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Uncle Urchin

4 weeks porridge for the vicar

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aged 71 who refused to only pay the increase in his council tax at the rate of inflation. He was released today having served his FULL 4 week sentence.

 

Now we understand that a refusal to pay council tax at the set rate is an offence but how many people don't pay their council tax and walk the streets free. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

 

Do these fckn magistrates have no sense...what sort of a responsible magistrate would lock up a 71 year old retired vicar who has spent his whole life working for his community and in the following case give 50 hours community service to a violent.. three times offending... teenage thug who beat up a man in a pub...his defence was that he was drunk at the time and was defending himself...

 

the party for law and order Blair told us.....yeah right....new labour most certainly are doing the job properly by locking up retired vicars...has this country gone fckn mad.... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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If we all had your attitude and didn't pay then the CTAX would be higher for the rest of us. If your local council has a good recovery rate for the CTAX then the costs are lower. This will teach others a lesson and make them think twice about not paying.

He would have had plenty of chances to make the payment but the stubborn old git stood firm. Serves him right. He must also have been a naughty boy in nick to have served the full sentance and he will still have to pay when he comes out. Send in the bailiffs I say!!

This is from some one who works for the Council Tax department dealing with all the moaners and groaners. Beleive me you become hardened to it after 15 years!!

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what 'attitude' is it exactly that I have Paula..?..if you meant that I was condoning the non payment of council tax then read my posts again please...my beef was with the disrepencies in the justice system and the foolishness of magistrates who are unable to distinguish between hardened law breakers who go unpunished and harmless old age pensioners who end up in jail..(and yes I am sure that the old boy really caused a riot in the clink)...

 

some times people act on principle and its as well that some people still have them....

 

bit like you really...coming on here spouting about people not paying for things and sending the bailiffs in whilst at the same time using air time paid for by the taxpayers to mess around on forums when you should be locking a few old ladies up for hanging their washing out as the mayor passes in his stretch limo....(labour mayor that is) <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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"Norman Stanley Fletcher - You are a.................."

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what 'attitude' is it exactly that I have Paula..?..if you meant that I was condoning the non payment of council tax then read my posts again please...my beef was with the disrepencies in the justice system and the foolishness of magistrates who are unable to distinguish between hardened law breakers who go unpunished and harmless old age pensioners who end up in jail..(and yes I am sure that the old boy really caused a riot in the clink)...

some times people act on principle and its as well that some people still have them....

bit like you really...coming on here spouting about people not paying for things and sending the bailiffs in whilst at the same time using air time paid for by the taxpayers to mess around on forums when you should be locking a few old ladies up for hanging their washing out as the mayor passes in his stretch limo....(labour mayor that is) <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Sorry to disappoint but I only work four nine and half hour days per week so i'm not wasting anyones time or money except my own <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

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Some times I hate this forum--I am 100% with UU

 

An aside for all you pinkies supporting that bloody awful shower in government now, consider and respond

 

If an eighteen year old living at home with no council tax, no electric/gas etc bills to pay, has to be paid a minimum wage which amounts to circa £200 notes a week on moral grounds so that he can have an half decent life style why does not the over 65s get a similar amount weekly as a pension

They do have gas/electric council tax etc etc to pay or do we not owe them the same moral rights as the eighteen year old

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While I think sending a pensioner to prison over non-payment of council tax is extreme to say the least, what if everyone in the country couldn't be bothered to pay it? I've tried that route before and now my credit rating is probably in the crapper for at least a good five years

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he did pay it...he refused to pay the increase other than at the level of inflation....

 

do you lot read these posts or what... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

 

I was refering to the idiocy of the punishment for his 'offence' when compared to the leniency handed out to muggers and so called deprived thugs...

 

nice to see us in harmony PB.... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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The over 65's get heating allowance and the new CTAX allowance every year. Plus if there that hard up would get Pension Credit which means they probably would'n have to pay the Council Tax anyway coz they would get benefit! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

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not at all kiddo...I was just testing to see if you were on the taxpayers airtime... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

 

obviously not... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

 

you missed the point of my post Paula...I wasn't condoning anyone avoiding their council tax as indeed I pay mine and expect everyone else to do the same...like it or not...no....my point was the diverstiy of the sentencing by JP's when they lock an old man up over a few quid and let vicious thugs run loose after they have beaten innocent people half to death......

 

that is the truth and what other truth you refer to that is supposed to 'hurt' I do not understand...please read the original post properly...if you feel it is right to send an old man to prison then fair enough....you are entitled to your opinion but you actually never passed an opinion on my original beef.....

 

do you think the sentencing policies of our magistrates courts are fair when harmless pensioners are locked up and hooligans..rapists and thugs allowed to run free......?

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Uncle and pabird - get a room! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

 

Well. Pabird, why would we pinkoes want to bang the drum for the incumbent government? As has been explained to you on numnerous ocassions, the present beauties in no way constitute a socialist or left wing (or even left of centre) government. They are softly spoken tories!

 

Uncle, surely magistrates are well known for their inconsistency and lack of logic? They are after all a bunch of retired colonels, blkue rinsed old harridans, double glazing salesmen and other assorted right wing fascist imperialist lackies! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

 

It is difficult - nay impossible - to compare two entirely dissimilar cases especially when one does not know the full details of either. On the face of it one would certainly expect a violent offence to result in a custodial sentence, and I agree that the beak in question seems to have been lenient. But no doubt the recalcitrant cleric had many chances to pay and jug was the last resort for the different magistrate - ultimately what else can you do if someone refuses to stump up? If the old boy wqas in work then the outstanding could be deducted at source, at an appropriate rate per week or month - maybe a sum could have been knocked off his pension (plus admin costs of course).

 

I would also quibble (not like me, I know) with the idea that he has "served his community all his life". No, he was in paid employment. Admittedly he had to work on Sundays....

 

Yes, pensioners should receive a worthwhile pension, no question, but do have various benefits and concessions as described. The minimum wage is a seperate issue and again is not an appropriate comparison being paid by employers to employeees in return for their services.

 

So there. How's our old mate Pinnacle getting on with you, anyway. Unc? Having trouble keeping him off the urchinettes (or vice versa???)

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As for the hypothetical 18 year old living at home..... no individual has to pay council tax as such, it is the household that pays. You could equally well argue that one of the parents (assuming both are known, present and correct...) are skiving off paying no Council Tax.... of course there is a reduction if there are only two adults in the household and one is a mature student.. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

 

Surely the better way is to tax all according to the ability to pay, i.e. a localised PAYE?

 

One would hope that the said teenager pays an appropriate sum into the household kitty for bills and council tax. To be fair, although not entirely relevant, with the cost of rent in London it is very hard for youngsters make their own way

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hi Vis...how goes things....I knew you would agree with me on the above issue..after all our politics have always been in line.... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cuddle.gif" alt="" />

 

pinacle is fine and the new team are gelling...he's a good lad and we've had him doctored to prevent the urchinette population from exploding.... prevention is after all better than cure... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

 

me and pabird agee on more issues than you would think Vis...shame he's such a grumpy old barsteward... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

 

regards to lass

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The over 65s do not want handouts they want a fair return on the money they have produced over a considerable working life

Why should the generations that produced the billions this government wastes on a day to day basis have to apply for supplimentory hand outs

How you keeping Invis?, a question Invis? how are the labour party so lacking in fortitude they have grouped together under the banner of a con man non-politician (not left not right) ever going to regain the moral high ground

The labour party have taken a ride on the back of a man who has lied,cheated and belittled "government by democratic means" from word go

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The Invisible man can speak for himself, pabird but your question is based on a false premise.

 

The Labour party politicians are interested initially in power. And retaining it. Forget 'The Red Flag' and all that stuff. Old hat, old chap. Once in power, there are plenty of opportunities to abuse it, of course. And I'm not talking about freebie holidays with Sir Cliff or discounts from Chanel and goodie bags at Armani.

 

I assume you know that Goebbels Campbell, having resigned as the Number 10 Media & Communications Adviser on a Friday [salary £120,000 or thereabouts per annum of yours and my money], turned up to the office on Monday morning as an 'Unofficial Adviser' [Consultancy fee ??p.a. of yours and my etc. etc.]

 

I wonder if he claimed his Consultancy fees from Tone during his successful tour down-under as Media Adviser to the British Lions? Another unblemished success. I'd love to have heard his team talk to t'lads prior to the Otago match, or whichever it was. ["It's an odd-shaped ball but I'm sure you guys know what to do with it. England expects....oops sorry chaps...the folks back home want to see that fighting spirit that conquored the world and established the Empire....oops sorry chaps....Remember Bannockburn.... err... Cromwell's march through ...oops. Tone says good luck and stand by for the Reception at Number 10 if you win and capture the hearts and secure the votes of 4 countries."

 

More accurately, I'd love to have been in the room for the 10 minutes or so after he left it.

 

Sigh.

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From your comment we may see Tony Bliars biggest win being the death throes of all those true red social minded socialist, I always respected them for their conviction but could not agree on their basic means of raising the cash for all those good concerns

After "New Labour" what should the evolving labour party call itself?

"opportunist Co-operative" maybe

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I'm fine, pabird, trust you are too. Quite agree about the over -65s, though they're probably soon to be over 67s then over 70s - I fear they're moving the retirement age up faster than I can catch up with it! I would not describe a decent pension as a handout, nor as a reward (as after all they were only working for a wage for themselves, not to build a better Britain) but the practice of a fair and balanced civilization providing an income for those for whom paid work is no longer appropriate. Surely it is reasonable for everyone to look forward to enjoying a pleasant and well-earned retirement, hopefully with the good health to be able to enjoy it? No they should not have to apply for supplementary benefits, as I say the pension should be adequate in the first place.

 

To be honest pabird, my answer to your question is that I haven't the faintest idea, but I don't think they can, want or need to! I fear that British politics are no longer based on ideology, but simply the desire to win at all costs, with the cult of the personality prevailing into the bargain. This applies to all mainstream parties - even the good old Lib Dems, who used to have so many admirable policies, seem to have sold out and are joining the sordid scrap - privatise the Royal Mail indeed!

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(as after all they were only working for a wage for themselves, not to build a better Britain)

Not what they were told Invis, they were told that the money paid as NI would ensure an acceptable level of income on retirement, not that those struggling on the basic pensionwould have to complete an Incomprehensible form or two to gain one of Mr Browns Hand-outs to survive

There has never been a more vicious party in power in dealing with its senior citizens, dignity is for the rich which must be one of the saddest reflections on where Brown and Bliar have taken socialism in the UK

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