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King Carlos

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All extremely good ideas in isolation. BUT, if the team is not producing 'moderate' results, new fans will not be interested in joining the flock. It is that dreadful 'chicken and egg' scenario.

I am not suggesting the Club speculates running at a financial loss, but at present the resources we have, albeit IMO worse than last season, are not producing the results. I do not blame the players as I happen to think last Saturday they were excellent. I the think the blame lies elsewhere.

For what it is worth I am bringing 3 and half new persons on Saturday hoping to see us lift off ! So thats an extra £ 35.

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Surely we need to attract younger supporters why not contact all the local schools, junior football clubs, youth groups such as cubs, scouts etc and offer free group entry on a rotational basis with a follow up package of reduced prize entry.

We must have a data base from the participants of Ian Dockers Football in the Community Scheme why not offer those boys and girls who obviously have an interest in GNFC incentives to come along.

Why not target KIds for A Quid during school holiday times.

The potential is obviously there remember 4098 at Canvey and the 7000 we took to Villa. I know these were exceptional high profile games but we attracted big crowds for several of the lower profile cup games such as Plucky Cinderford.

I am glad to see we are now running more competitions in the Reporter to increase profile.
What about introducing a Junior Fleet Membership article in the Reporter similar to the Mcdonalds junior club article with competitions and weekly/monthly offers.

These are just a few suggestions I have many more up my sleeve .

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Firstly I'd like to say that I honestly believe that Gravesend is a footballing town. As someone pointed out above, when the circumstances are right (Canvey & Villa), people will come out to watch the fleet en masse. The amount of excitement generated around in town's pub's before and during England internationals only adds to this theory.

Most of my mates who's are in their twenties and early thirties all support Premiership and League sides and attend matches as regularly as finances allow. Unfortunately due to the large amounts of television revenue Premiership clubs now receive many clubs turned their backs on the paying fan, who actually considers watching football as a lot more that staring at a television set in the comfort of their own homes.

This situation needs to be capitalised on by the club. I know for a fact that there a great many people in a similar situation as my mates who with a little bit of effort will soon be boosting attendance figures and club funds.

Someone also mentioned a database containing fans details. Is there any such database in place at the moment? How much would it cost to begin and maintain such records of Gravesend supporters? The reason I'm asking, is because as we know advertising funds are in short supply so they must be used wisely. Information needs to be collected on Pubs that have advertised for the fleet in the past, and supporters that are more likely to attend matches. If ever the situation arises where more flyers need to be printed and distributed, it would benefit us if we had a bit of knowledge on who to target and who not to waste funds on.

Sorry if it's a bit vague, I'm working at the moment and it's a bit rushed. Any comments?

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There may be problems with the useage of the database idea in general as it will fall under the Data Protection Act. which in the end may cause more work, consequently being counter-productive. However, the sentiments contained therein are not dissimilar to what is already happening in the Supporters Trust Committee. If there could be a database of volunteers, then that may be diferent. I'm not too hot on the relevent legislation here so maybe someone can comment.

Like you, Carlos, the vast majority of people I know support Premiership clubs and one just has to look at the geography of Gravesham & London to see what ALL local clubs are up against. My local pub is trying to be a 'Fleet' pub, as much as it can be, but often away supporters outnumber us 3-1 largely due to it's inclusion in the National Good Beer Guide. Many of the local inhabitants are interested in how we get on but are reluctant to come to a game which to me seems odd as most live within a 2 minute walk of the ground. They'd rather go shopping or watch Arsenal on the telly, which seems even stranger. There seems to be a natural apathy in the area regarding the local club that no amount of advertising, coverage or coaxing (especially from myself) can cure. On the day we won the Ryman, many people in the local pubs that night didn't even know we were playing! It seems there is more support growing from further afield including the Medway towns and even a couple from Dartford, which is rather curious. Maybe a few good results and a high profile cup run will encourage more local support. I agree with the schools idea.

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John, I understand where your coming from with the 'natural apathy towards the fleet thing'. On numerous occasions last season, the handful of so fleet fans which I attend matches with would meet in our local for a drink before the game. If ever we suggested to the non-fleet fans in the pub that they tag along to Stonebridge Road with us, it would usually be greeted with laughter or a mocking response. It's pretty evident to me that a lot of local people don't even regard GNFC as 'their' local club, which is kind of sad.

I must admit, when I first started attending Fleet matches about 10 seasons ago, I didn't really regard the Fleet as 'my' team just an addition to 'my team in the Premiership'. I think a lot of people view the fleet in this light, they see it as though they can't watch the fleet because they already have 'their' team, and are not about to change. Ten years later though, and I can successfully juggle watching Fleet and my London club. This doesn't mean I support either any more or less, it just means in time I have built up a loyalty towards GNFC through matching matches which I never expected to develop in the early years.

I think that what we should all realise is that at this stage in our 'development', it would be unrealistic to try and prise the Spurs, Arsenal, or United shirts from people's backs - it's simply not going to happen, not yet anyway. We are not on a level footing to complete with the London clubs, but maybe we could offer an addition to their London club?

We may not have the Thierry Henry's or Ruud van Nistelrooy's but we do have other attributes, which if used correctly, may be useful in attracting and retaining support for the fleet. We need to offer more than ninety minutes of football, we need to offer an afternoon or evening of fun and enjoyment of children, youths and adults. This may sould far fetched, but I reckon it could be easier than people think. How we do this is open to much discussion and debate, which is why these forums are useful, and should be utilised for the benefit of all involved.

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Could we not improve match day mascots? Carry on with the beginning bit, you know the kids meet the players on the pitch before the game to have a kick about plus photos, then in the dressing room. Why can't we say, give them a signed football as well. Maybe the price might have to go up a bit, but you know its a big occasion for the youngster (especially the 5 to 9/10 yr olds).
Or even have a competition before the game like penalty shootout with maybe the reserve keeper.
I know the things might of been thought of but maybe if we can give it a go then what harm can it do?

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Or even have a competition before the game like penalty shootout with maybe the reserve keeper.


I think we need a club mascot of the costumed variety.
Then he can go in goal at half-time.

Seems to work at Burton Albion!

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Many of these ideas have been/are being discussed and I agree, we do need to make it more of a day out.There have been some issues raised regarding the pitch and the away team being entitled to use one half of the pitch for training etc before the game and during half-time. However, it's worked elsewhere, so why not. Any voluneers? Who'd like to see Super Daz in a bunny-suit and a tu-tu??!!

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So you should! Can't be worse than one suggestion I heard last year, though. To tie in with the local panto, someone wanted the 7 seven dwarves to lead the team out for the Xmas fixture against Margate!! (And please, no comments about about our strikers.....)

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Yeh ive seen the costumed mascots and I wrote into the club about becoming one (I would fund myself) but have had no reply. At most of the clubs I have been to (bar Leigh hahah) they have this and it gives it more of a family feeling and less of a grown up men type of game. If anyone knows who I could contact to see if the club would be intersted in having a mascot please let me know. Or if anyone who reads this forum coud make a decision on this that would be greatfully recived!!

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Seen a bit mentioned on here on Supporters Trust meetings. Just out of interest is there anymore arranged? If so can anyone supply a date? thanks.


There are monthly meetings of the Society Board

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Seen a bit mentioned on here on Supporters Trust meetings. Just out of interest is there anymore arranged? If so can anyone supply a date? thanks.


I believe there will be a Trust update in the Telford programne.

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Firstly I'd like to say that I honestly believe that Gravesend is a footballing town. As someone pointed out above, when the circumstances are right (Canvey & Villa), people will come out to watch the fleet en masse. The amount of excitement generated around in town's pub's before and during England internationals only adds to this theory.

Most of my mates who's are in their twenties and early thirties all support Premiership and League sides and attend matches as regularly as finances allow. Unfortunately due to the large amounts of television revenue Premiership clubs now receive many clubs turned their backs on the paying fan, who actually considers watching football as a lot more that staring at a television set in the comfort of their own homes.

This situation needs to be capitalised on by the club. I know for a fact that there a great many people in a similar situation as my mates who with a little bit of effort will soon be boosting attendance figures and club funds.


Well KC you have made an exetremely good point in regards to the state of footie today, and how we can look to increase our fanbase longterm.
Like yourself, out of the 9 or 10 guys I regulary attend the Fleet with , the story is pretty much the same. We spent our formative years on the Fleet terraces, but as soon as we were old enough we were all drawn upto the bright lights of London and we stood on the terraces of various London clubs. These teams were the ones that we followed and the Fleet were the team that we read about in the reporter and turned up to the important games for. Over the past 4 or 5 years, for varying reasons we have all started coming back down to the Fleet, some like myself for all games, others making appearances when their other team is away etc.. However, when we started going up to the top clubs, there was terracing ( so we could all stand together ), you could decide on the morning of the game whether you wanted to go or not, and if you did go the admission prices were still reasonable.
The above is a bit of a ramble, but I don't think that the kids of today have that choice. Expensive all seater stadium and the increasing popularity of footie amongst the 'prawn sandwich eating ' classes have put paid to that.
If we can get the 8 -13 age group interested in attending games at the Fleet now, there is a much greater chance that they will stay with us.
If they stay with us, they will then attract their friends and it grows from there. The Fleet will become the place they watch footie, and they will follow there other clubs in the papers and on TV.

A little speculation now, could go a very long way in building a brighter future.







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