakes have cost us.

I can't see how any manager could do a post match interview to discuss the game and goals conceded without mentioning that avoidable mistakes have cost us. 

I would say that in the two games so far Scott has been one of if not our best player in our defense. 

Ideally another central defender would be needed but until that happens I don't think we can do without Scott's experience in our back line.

Edited August 14, 2023 by Reading Rebel

[3spirit]

8 hours ago, Reading Rebel said:

I wouldn't say over the top deliberations to two defeats.

He's gutted, like most of us are, that we've had two defeats when we really should have at least 4 points on the board.

To me that just shows as a manager how passionate Scott is when decisions don't go our way or mistakes have cost us.

I can't see how any manager could do a post match interview to discuss the game and goals conceded without mentioning that avoidable mistakes have cost us. 

I would say that in the two games so far Scott has been one of if not our best player in our defense. 

Ideally another central defender would be needed but until that happens I don't think we can do without Scott's experience in our back line.

Fair enough what you say here. Your opinion and my opinion don't count in Scott's plans anyway but as discussions on this forum both are valid. You see it your way and I see it my way.

I get your point about Scott being the one of the best defenders in the last two matches but that doesn't say a lot when Josh Jackman and Dan Baylis didn't play against Dover, and we have lost both games. In pre-season Scott and Dan seemed to be the central pairing that worked best together but neither of them are blessed with speed. Scott reads the game well and it's his speed of thought/leadership voice that makes him seem the wisest choice at the back currently. I feel that we are over elaborating at the back because of our deficiences with trusting certain players.This is what is leading to the confusion, as to what Wycombe Rebel was alluding to.

I get that Scott needs to be in the first eleven currently but he needs to ascertain whether Joe Dandy is up to challenge of playing alongside Dan Baylis. Against Worthing might not be the best time to find out but when is the best time? Worthing will certainly provide a test for the Rebels but I don't believe we can't prove our mettle when we play them tonight. I'm looking forward to the match.

Edited August 15, 2023 by 3spirit